Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[InVOLuntary]

So I'm thinking a cancelled season might be the best thing for recruiting.

Don't @ me.

 

[JCP201]

If not Freeze, the list will be something like the following:

1. Dave Doeren
2. Will Healy
3. Random ACC OC
4. Random Sunbelt head coach

Prove me wrong

Yes, we may as well keep Pruitt if we aren't going to get some one like Freeze. I am a loyal Vols fan, but.. It's getting old.

 

[Specks]

A 9.5 million reserve is nothing when you are on pace to lose 40 million this year. I said as much in my post above responding to Jake. Basically provided that example.

My link was the same year that you provided revenue in football. That’s why it was relevant.

If you think 9.5 million in reserve right now is sufficient, there’s not much else to discuss. They need big help from donors.

I’m with you on this. Hyams said earlier the total staff buyout was 20 million. Some of that could be mitigated but how much? If you release a few high paid assistants who is to say they don’t go work for a Belicheck for 50k yr? And then what?

Wiping the whole slate clean and starting over isn’t as easy as some make it out to be.

 

[Batman1948]

I don't really call it house cleaning. It's just rolling Pruitt down to DC, helping Ansley return to the NFL on his own, bringing in Freeze to replace both Pruitt and also to handle play calling since Cheney will retire. Other than that minor reshuffling we're just backfilling some assistants as they leave like you said. There, we've cleaned house without any public house cleaning. Just a nice neat orderly process and with Pruitt staying even the recruiting flows seamlessly.

I can't see any scenario where Pruitt remains on this staff as anything but a head coach. Why would he want to be the DC at Tennessee when he could be the DC at Bama and compete for a National Championship every year?

 

[Volator]

2018 was the numbers they had. They won’t have 2020 until next year.

UT had a deficit in 2018.

Deficit doesn’t mean they didn’t add to their reserves or transfer more money to the university. Without looking at a detailed p&l along with a balance sheet, there is no way to know. Give you an example, worked for a multi national and every year we added to or established reserves for future operations. While it reduced in-year earnings, it provided future flexibility.

 

[engineerVOL]

Oh. My. Gosh. You schmucks are brutal.

 

[Batman1948]

The Rpo game is where it's at these days in cfb.They put alot of pressure on defenses and create mismatches and make defenses play on their heels.

That's Joe Osovet's game. I would love for Pruitt to give Joe his chance to call plays.

 

[GojiraVol17]

That's Joe Osovet's game. I would love for Pruitt to give Joe his chance to call plays.

Osovet, Tee, Neidermeyer, and Ansley can stay on the new staff. Everything else, MUST GO

 

[VolGee4]

Deficit doesn’t mean they didn’t add to their reserves or transfer more money to the university. Without looking at a detailed p&l along with a balance sheet, there is no way to know. Give you an example, worked for a multi national and every year we added to or established reserves for future operations. While it reduced in-year earnings, it provided future flexibility.

I’m not in the financial industry but wouldn’t think they would take a 6.5 million deficit by adding to reserves. I get your point though.

However, at best, they have 10-15 million in reserves, going to lose roughly 30+ million in revenue this year, and would have to pay roughly 20+ million in buyouts and new salaries. Some of that would be deferred, but I don’t believe it’s as easy as people are suggesting. A lot of things would go into those tough decisions.

 

[VOLSONLY]

Its simple... Think of Tennessee Football as a business because it is.... Name of the game is make money.. sometimes, you have to spend a little money to make a lot of money..

If you hire Freeze, I guarantee there's 102,455 butts in the seats on opening day, donations will soar through the roof, etc..

If you trot JP and JG out there, will 60k be there?

Make the investment, and let the fans/boosters/whoever reward you for it.

FIFY

 

[Devo182]

With the exception of Niedermeyer, Osovet, Tee, and maybe Graham, Pruitt has made some really bad assistant hires.

Maybe the bifgest concern of all. If the modern HC is to merely be a CEO type - then he has to be able to make the right hires - the smartest and brightest and not be afraid that they are better/smarter than the leader himself - then LET those people manage and work on their own.

You also have to be capable of being a leader that others want to work for and building a team they want to be a part of. I don't see any of this.

How many great HCs are complete harda**es that are hard to work for? I get Saban is and he's the prototype people uphold to justify it, but others? Belichick, Urban, Dabo, Bob Stoops, Pete Carroll, Spurrier, etc. Maybe some are, idk.

 

[franklinpence]

Cheers folks.

 

[Girth Brooks]

I’m with you on this. Hyams said earlier the total staff buyout was 20 million. Some of that could be mitigated but how much? If you release a few high paid assistants who is to say they don’t go work for a Belicheck for 50k yr? And then what?

Wiping the whole slate clean and starting over isn’t as easy as some make it out to be.

