Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[TheMagnificantOne]

Die Hard isn't a Christmas movie.

The Director Says Yes

We hadn’t intended it to be a Christmas movie but the joy that came from it is what turned it into a Christmas movie.

 

[jakez4ut]

Seriously?? WTF man? Never been rude or disrespectful to you and you throw this comment out. Also, never mentioned you by name or called anyone out ever. Watch your damn mouth unless you want some heat next time I’m at Neyland.

Lol. I was responding to utk. You were just collateral damage. I'll watch it for the heat... Lol

 

[Jimmy Football]

The Director Says Yes

“We hadn’t intended it to be a Christmas movie but the joy that came from it is what turned it into a Christmas movie.”

Um, that’s not how it works.

 

[Orangeslice13]

It’s just freaking amazing that 3-7 wasn’t enough to get him fired. I said over and over that he’d be back no matter what but I was angry with my university and hopefully wrong.
I can’t believe they’re as incompetent as angry Slice thinks they are.

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

Our only hope is 3-7 was enough to do it

Firing him would be a much better way to serve up some humble pie.

 

[UTProf]

Of course. We are TN. We honestly have one of the worst administrations in all of college football.

I don't think it's the admin although I used to believe they were a large part of it. However, it's changed as many times as we've changed coaches. Our issue is that our boosters run our AD and they run it while warring with each other and agreeing to uneasy truces. We don't have an athletic director and are unwilling to cede any real power to one. The only constant throughout Tennessee's time in the wilderness has been our boosters. We need to recruit better ones -- all the money in the world does zero good if we refuse to wield it and we will continue this endless cycle of infighting until the five families cede power to an AD. They need to understand that their job is to support football, STFU and take their tickets and extra perks. Stop trying to run things. THAT is what successful programs get from their boosters.

 

[BruinVol]

Do you not comprehend how literally everyone thinks you’re a moron? Just shut up.

Good grief. You guys will defend anything even as blatant as a lie as this.

I mean the guy gives Tickets away on this site to posters all the time. That alone makes him a booster along will bragging about his “skin in the game just today” makes it more blatant

 

[Vols4us]

If what AV has posted is true, which makes a great deal of sense, then it has to be played out because it's a double switch. That may mean it needs to totally tank next season unless enough big guns decide to strike now. There are several calculations there - roster, fan base, financial, etc.

Glad I'm not the one making the call. But if it was my call, I firmly believe your never chase good money after bad. Bad money is continuing to pay Phil/Jeremy to tank the primary revenue sport of the UTAD. Current program fundamentals and trends are bad and not fixable. So, I would cut them off quickly. That's big talk for somebody with no skin in the game, however, it's a business philosophy I used successfully for years when I did have skin in the game.

AV laid it out perfectly relating to the financial competition for talent with the Tesla/Boeing example. We are not in position to dictate, we have to buy our way out. But our business fundamentals are good in that we still have a viable customer base who are willing to pay a good price if we produce a good product. We have the facilities and a well recognized name in our industry. However, the customer base will continue to decline as long as we continue to offer a crappy product. That tells me that time is of the essence unless you are planning to burn it down and start over. The talent pool will dwindle even more next year because of our continued deterioration and other employers hiring coaches since the COVID excuse will be played out.

I would rather act now, cut the losers, and buy the best coaching talent since the roster and schedule are reasonable in 2021 with a strong in-state recruiting class.

 

[Jimmy Football]

It’s just freaking amazing that 3-7 wasn’t enough to get him fired. I said over and over that he’d be back no matter what but I was angry with my university and hopefully wrong.
I can’t believe they’re as incompetent as angry Slice thinks they are.

Angry Slice may have even overestimated their competence.

 

[BruinVol]

Firing him would be a much better way to serve up some humble pie.

I’d prefer that route too

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Let me put it to you this way. If Tesla offered you 500K a year salary and 500K in stock options and on the flip side Boeing (once traded at over 350 a share and now at 217 with potential more free fall) offered you 500K a year salary and 500K in stock options....which offer do you think you would take?

I was told there wouldn’t be any math.

 

[Catbone]

Fulmer SUCKS and is a cancer for this program. He for sure doesn’t want the NCAA sniffing around him...we will see how bad some donors want him gone as well...they certainly have and know the dirt if needed to make a change.

Holy sht

 

[Smokey X]

THIS POST ALL DAY LONG

so it was PF pushing that resulted in CJP keeping JG as the starter for so long....

 

[ob79]

Bruin is the Todd Chester of VolNation.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Holy sht

I know, man. I cry a little more with each layer we peel off the onion.

