Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[JMSqb11]

ok, so you have two offers, that compare favorably with one another.

he chose what he believed to be the better situation.

that's the whole point. if $7m/year is the baseline, at what number does the situation matter less? $8m? $9m?

i don't know the answer to that...but $7m is a serious offer.

and with all things being equal.....FL was the choice. and to boot, we met with Mullen over that weekend FL was meeting with Kelly and Frost.....so he didn't have the offer from FL yet, and we didn't get the opportunity to counter. FL matched, and he took it.

A serious offer is the an offer that is unmatched. Florida and Tennessee basically offered the same money and length.

Tennessee was always. going to be behind Florida with Mullen if terms were the same.

What I'm saying is Tennessee did NOT offer anything serious enough to get Mullen to choose us. Like I said, if we would have been serious and wanted to stick it to Florida, we would have offered him money that would have been perceived as "overpaying" in the media, but deep down, it would have been worth it. Sticking it to Florida is worth a few million per year. Mullen guaranteeing Grantham as his DC would have been worth the money as well. In theory, we weren't just offering Mullen to be head coach. We were getting Mullen and Grantham as a package deal.

Tennessee never offered anything to make the job tilt in their favor. The only Tennessee offer to Mullen was virtually the same offer made by Florida.

 

[VolInDayton]

Reading some of the Auburn message boards and most dont seem to think Napier has been offered. He is the new leader, but Clark looks like he will get a 2nd interview.

Who is Clark?

 

[snowvols]

Who is Clark?

The UAB coach.

 

[LA Vol]

don't you think that only applies to a certain segment of the potential candidate list? i mean, if you're at a g5, 2nd tier type school, going from several hundred thousand-$1M/year to $3-4M+ a year is a big deal.

but as we've seen, once guys, and there are a lot of them now, that hit that benchmark, they don't necessarily leave for an extra $m/year or whatever.

situation, circumstance, recruiting, competition, administration, stability, rosters....there's a lot to it now, especially when the shelf life is 3 years these days.

we offered Gundy, what $6/7M/year last time around and he said no thanks.....now the guy at Coastal, would jump on that.,...or Napier or whatever....but to get a guy that we think is capable and able, that kind of money is available almost anywhere, and they can choose the situation or just stay where they are.

Mullen wanted FL. Kirby wanted UGA. as we already found out with Mullen, we weren't going to win that battle. so absent UF not ever offering him the job, we weren't going to get him.

I think a small number of guys are where they want to be. It's usually somewhere they have strong ties or deep roots-- and those schools usually pay to keep them, if they can. And the top tier guys can wait for the right opening, knowing the money will come, if it's a power program. The carousel has a lot upwardly mobile and move-arounders who'll follow the money. And then you have the agents, who're the puppetmasters pulling the strings to get attention for their guys so they can get a better contract whether they want to move or not.

Gundy has made a lot of money staying just where he wants to be.

 

[InstrumentalVol]

Oh my God we're going to keep him and lose 7 games next year aren't we

 

[MarcoVol]

Pruitt has lost 12 of his 26 SEC games by 21 points. That’s more than Dooley and butch combined I believe. This guy doesn’t compete. He beats reject teams. Dooley had to face a lot tougher competition and performed better on the field. Just came up short.

Dooley had some of the worst luck I’ve seen. Getting robbed twice his first season, lost beat and Hunter his second season, and lost Wilcox his third season and made one terrible hire

Year 1 Dooley (3-5 in SEC):
- lost to Oregon by 35
- lost to FL by 14
- lost to UGA by 27
- lost to Bama by 31
- lost to USCe by 14

Year 2 (1-7 in SEC)
- lost to LSU by 31
- lost to Bama by 31
- scored 3 points on mighty USCe
- lost to Ark by 42

Year 3 (1-7 in SEC):
- lost to FL by 17
- lost to Bama by 31
- lost to mighty Vandy by 23

 

[SpringBokVol]

We are all hurting enough. Can we please stop the Dooley , Pruitt, whoever else comparisons.

We all want a winning program again and none of them were capable. Period. End of argument.

Let’s focus on the future.

 

[jakez4ut]

I think a small number of guys are where they want to be. It's usually somewhere they have strong ties or deep roots-- and those schools usually pay to keep them, if they can. And the top tier guys can wait for the right opening, knowing the money will come, if it's a power program. The carousel has a lot upwardly mobile and move-arounders who'll follow the money. And then you have the agents, who're the puppetmasters pulling the strings to get attention for their guys so they can get a better contract whether they want to move or not.

Gundy has made a lot of money staying just where he wants to be.

Gundy is the easiest example we have simply due to the history, but i think once you get to the P5 conferences, of the guys that most of us would consider a home run hire, that group of coaches is in the position to choose, and money isn't the main thing anymore. that's all i was getting at.

i also realize that the # of coaches at G5 or lower tier P5 outnumber the other group, so upward mobility is still a thing.

just in terms of what gets discussed here as far as candidates go, that group of coaches isn't waiting around for someone to back up the brinks truck, so to speak.

