Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[bignewt]

Not if he loses to Vandy, imo.

Regardless. The buyout combined with the loss in revenue prohibits a move this year. I know I am raining on the flight tracker parade but it's the reality we are living in right now.

 

[KPT_VFL]

Me.

 

[KPT_VFL]

Hypothetical: Freeze is hired.

Which Freeze Champion poster is first to turn on him when he
A. Doesn’t win more than 6 games by year 3

OR

B. Gets UT in huge trouble and sanctioned by NCAA?

Go.

Me.

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

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Someone posted his college and NFL records earlier. Here's his college record again. Would one of you all explain to me why Doug Marrone is a great hire?

It's Syracuse. They haven't been nationally relevant since McNabb left. Babers has had some success but has fallen back to Earth. It's just a tough place to win. Those 2 8-5 seasons were quite the accomplishment considering the absolutely horrible years that preceded Marrone's arrival.

 

[Dooby15]

I remember having a discussion with you about Pruitt - I think it was in the middle of the season last year, maybe during the win streak.

We kinda went back and forth on whether or not you or I would bet that Pruitt ever wins the SEC here. You seemed confident that he would luck into one, even if it came as a down year for Alabama, Florida and Georgia.

I was less optimistic - and not necessarily because I thought Pruitt couldn't do it. But because I know how tough it is to win this division and this conference at Tennessee.

We're a historical brand - that's for sure. But in the last 40 years, we've only won the conference 5 times. We've won the division 6 times in 28 years.

So while you say you are SURE Hugh Freeze would get us to that level, I would push back and say there are very few coaches in the country that would be a sure bet given the fact that Florida and Georgia have clear and overwhelming advantages over us as a program, and we have to play Alabama every year.

So, you say you're willing to risk it all (in regards to either NCAA violations or the embarrassment a guy like Hugh Freeze could bring) on a sure thing, however, I am arguing, with historical precedent on my side, that Freeze is not a sure thing. And we don't get back to a position of relevance with a quick fix, dirty recruiting, thumbing our nose at the SEC hire.

You seem certain that Freeze can’t learn from mistakes and turn his life around. Also, what he’s doing at Liberty is unmistakable. Taking a lot less and doing more with it. That’s what we need.

 

[KPT_VFL]

@Bassmaster_Vol and I would have this coaching search already done and Freeze in Orange by Christmas Day.

 

[Catbone]

I’m so tired of hearing this. Our roster is fine. We have everything that we need to be successful except a competent head coach. So let’s either go and get one or hope that Pruitt figures it out. But there is nothing at Tn keeping the football team from being successful on the field

We have a roster to go 8-4 almost every year.

 

[MrVolton]

You seem certain that Freeze can’t learn from mistakes and turn his life around. Also, what he’s doing at Liberty is unmistakable. Taking a lot less and doing more with it. That’s what we need.

This should be the number 1 prerequisite for our next HC.

 

[BruinVol]

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Someone posted his college and NFL records earlier. Here's his college record again. Would one of you all explain to me why Doug Marrone is a great hire?

Syracuse is a worse program than ole miss or miss state and NFL head coaching experience usually translates into real success in college

 

[JohnnyD1024]

Hugh Freeze has probably learned from his past mistakes just like Bruce Pearl has learned from his.

 

[Kingston Vol]

So, I decided to look back and see how Hugh Freeze compared to his predecessor at Ole Miss. I couldn't even remember who the coach was - turns out it was Houston Nutt.

I figured Freeze coached laps around him - that's how it sits in my memory, anyway.

Freeze at Ole Miss: 39-25 .609
Nutt at Ole Miss: 24-26 .480

The big difference is that it all fell apart for Nutt in his last season. 2-10 before getting fired. Nutt was 9-4 and 9-4 his first two years, way better than I remembered.

Anyway, the conclusion I've come to is that Freeze was definitely a better coach than Nutt, and the record reflects that pretty clearly. But he wasn't clearly better than the top level that Nutt and others have reached at that program in the last 20 years. Freeze won 10 games once, Nutt won 9 games twice, Cutcliffe won 10 games there in 2003.

What I've decided is, Tennessee fans in particular, have inflated Freeze's standing because of the fear he induced in us by recruiting so well in the state. We remember the battles won vs. Butch and how irritated it made us.

