Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[chavisut]

@franklinpence did the Sunderland fan’s struggles not hit so close to home as a Vols fan?

 

[drvenner]

USA today tried to make a story out of it in 2017 and found nothing

Believe what you want

 

[rjd970]

104.5 referring to the issues at briarcrest that might come out if Freeze was hired. Something I have mentioned here

Until/if allegations are proven I honestly couldn’t give a ****. He denied all wrongdoing and all allegations and Briarcrest said they were not aware of any wrongdoing. No charges were ever brought.

If he is a POS and it is proven that is one thing. If it is just allegations of wrongdoing then he gets the benefit of the doubt.

Until proven otherwise, bring the winner on board and let’s go.

 

[jakez4ut]

If it is true, then it is disturbing. No evidence it is true or not, either way. It was more than one student who made these types of claims.

to play devil's advocate, and why this is a road i don't think our decision makers want to go down....we rioted against Schiano because of 3rd party testimony that was never verified by anyone.

what's the difference?

we think HF can coach, GS can't....which i'm cool with lol. but you can't say "it doesn't matter" about one guy, but it does on the other...(not saying you're doing that, just a general comment).

 

[Volator]

I have mentioned them as well. It was a long time ago, but they will be resurrected if he gets hired here.

Address them in the press conference and move on. Story for maybe 15 minutes in today’s culture. 104.5 is not Vol friendly as most (if not all) their hosts care about the Houston titans.

 

[Jimmy Football]

i didn't say you were wrong on that front.

but to them, the risk outweighs the potential reward...by a lot i'd imagine. see i think we're kinda hamstrung on this simply because of how we did the Schiano deal.

to say it'd be a challenge to overcome the hypocrite outcry would be an uderstatement. could it be? sure. but that dude, hugh freeze, would need to win a lot, quickly....and keep his nose squeaky clean.

and as we've learned with guys like Bruce Pearl, it's hard for leopards to change their spots.

we can all be for Hugh Freeze. hell i'm for Hugh Freeze.....

it ain't happening.

I don’t think we’ll hire him either. SC would if they were smart.

Auburn will, if they have an opening. And he’ll win there. And no one will care about his past once it happens.

And there we’ll be, trading McGoogle for another McGoogle, wondering why we once again passed on the obvious choice.

 

[rjd970]

I think Boosters have met with Fulmer. I think they told him that if Pruitt loses to Vanderbilt then both him and Pruitt are gone. Fulmer bought some time for both of them.

If this happened the program is done for. Beating a winless Vandy team should never be the standard.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Lol
now 104.5 talking about the hypocrisy of tenn fans wanting freeze and not wanting GS

So lets see, someone who saw a child being raped in the shower by a grown man and did nothing vs a guy who cheated on his wife.......

There is evidence that Jerry Sandusky committed these crimes, testimony that GS saw it and did nothing.

There is no evidence Freeze committed crimes at BC, no testimony, no nothing

 

[drvenner]

to play devil's advocate, and why this is a road i don't think our decision makers want to go down....we rioted against Schiano because of 3rd party testimony that was never verified by anyone.

what's the difference?

we think HF can coach, GS can't....which i'm cool with lol. but you can't say "it doesn't matter" about one guy, but it does on the other...(not saying you're doing that, just a general comment).

I think that could definitely be in play. Bruin said they are already talking about it on the radio in Knoxville. People think it's easy to go and hire Freeze, but all of these things have to be considered.

 

[jakez4ut]

I don’t think we’ll hire him either. SC would if they were smart.

Auburn will, if they have an opening. And he’ll win there. And no one will care about his past once it happens.

And there we’ll be, trading McGoogle for another McGoogle, wondering why we once again passed on the obvious choice.

i think Gus is safe. USCe, well i'd be a little surprised if he went there at this point.

and i full expect pruitt back next year.....

Hugh will be at Liberty most likely and he'll lose 6 or 7 games and the shine will wear off.....

jmo.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Believe what you want

Is there evidence or sworn testimony saying he did these things?