 

[Batman1948]

Ill say this, remember next year will not be like this year. The schedule will return to normal with almost a month before signing day vs this year where it was before season ended. That makes a difference. Also if you have a hot name, like Freeze, recruiting that first year won't be a large issue. Again, that's why another year away from Ole miss helps.

The head scratcher for me here is this: Fulmer would rather hitch his wagon to a 1 year risk vs. get his mulligan (which he has given 11+ to Pruitt) and severely risk losing his job next year. I just don't get that.

When Fulmer took the AD position, it was never supposed to be long term. He wants the football program on solid ground and he believes Pruitt can do it. It remains to be seen but I think Fulmer will step away after this last contract extension. This year has been so unpredictable with everything going on in sports and hopefully 2021 will not look like 2020. The NBA is getting off to a rocky start with the Virus----so who knows what 2021 will bring.

 

[knoxswim890]

If we move on from Fulmer, we need to go after Blackburn. He was always the answer. That's why they didn't want him

There are other legit ADs besides Blackburn. But, yes, someone with actual skills and credentials would be a positive improvement.

 

[BruinVol]

Bruin is the Todd Chester of VolNation.

you know AV well

has he done any of these things??

• Provided a donation in order to obtain season tickets for any sport at the university.
• Participated in or has been a member of an organization promoting the university’s athletics programs.
• Made financial contributions to the athletic department or to a university booster organization.
• Arranged for or provided employment for enrolled student-athletes.
• Assisted or has been requested by university staff to assist in the recruitment of prospective student-athletes.
• Assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student athletes or their families.
• Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Die hard takes place during Christmas.

There is a Christmas party.

There are Christmas songs on the soundtrack.

Several Christmas references throughout. "Ho Ho Ho" "''twas the night before Christmas..."

Centered around family themes.

It is absolutely a Christmas movie. It is the central driver for why the story even takes place.

Watched it last night.

 

[BruinVol]

.

 

[pismonque]

And what if I told you that Tesla was willing to give you a signing bonus regardless of where you decided to choose to go and that the day before signing Tesla reached back out and said hey we know what Boeing offered you and we are willing to go to 700k or match anything else Boeing throws your way. Oh and the whole time this is going on the Boeing stock value continues to drop. This is the type of thing we are up against.

Nice having one agent represent all the coaches, ain’t it?

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

I’d prefer that route too

Have you changed your opinion? I thought you were suggesting keeping him would be the better option.

 

[RiotVol]

I don't think it's the admin although I used to believe they were a large part of it. However, it's changed as many times as we've changed coaches. Our issue is that our boosters run our AD and they run it while warring with each other and agreeing to uneasy truces. We don't have an athletic director and are unwilling to cede any real power to one. The only constant throughout Tennessee's time in the wilderness has been our boosters. We need to recruit better ones -- all the money in the world does zero good if we refuse to wield it and we will continue this endless cycle of infighting until the five families cede power to an AD. They need to understand that their job is to support football, STFU and take their tickets and extra perks. Stop trying to run things. THAT is what successful programs get from their boosters.

The difference between us and Bama is Mal Moore rose up through the ranks as a coach, and then up the ranks through the AD. After a couple of bad coaches, decided to pull out all of the stops to get the best college football coach to be had.

Fulmer did not come up through the ranks in the AD, and sounds like he's running the AD as "super football coach who also has to dabble in other sports part of the time."

Sounds like we f@#$ed up hiring Currie instead of Blackburn.

 

[Jackcrevol]

If he gives his all for Tennessee he would know Pruitt isn’t the guy and fire him. Not arguing with fat cats to keep him. I’m sure that Fulmer wants to be remembered as the last coach to win something meaningful at Tennessee so he’ll probably do everything he can to keep that intact.

none of us have any tangible information to back up any of those claims.

there is still a lot of butthurt on the hill from Majors transition. Separating that situation from this and Phillip's performance as a HC at the end, one has to look at the facts. Not what purported insider's, donors with their own agenda's and opinions, and mega fans think they hear and opine.

Facts are the last search was an absolute catostrophe and train wreck.

Several pundits have stated Phillips has the big donors, has the President, the Chancellor etc. That's all I need to know.

Y'all can be butthurt that Pruitt is here another year. Your choice. I dont think he's the guy either. But considering we got told to eff off by .500 level coachws during last search, I think the brass is cautious.

Covid aint helped the Barn or Cocks.

 

[BruinVol]

Have you changed your opinion? I thought you were suggesting keeping him would be the better option.

No I want him gone

But I am willing to trust a man that I feel loves Tennessee football way more than Any of us do and also has forgotten more about the game than I’ll ever know to make that call.