We also remember the wins over Saban - because we've not come close to it since Kiffin in '09.

Is he a better coach than Derek Dooley, Butch Jones (who ironically had a pretty similar record in his time at UT as Freeze at Ole Miss 34-27) and Jeremy Pruitt? That's not debatable. He cleary is.

Is he this world-beating, sure-fire SEC winner that Tennessee should hire and ignore all the obvious issues in the process? Nope.

 

[Geronimo]

I hate it as much as anyone. I remember when Saturday rolled around, the mindset was not “can we win?” It was “how much will we win by?”. Losing was a very foreign concept.

The truth (which has been stated before) is that no established, proven coach wants to be here; at least not in the current state.
There is a power struggle amongst boosters, the Academic side is apathetic to the Athletics, Fans are so impatient (warranted) and give no grace, and talent is harder to come by (though in-state talent is vastly improved) than rival schools.

All we can hope for is lightning in a bottle. We are NOT the Tennessee of the 90s.

 

[KPT_VFL]

So, I decided to look back and see how Hugh Freeze compared to his predecessor at Ole Miss. I couldn't even remember who the coach was - turns out it was Houston Nutt.

I figured Freeze coached laps around him - that's how it sits in my memory, anyway.

Freeze at Ole Miss: 39-25 .609
Nutt at Ole Miss: 24-26 .480

The big difference is that it all fell apart for Nutt in his last season. 2-10 before getting fired. Nutt was 9-4 and 9-4 his first two years, way better than I remembered.

Anyway, the conclusion I've come to is that Freeze was definitely a better coach than Nutt, and the record reflects that pretty clearly. But he wasn't clearly better than the top level that Nutt and others have reached at that program in the last 20 years. Freeze won 10 games once, Nutt won 9 games twice, Cutcliffe won 10 games there in 2003.

What I've decided is, Tennessee fans in particular, have inflated Freeze's standing because of the fear he induced in us by recruiting so well in the state. We remember the battles won vs. Butch and how irritated it made us.

We also remember the wins over Saban - because we've not come close to it since Kiffin in '09.

Is he a better coach than Derek Dooley, Butch Jones (who ironically had a pretty similar record in his time at UT as Freeze at Ole Miss 34-27) and Jeremy Pruitt? That's not debatable. He cleary is.

Is he this world-beating, sure-fire SEC winner that Tennessee should hire and ignore all the obvious issues in the process? Nope.

Shut up. You want Tee Martin who is 0-0. So kiss all of our asses.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

So, I decided to look back and see how Hugh Freeze compared to his predecessor at Ole Miss. I couldn't even remember who the coach was - turns out it was Houston Nutt.

I figured Freeze coached laps around him - that's how it sits in my memory, anyway.

Freeze at Ole Miss: 39-25 .609
Nutt at Ole Miss: 24-26 .480

The big difference is that it all fell apart for Nutt in his last season. 2-10 before getting fired. Nutt was 9-4 and 9-4 his first two years, way better than I remembered.

Anyway, the conclusion I've come to is that Freeze was definitely a better coach than Nutt, and the record reflects that pretty clearly. But he wasn't clearly better than the top level that Nutt and others have reached at that program in the last 20 years. Freeze won 10 games once, Nutt won 9 games twice, Cutcliffe won 10 games there in 2003.

What I've decided is, Tennessee fans in particular, have inflated Freeze's standing because of the fear he induced in us by recruiting so well in the state. We remember the battles won vs. Butch and how irritated it made us.

We also remember the wins over Saban - because we've not come close to it since Kiffin in '09.

Is he a better coach than Derek Dooley, Butch Jones (who ironically had a pretty similar record in his time at UT as Freeze at Ole Miss 34-27) and Jeremy Pruitt? That's not debatable. He cleary is.

Is he this world-beating, sure-fire SEC winner that Tennessee should hire and ignore all the obvious issues in the process? Nope.

You're right. Let's hire Tee instead. That would be a genius move.

 

[HankHill]

Regardless. The buyout combined with the loss in revenue prohibits a move this year. I know I am raining on the flight tracker parade but it's the reality we are living in right now.

The revenue loss this year is kind of irrelevant because you’re not going to make that back immediately anyway. It’s about sitting yourself up to exceed your “normal” expectations the next handful of years. It will be far worse to take another down year next year when you could be gaining that loss back.