It’s better than losing 10s of millions in one fiscal year—which is what ‘21 is shaping up for—effectively washing the ~$20 million and completely removing the possibility of lingering ramifications arising from holding on for too long. We’ve had a penchant for being a year late and a dollar short for years, and it’s time they quit trying to decipher tea leaves and read the graffiti scrawled on the side of Neyland-Thompson Sports Complex. Stated another way, if you’re getting your teeth kicked in, you either cover up, retaliate, or continue to take the beating. We are unequivocally doing the latter. I said it weeks ago and others have echoed it, but it’s simple: What will be done inevitably must be done immediately.

 

[VOLSONLY]

Don't @ me.

@InVOLuntary

 

[VOLSONLY]

I can't see any scenario where Pruitt remains on this staff as anything but a head coach. Why would he want to be the DC at Tennessee when he could be the DC at Bama and compete for a National Championship every year?

Yep Pruitt doing DC only at Tennessee under another coach? Will never happen

 

[Blake25p]

Just popping in to say I wish we were playing tomorrow, we only get a certain amount of games to watch a year so I’d rather us loose than not watch at all. As a Vol fan we’ve been through so much no reason to turn our back on them now.

 

[Devo182]

Deficit doesn’t mean they didn’t add to their reserves or transfer more money to the university. Without looking at a detailed p&l along with a balance sheet, there is no way to know. Give you an example, worked for a multi national and every year we added to or established reserves for future operations. While it reduced in-year earnings, it provided future flexibility.

? They reduced taxable profits by throwing pre-earnings money into a "reserve"? Odd. All companies keep cash-equivalent assets, but they are taxes first as earnings, as they were earned profits. But for an MNC, taxed abroad, who knows what weird laws or tax shields, tax inversion scheme, or...tax avoidance could occur. I don't see a university/AD being able to report in such a way...claiming deficits while they are stuffing reserves.

Normally companies just pay tax on profits, take the excess and reinvest or pay dividends. In times of uncertainty, maybe stick it in cash equivalents (money markets, etc) to sit for awhile.

 

[The Dog]

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So is this the 1920's version of Karen?

The Mom on "The Goldberg's" is the ultimate yenta and it's still a thing, today. But not as bad as a Karen, more like a gossip, imo

 

[VOLSONLY]

Just popping in to say I wish we were playing tomorrow, we only get a certain amount of games to watch a year so I’d rather us loose than not watch at all. As a Vol fan we’ve been through so much no reason to turn our back on them now.

The only thing I was looking forward to was getting to see HB, other than that meh

 

[Specks]

It’s better than losing 10s of millions in one fiscal year—which is what ‘21 is shaping up for—effectively washing the ~$20 million and mitigating any lingering ramifications arising because of their refusal to act. We’ve had a penchant for being a year late and a dollar short for years now, and it’s time they quit trying to decipher tea leaves and read the graffiti scrawled on the side of Neyland-Thompson Sports Complex. Stated another way, if you’re getting your teeth kicked in, you either cover up, retaliate, or continue to take the beating. We are unequivocally doing the latter. I said it weeks ago and others have echoed it, but it’s simple: What will be done inevitably must be done immediately.

And what if COVID is still here next fall and they can only seat 20%? This is the wildcard that a lot of people are leaving out.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

Recruiting dead period extended all the way to April 15.

 

[Jack Burton]

Err Arky beat us by 11...at home...and that's with us wasting 4 possessions with Maurer netting all of 20 yards. Had JG not been injured, Shrout traveled, or maybe HB been qb2, we had a real shot.

Not picking on you but none of that makes me feel better. We’re talking Tennessee football in year 3 vs Arkansas in year 1 of a first time HC. It’s just beyond explaining now.

 

[The Dog]

Not picking on you but none of that makes me feel better. We’re talking Tennessee football in year 3 vs Arkansas in year 1 of a first time HC. It’s just beyond explaining now.

Simple, imo. The Hogs had a lot better QB than UT does and they made halftime adjustments, apparently we didn't. Doesn't matter what year the head coaches are in, those 2 things will win u a lot of games against teams like UT

 

[yourstruly23]

I can't see any scenario where Pruitt remains on this staff as anything but a head coach. Why would he want to be the DC at Tennessee when he could be the DC at Bama and compete for a National Championship every year?

Is it even possible? If he quits, we don't owe anything i would assume

 

[Smokeytom]

I can't see any scenario where Pruitt remains on this staff as anything but a head coach. Why would he want to be the DC at Tennessee when he could be the DC at Bama and compete for a National Championship every year?

The people who think bringing in a new HC and keeping Pruitt on as DC is an actual possibility are high AF. Like Jerry Garcia circa 1967 high.