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m1al said:
Disagree, you have to play defense. If florida doesn't play solid D and get a few stops this is not a game. If bama doesn't play solid D they don't win at the end.

Yes, the days of run, run, pass and DOMINATE D are a thing of the past. That said, you can't play Captain Leach ball either..

You have to have a solid D that doesn't give up too many freebies .
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Defense in this era boils down to a couple of things. Create as many negative plays as possible to stall drives and create turnovers. If you’re of the mind that you are going to shut other teams down, especially really good teams, you are living in an alternate reality. Score as many as you can on offense, create as many negative plays and turnovers as possible on defense.

But yes, you do have to play defense.
 
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csprig9 said:
So
Bama vs ND and
Clemson VS OSU

Same ****, different year
Playoffs have killed competition
Same three teams most of the years
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What really sad is if you hear guys like Danielson tonight and the other talking heads they are absolutely giddy about it.
 
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Devo182 said:
That is a worse position to be in, due to having the same information, but later than sooner. Basic information/game theory...in game decisions, information is more valuable the sooner you can get it.

Or the math:
Assume a 2 pt conv has a 50% success rate
Assume an XP has a 100% conversion rate

If you take the sequence of
XP (100%) THEN
2-pt conversion (50%)
Your odds of winning are 50%.

Rather, if you take the sequence of 2-pt conversion, THEN (2nd decision based on the 1st outcome), your odds of winning are 62.5%.

If you make the first 2-pointer (50%) then you kick the XP for the win on the 2nd td. If you miss the first 2-pointer, then you go for 2 again on the 2nd td, which, if made, then leads to a 50% chance of winning in OT (.5 * .5 * .5 = 12.5%). 25% of the time you lose outright in regulation by failing back to back conversions. 62.5% chance of winning in total. Much better than 50%.
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Yes!
 
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C-town Vol said:
Defense in this era boils down to a couple of things. Create as many negative plays as possible to stall drives and create turnovers. If you’re of the mind that you are going to shut other teams down, especially really good teams, you are living in an alternate reality. Score as many as you can on offense, create as many negative plays and turnovers as possible on defense.

But yes, you do have to play defense.
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Yes!
 
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I would love for OSU to get it an win the whole damn thing and finish the season with less wins than any other playoff team. The melt
And chaos would be glorious.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I don't blame people for being upset, and a move probably does need to be made, but destroying a guy by spreading inside knowledge or just garbage rumors that some are privy to just to accomplish getting him out quicker is disgusting, and all it does is scare other prospective coaches away....it would me.

I can imagine the thought.."If I don't do well enough, or piss the wrong people off, they will use what we have to do to compete against me to justify firing me".
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I mean...they could also have the thought "if I dont wanna do this anymore, I can just keep my nose clean and suck until they fire me and then sleep on my giant pile of money each night."
 
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C-town Vol said:
Defense in this era boils down to a couple of things. Create as many negative plays as possible to stall drives and create turnovers. If you’re of the mind that you are going to shut other teams down, especially really good teams, you are living in an alternate reality. Score as many as you can on offense, create as many negative plays and turnovers as possible on defense.

But yes, you do have to play defense.
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No, not shutdown. Solid D, minimize big plays and freebies, handful of negative plays (as you said), turnover or two. D that occasionally stall the other team and disrupts their flow.
 
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m1al said:
No, not shutdown. Solid D, minimize big plays and freebies, handful of negative plays (as you said), turnover or two. D that occasionally stall the other team and disrupts their flow.
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Problem is you can have a solid defense but if you don’t have an offensive creativity with your head coach or offensive staff, you’re toast. Pruitt never could manage an offense that was current. It’s why his defenses never had a chance which in turn made the roars of “wasn’t Pruitt some Defensive expert” run rampant.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I don't blame people for being upset, and a move probably does need to be made, but destroying a guy by spreading inside knowledge or just garbage rumors that some are privy to just to accomplish getting him out quicker is disgusting, and all it does is scare other prospective coaches away....it would me.

I can imagine the thought.."If I don't do well enough, or piss the wrong people off, they will use what we have to do to compete against me to justify firing me".
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It wouldn’t surprise me if Pruitt walked into Fulmers office shut the door and said some of my coaches crossed a line and Fulmer followed that with it’s ok I can make it go away.

If he’s not part of this he would have stepped aside already
 
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m1al said:
No, not shutdown. Solid D, minimize big plays and freebies, handful of negative plays (as you said), turnover or two. D that occasionally stall the other team and disrupts their flow.
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I wonder if someone is going to get really creative soon and think of an "outside the box" way to slow these offenses down. I feel many are still slowly transitioning away from being focused on stopping the run (Pruitt DEFINITELY is). These passing offenses are going nuts.

Will we see some "base dime" defenses? Quarters? Maybe something way more outside the box conceptually?

@HankHill is there anything on the horizon defenses are attempting or are 40 ppg offenses just going to be the new norm?
 
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