Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[knoxswim890]

As tied in as Fulmer was (active participant) in recruiting if there's any inappropriate money or benefits etc it would be very difficult for Fulmer to claim ignorance. Dirt goes both ways and can lead to bigger issues with NCAA. If Pruitt wants to go he might negotiate an exit in that scenario but I've seen no indication from his side he'd be willing to do so.

Edit: and most importantly his contact.

I suppose it depends how you look at it and what gets dug up. If Fulmer is as tied in (real facts, very few know the extent), then the investigation will likely uncover it anyway. It would be a career torpedoing move to let this ride out for the sake of attempting to hold leverage. I’m not so sure “sweep-it-under-the-rug” is a valid option here. “Can’t fire me for cause because I have dirt” doesn’t hold water if they’re gonna expose the dirt anyway (or threaten to) and clean house as a result.

Given that, I’d presume UT actually has move leverage than Pruitt (and by that regard, Fulmer) if there’s more than meets the eye to the investigation.

Not saying you’re wrong, just that the nature and extent of the transgressions may depend who has leverage and why some folks (probably don’t know as much as they think they do) don’t think he will be able to survive this.

 

[UTK]

Man things really slowed down tonight.

Everyone in full give up mode!

AV left us hanging unless that meeting is really a hell of one and still going

 

[rjd970]

Man things really slowed down tonight.

Everyone in full give up mode!

I don’t blame anybody anymore. This is what it is. Just accept the fact that it will never change. I honestly don’t see us beating UF, UGA, and certainly not Bama any time in the near future. We are at the point where it is a good year to sweep Mizzou, KY, and Vandy.

Well done UT. Well done.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I’m not done, but if Pruitt’s back then I’m most definitely downgrading to “casual fan” and not planning my saturdays around football any more. To be honest, I’ve basically done that already. I just post on here because I enjoy the running convo about football, bbq, and how absurd it is that anyone things Lebron is better then MJ.

“Like” especially for the Lebron/MJ snippet.

 

[UTK]

Is not absurd to think Lebron is better than Jordan or the other way around. Two are very close. Anyone that thinks own is WAY better than the other are just nostalgic for whatever they grew up with lol.

 

[InstrumentalVol]

Nothing says excitement like having to completely cycle through your assistant staff to appease the fans for one of the worst seasons in school history in the HC's third year. Cut the cord, bring in Freeze and lets win some games.

 

[james_govols]

Chaney stays. Bobo will probably be the new QB coach.

South Carolina's 247 Insider Room said today that they believe Bobo will stay at UoSC.

 

[Rocky_Vol21]

 

[UTK]

Oh **** it's happening

 

[Skizer41]

They’re waiting on that investigation to wrap up to see how they need to proceed. That’s the subtext of all the Hubbs hedging tonight.

Agreed. However I don't think you have to wait for the conclusion of the investigation to fire, or negotiate a buyout with CJP. Even if you fire him and give him the full buyout I believe it could be revisited down the road. Similar to what we talked about with CBJ when some of us thought we should just stop paying him. At that point it will be a court proceeding. Not just an AD or Boyd decision.

I say that to say just get rid of him. I would like to start the new year with a sense of relief or rejuvenation. If he is still here it will feel like we are bringing 2020 into 2021. No one wants that.

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

South Carolina's 247 Insider Room said today that they believe Bobo will stay at UoSC.

Good.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Agreed. However I don't think you have to wait for the conclusion of the investigation to fire, or negotiate a buyout with CJP. Even if you fire him and give him the full buyout I believe it could be revisited down the road. Similar to what we talked about with CBJ when some of us thought we should just stop paying him. At that point it will be a court proceeding. Not just an AD or Boyd decision.

I say that to say just get rid of him. I would like to start the new year with a sense of relief or rejuvenation. If he is still here it will feel like we are bringing 2020 into 2021. No one wants that.

Who is going to be the new coach if Pruitt is fired?

 

[Skizer41]

Who is going to be the new coach if Pruitt is fired?

Thats why we are all waiting for the meeting to end....



I'd go Freeze, Malzhan, Napier....

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I agree. I was just making the point that I believe he would take the Tenn job if offered.

He turned down Auburn.