 

[BAJAvol]

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Someone posted his college and NFL records earlier. Here's his college record again. Would one of you all explain to me why Doug Marrone is a great hire?

He’s not

 

[MrVolton]

Pruitt has had 3 classes to find players at the most important positions. That’s been his biggest failure. QB, Edge/OLB, OT, DT, Are the money positions. Look at the production we are getting from his classes there.

2018:
JJ Peterson
Emerson
Jordan Allen
Emmit goodin
Shrout
Mincey
Garland
Kingston harris
Antonunitti
Carvin

2019:
Wright
Morris
Crouch
Savion Williams
Maurer
Middleton
Simmons
Akporoghene

There’s some ok production in that list but a lot of nothing.

2020 appears to have some decent pieces but not sure there’s a real difference maker at any of those positions yet. Maybe they are but it’s still too early either way.

I think part of that is that Pruitt shot for the moon with a few 5 stars, and it’s not that there is anything wrong with that, but by putting all the eggs in those guys’ baskets and striking out, he ended up having to take some much lower rates guys late.

 

[Kingston Vol]

You're right. Let's hire Tee instead. That would be a genius move.

There are plenty of coaches I would hire before Tee, you know that, and I have laid them out clearly for scrutiny.

 

[Catbone]

He’s recruited well. Best players on this team are freshman and sophomores.

None of which were really able to be developed this offseason.

But again, Gump bad. Freeze or I’m done!!!!

Lol keep defending your boy. He sucks.

 

[chavisut]

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[snowvols]

So, I decided to look back and see how Hugh Freeze compared to his predecessor at Ole Miss. I couldn't even remember who the coach was - turns out it was Houston Nutt.

I figured Freeze coached laps around him - that's how it sits in my memory, anyway.

Freeze at Ole Miss: 39-25 .609
Nutt at Ole Miss: 24-26 .480

The big difference is that it all fell apart for Nutt in his last season. 2-10 before getting fired. Nutt was 9-4 and 9-4 his first two years, way better than I remembered.

Anyway, the conclusion I've come to is that Freeze was definitely a better coach than Nutt, and the record reflects that pretty clearly. But he wasn't clearly better than the top level that Nutt and others have reached at that program in the last 20 years. Freeze won 10 games once, Nutt won 9 games twice, Cutcliffe won 10 games there in 2003.

What I've decided is, Tennessee fans in particular, have inflated Freeze's standing because of the fear he induced in us by recruiting so well in the state. We remember the battles won vs. Butch and how irritated it made us.

We also remember the wins over Saban - because we've not come close to it since Kiffin in '09.

Is he a better coach than Derek Dooley, Butch Jones (who ironically had a pretty similar record in his time at UT as Freeze at Ole Miss 34-27) and Jeremy Pruitt? That's not debatable. He cleary is.

Is he this world-beating, sure-fire SEC winner that Tennessee should hire and ignore all the obvious issues in the process? Nope.

Didn't Nutt have a pretty loaded team his first two years from Orgerons recruiting? I remember he was doing pretty well pulling players into there.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Didn't Nutt have a pretty loaded team his first two years from Orgerons recruiting? I remember he was doing pretty well pulling players into there.

For sure. And I think Nutt was a fine recruiter in his own regard.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

It's Syracuse. They haven't been nationally relevant since McNabb left. Babers has had some success but has fallen back to Earth. It's just a tough place to win. Those 2 8-5 seasons were quite the accomplishment considering the absolutely horrible years that preceded Marrone's arrival.

I was reading his wikipedia page and it looks like he screwed the Bills over when he left them and he's not really had many winning seasons as a head coach, college or pro. The Jaguars are 1-9 right now, but I've not saw the Jaguars play in years.


Was his Syracuse teams fun to watch? How was his recruiting at Syracuse? I'm just curious, because they're seems to be several in here that really like him.

 

[MarcoVol]

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Someone posted his college and NFL records earlier. Here's his college record again. Would one of you all explain to me why Doug Marrone is a great hire?

Lol I’d rather hire Greg Schiano than Doug Marrone

 

[TN-POSSUM]

Syracuse is a worse program than ole miss or miss state and NFL head coaching experience usually translates into real success in college

Like Herm Edwards and Lovie Smith?

*Is the thinking that Doug Marrone could be the next Pete Carroll?