 

[scvolfan7]

Year 1 Dooley (3-5 in SEC):
- lost to Oregon by 35
- lost to FL by 14
- lost to UGA by 27
- lost to Bama by 31
- lost to USCe by 14

Year 2 (1-7 in SEC)
- lost to LSU by 31
- lost to Bama by 31
- scored 3 points on mighty USCe
- lost to Ark by 42

Year 3 (1-7 in SEC):
- lost to FL by 17
- lost to Bama by 31
- lost to mighty Vandy by 23

Still not as many 21+ point losses as Pruitt. Plus all that year two stuff was without his top QB and WR

 

[engineerVOL]

Year 1 Dooley (3-5 in SEC):
- lost to Oregon by 35
- lost to FL by 14
- lost to UGA by 27
- lost to Bama by 31
- lost to USCe by 14

Year 2 (1-7 in SEC)
- lost to LSU by 31
- lost to Bama by 31
- scored 3 points on mighty USCe
- lost to Ark by 42

Year 3 (1-7 in SEC):
- lost to FL by 17
- lost to Bama by 31
- lost to mighty Vandy by 23

By golly, we are closing the gap. We just didn’t know he was talking about Doolander’s Vols.

 

[VolInDayton]

Year 1 Dooley (3-5 in SEC):
- lost to Oregon by 35
- lost to FL by 14
- lost to UGA by 27
- lost to Bama by 31
- lost to USCe by 14

Year 2 (1-7 in SEC)
- lost to LSU by 31
- lost to Bama by 31
- scored 3 points on mighty USCe
- lost to Ark by 42

Year 3 (1-7 in SEC):
- lost to FL by 17
- lost to Bama by 31
- lost to mighty Vandy by 23

Ended the longest win streak in college football with a lost to UK who had WR playing QB

 

[VolzMan53]

Fanbase is checking out.

This is not to be in disagreement but counter point. Those 4 words have been repeated for manyyyy years and yet We are one of the most devoted, or ignorant in some folks eyes, fan base bar none IMMHO ! That, among other things, is what pisses me off. The shakers know what the Big Orange faithful bring each and every year. Unless something does change, your 4 words may come true !

 

[jakez4ut]

A serious offer is the an offer that is unmatched. Florida and Tennessee basically offered the same money and length.

Tennessee was always. going to be behind Florida with Mullen if terms were the same.

What I'm saying is Tennessee did NOT offer anything serious enough to get Mullen to choose us. Like I said, if we would have been serious and wanted to stick it to Florida, we would have offered him money that would have been perceived as "overpaying" in the media, but deep down, it would have been worth it. Sticking it to Florida is worth a few million per year. Mullen guaranteeing Grantham as his DC would have been worth the money as well. In theory, we weren't just offering Mullen to be head coach. We were getting Mullen and Grantham as a package deal.

Tennessee never offered anything to make the job tilt in their favor. The only Tennessee offer to Mullen was virtually the same offer made by Florida.

we offered first. there was no FL offer at the time. FL made the SAME offer. and Mullen never even allowed us to counter.

that's a pretty definitive statement on what his preference was.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Free country. Anybody who feels the need to check out should do so.

Hope they don't have this attitude.

 

[Nuctech777]

Was always going to wait for the Florida job to be off the table...this board had no impact. Your hindsight needs calibration.

Hahahahaha I never said the hire fell through bc of what takes place on a message board. That would be asinine. Let me clarify, there were reports that he was a candidate and was listening. At that time, half the board was against him being hired. I think most of those people would change their stance in hindsight. Not saying we really had much of a chance, I misspoke there.

 

[Smokey123]

He was never coming here. So, no.

It was said in the email leak that Mullen was interested in the job and was talked with Currie and was supposed to meet with him and then Currie went ghost

 

[LA Vol]

Heck Illinois pays as much for a HC as we do.

You think the HC we have is worth more than we're paying? Or our OC? Or DC? UT is paying a lot of $$$ for underachievers. If they were overachievers, they'd be worth more.

 

[Weezer]

Why do I feel like the university just loves to give the finger to football fans?

 

[scvolfan7]

Ended the longest win streak in college football with a lost to UK who had WR playing QB

This year’s KY loss was far more embarrassing

 

[aRmo]

He’s gonna coach 2021. We are gonna lose out on Ty Simpson after we fire him. The pool of coaches isn’t gonna be different. But we will have no talent on the team again and it’s gonna be a rinse and repeat process. This administration can’t be more ignorant.

 

[butchna]

But if Kelly or frost don’t turn down Florida he is either here or still at miss state. I don’t think it’s fair to say he waited those two out. They chose those two over Mullen. He just got lucky they both said no.

When he was in play? It’s not only “fair” to say he waited for both to turn down the job...it’s FACTUAL. Want proof? Check to see who the Florida HC is. Your first sentence hints that you’re not even confident he leaves Mississippi State for us.

 

[BigOrangeFanatic]

We are all hurting enough. Can we please stop the Dooley , Pruitt, whoever else comparisons.

We all want a winning program again and none of them were capable. Period. End of argument.

Let’s focus on the future.

Wish I had the faith and confidence to focus on the future. We will repeat this process again with the next hire whenever that comes.

 

[SLICKYINC]

It was said in the email leak that Mullen was interested in the job and was talked with Currie and was supposed to meet with him and then Currie went ghost

Doesn’t change anything. Once Florida offered he was taking that job.

 

[BruinVol]

Who is Clark?

The man we need

 

[butchna]

Once again, Tennessee never made a serious offer that could compete with Florida for Mullen. This is fact. There was an offer to Mullen. This is fact. Mullen was either coming to Tennessee or Florida that offseason.

Just because you read a tweet saying otherwise doesn't make it any less true.

What was the EXACT offer that you don’t consider “serious”. Asking for the rest us not so privy.