 

[Dooby15]

He turned down Auburn.

Right, most likely the same reason Clark did. Auburn is trying to force Gardner and Steele on their next hire. If Tenn offers him and tells him to pick his staff then I think he would take it.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Thats why we are all waiting for the meeting to end....



I'd go Freeze, Malzhan, Napier....

Freeze-No-poison - No SEC school will
Hire him.
Malzhan-Seriously-why would he come here with his 20m plus buyout.
Napier-Turned down a better offer at Auburn.

The point I’m making is that based on information available as of now, Pruitt will be our coach in 2021.
I don’t like it anymore than you do. Bad spot we are in.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Right, most likely the same reason Clark did. Auburn is trying to force Gardner and Steele on their next hire. If Tenn offers him and tells him to pick his staff then I think he would take it.

I think Pruitt is staying but hope I’m wrong. I’m not sure the forcing Gardner and Steele on a new coach is verified but I heard the rumor on Finebaum earlier.

 

[Weezer]

Is not absurd to think Lebron is better than Jordan or the other way around. Two are very close. Anyone that thinks own is WAY better than the other are just nostalgic for whatever they grew up with lol.

Except Jordan is the GOAT.

 

[Ashevolle]

Nothing says excitement like having to completely cycle through your assistant staff to appease the fans for one of the worst seasons in school history in the HC's third year. Cut the cord, bring in Freeze and lets win some games.

No one will be appeased.

 

[Ashevolle]

Except Jordan is the GOAT.

I used to agree.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I used to agree.

Sorry you went to the dark side.

 

[Skizer41]

Freeze-No-poison - No SEC school will
Hire him.
Malzhan-Seriously-why would he come here with his 20m plus buyout.
Napier-Turned down a better offer at Auburn.

The point I’m making is that based on information available as of now, Pruitt will be our coach in 2021.
I don’t like it anymore than you do. Bad spot we are in.

Ok I wouldn't argue your prediction. Here's the thing though. If you're going to keep CJP and fire/replace 3-5 assistants whats the difference if we bring in someone like Malzhan? Seriously asking not trying to poke.

To me at that point its a safer play. I understand its the more expensive play. But we've got the best in state recruits we had in a long time getting ready to commit to wherever they are going to go. Keeping CJP does nothing. It's like watering a garden after you drenched it with roundup. It's not like we will have a significant turn around in one year that it will make this job more attractive.


EDIT; As far as Napier, I'm pretty sure he turned it down because of staffing demands. Which I doubt we would have any. Mainly because if we fire CJP I would say most of the staff will be gone as well.

 

[rjd970]

This is all just so bad.

Firing Pruitt will not guarantee a good future for UT football. Keeping Pruitt won’t either. This is a **** situation created by the dysfunctional leadership in the AD and boosters and it has no hope of getting any better.

Anybody questioning fandom of others at this point is borderline retarded. Those of us that are left even though there is no hope of it getting better are the true diehards.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

I still don't believe JP will be back next season. I've thought for a few weeks, he'd be gone before Christmas. I think the investigation has delayed his dismissal and it's going to take a couple of weeks to sort out. Freeze, Gus, Campbell, Napier, seem to be VN's consensus top 4 and they have not been hired anywhere yet. Come to think of it, most of the coaches' names that have been posted in this thread are still available. Ride on

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Ok I wouldn't argue your prediction. Here's the thing though. If you're going to keep CJP and fire/replace 3-5 assistants whats the difference if we bring in someone like Malzhan? Seriously asking not trying to poke.

To me at that point its a safer play. I understand its the more expensive play. But we've got the best in state recruits we had in a long time getting ready to commit to wherever they are going to go. Keeping CJP does nothing. It's like watering a garden after you drenched it with roundup. It's not like we will have a significant turn around in one year that it will make this job more attractive.


EDIT; As far as Napier, I'm pretty sure he turned it down because of staffing demands. Which I doubt we would have any. Mainly because if we fire CJP I would say most of the staff will be gone as well.

I just don’t think Malzahn would come here with the current state of the program. He doesn’t need the money.
Another factor brought up by Deerpark is that we would lose a substantial number of current quality of playerS on the roster. This could set us back even another couple of years even if we find the right coach.