 

[drvenner]

Address them in the press conference and move on. Story for maybe 15 minutes in today’s culture. 104.5 is not Vol friendly as most (if not all) their hosts care about the Houston titans.

Yes, you address them. It will be longer than 15 minutes because the anti-Vol twitter mob will be all over it.

 

[jakez4ut]

I think that could definitely be in play. Bruin said they are already talking about it on the radio in Knoxville. People think it's easy to go and hire Freeze, but all of these things have to be considered.

yep.

 

[rjd970]

what's so Lol about it? that'd be a real thing.

What? How are the situations similar at all? One was named in a deposition in a real trial where a pedo was sentenced...the other is the subject of rumors for which there is no proof or charges.

 

[drvenner]

Is there evidence or sworn testimony saying he did these things?

I said that there is no evidence either way. Not sure what you are trying to prove. He was never charged, nor arrested. I do find it compelling it was more than one person making the types of allegations that were made.

The same kind of questions I am asking are the same types of ones our AD will have to answer if he hires him.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

Is there evidence or sworn testimony saying he did these things?

People get away with doing bad things all the time.

 

[Catbone]

You sir are CORRECT! He is the best thing that has ever happened to US. But his hands are tied to an extent also. He knows what it takes in today landscape and if we don’t drastically change our approach, we won’t ever be more than below average to average.

Sometimes I wonder... Why should we be even be fans when the people running the ship don't really care or are complete idiots? Let the program sink into irrelevance. Empty Neyland.

 

[Jimmy Football]

i think Gus is safe. USCe, well i'd be a little surprised if he went there at this point.

and i full expect pruitt back next year.....

Hugh will be at Liberty most likely and he'll lose 6 or 7 games and the shine will wear off.....

jmo.

Yeah, I probably should have put “would” instead of “will” regarding Auburn. Gus will make it this year.

Disagree on Hugh. His stock will continue to rise.

 

[DustyRockSolid]

It doesn't matter. If they fire Pruitt, they certainly won't hire a great coach. Might as well get used to it or find a new team. Tennessee will never be great.

 

[jakez4ut]

Is there evidence or sworn testimony saying he did these things?

i don't think that ever made it to court.

but even the testimony against GS was 3rd person. never verified.

which is the same with teh briarcrest deal.

two dudes "accused" for lack of a better term, of fairly despicalbe things....and there's no actual proof either ever participated.

but we're cool with hiring one, not the other......

that's gonna be a problem lol. sworn testimony or not, it will have nothing to do with the narrative that would get shoved down our throats. so if you make that call, you better be read to deal with that, and have some iron clad assurances a) nothing happens ever again and b) there's nothing left in that closet that could come back and bite.

 

[BruinVol]

So lets see, someone who saw a child being raped in the shower by a grown man and did nothing vs a guy who cheated on his wife.......

There is evidence that Jerry Sandusky committed these crimes, testimony that GS saw it and did nothing.

There is no evidence Freeze committed crimes at BC, no testimony, no nothing

What’s worse knowing a sexual crime is being committed or actually committing a sexual crime?

 

[Volsfaninva917]

People get away with doing bad things all the time.

This is true but it's not what you know its what you can prove...............

Hugh Freeze is a grade A POS but this is the low Tennessee is going to have to sink to in order to get back to being a dominant force in the SEC.

Question is, is Tennessee ready to make a deal with the devil?

 

[Volsfaninva917]

What’s worse knowing a sexual crime is being committed or actually committing a sexual crime?

You have proof he did this?

 

[jakez4ut]

What? How are the situations similar at all? One was named in a deposition in a real trial where a pedo was sentenced...the other is the subject of rumors for which there is no proof or charges.

really? you can't see the narrative already forming? you think that narrative gets shut down because one is in a deposition and the other isn't?

ok..

 

[jakez4ut]

You have proof he did this?

there's no proof either way in either case.