Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Smokey'sHandler]

The longer we go without offering a DC the more I feel like it’s going to be Steele. And that would be a pretty dang good hire in my mind. Steele could bring a dang good defensive staff with him as well.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You don’t have to improve but 6-4 is a major decline from 12-0. I have never said anything about my wealth nor will I. If you are envious of other peoples positions in life then work harder and make better career decisions.

You along with some others don’t take the context of the situation into account either. Whatever though. You are free to believe what you want. There are many who believe we made the best hire we possibly could. Also, you are free to list the big time coaches that wanted to come here. Or you can post all the ones that were offered. Or maybe the big time coaches that even entertained the idea of an offer.

Envious? Hardly. I have a great life.

 

[BloodShovel]

Right now we just kind of need safe. We’d all love that ‘98 feeling... but damn I just want to not get smart ass comments every time someone sees the Power T on my hat or Jeep etc.

I think at worst, CJH gets us some exciting offensive games, gets some guys drafted, has us win some games we maybe shouldn’t. Upset uga and uf occasionally.

As much as i like to win now, realistic goals should be to stabilize the program and try to have the pieces in place for a run by year 3 same as most coaching changes.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Did BGS get banned? What happened? I thought his phone was just jacked up

Why would he get banned (if that’s what happened)?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

As much as i like to win now, realistic goals should be to stabilize the program and try to have the pieces in place for a run by year 3 same as most coaching changes.

Simple. Well thought out. Realistic. Spot on.

 

[ETennGal]

Gotta be the most beautiful campus on the planet though.

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It is! Almost went there.

 

[UTfan94]

How many more games would Heupel had won in 2020 if his defense ranked 50th instead of 129th?

 

["It's Time"]

So we still have people miffed about Heup going 6-4 in 2020, but we’re not upset about our #1 candidate went 4-5?

 

[Batman1948]

You don’t have to improve but 6-4 is a major decline from 12-0. I have never said anything about my wealth nor will I. If you are envious of other peoples positions in life then work harder and make better career decisions.

Beav, UCF had 10 players opt out due to covid, suffered some injuries from key players and lost 4 games.
Cincinnati 36--UCF 33------Memphis 50--UCF 49-----Tulsa 34--UCF 26----Bowl Game--BYU 49--UCF 23
With all that was going on, I don't think you can say they regressed in 2020

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Of what month

Next month.

 

[Devo182]

True. But this is a completely different situation.

But...as compared to Mizzou (mostly 3 stars) after coming of a season scoring 13 ppg? Certainly not different than that and most would say a much better situation overall.

 

[ETennGal]

Been there and it is unbelievable. Looks like a resort area.

It’s a sister school to Lipscomb in Nashville.

 

[Devo182]

Beav, UCF had 10 players opt out due to covid, suffered some injuries from key players and lost 4 games.
Cincinnati 36--UCF 33------Memphis 50--UCF 49-----Tulsa 34--UCF 26----Bowl Game--BYU 49--UCF 23
With all that was going on, I don't think you can say they regressed in 2020

THANK YOU. 15 points from going 9-1.

Hell, Pruitt could hardly even stick within 15 points in most of our losses!

People overemphasize W/L records without taking margin of those wins and losses into account and considering the natural variance there. He was blowing people out in wins and lost 3 close games. That team was much closer to 8-2/9-1 than 5-5.

 

[Deebowbear]

A little disappointed nobody has a list of DC candidates who have a buyout that drops on February 1st... I guess I’ll start digging.

Like to see a list

 

[MIT_Beaver]

You are trying to draw a trend from too small a sample size which is itself misguided. Especially considering that the major plot point you are relying on is from an anomaly covid year. You can look at Alabama in 2009 and 2010 and say the same thing, but you'd be wrong as shown by a larger set of data in the years that followed. Give Huepel time. Neither you nor I know how he'll do here, so stop pretending your cherry picked data proves anything.

What other data points do you have that gives you optimism???? News flash, every team was impacted by Covid. If COViD was just in Florida then I agree about the anomaly but that just isn’t the reality.

 

[Nashvegas31]

All these people would have died over James Franklin when he was 4-5 in an average big ten are hating on a 6-4 coach who is 28-8 as a head coach. Freaking Volnation. Every coach is a gamble unless they are Saban or Urban. But this is the best hire we have made since Kiffin and Kiffin is all about offense too. Get it together people.

My concerns with Franklin would have been around is his Penn St offensive success his own or Morehead? Before and after Morehead has not been the same level of elite offense. A lot of his Vandy success was with elite defense and manageable offense. He isn’t this elite offensive mind. He is a really good motivator, recruiter and leader. Also he has his 2nd not so pretty player incident at a 2nd institute. Odds are he would have been very successful here due to his recruit connections in Nashville but wasn’t a given.

 

[Blake25p]

How many more games would Heupel had won in 2020 if his defense ranked 50th instead of 129th?

Kentucky, Arkansas, Auburn, and possibly UGA. Florida and Texas A&M would’ve been competitive.

 

[ob79]

We could very well suck, but I doubt we see another coaching search so soon. The NCAA violations will be used as an excuse to put it off. I have no idea if JH will succeed or fail, but he'll be given a longer rope to play with because of any sanctions we receive. If he struggles at recruiting, we'll be told it's because of sanctions. If he struggles on the field, we'll be told it's because he doesn't have the players because of sanctions. The truth is, this may turn out to be another crap hire, but maybe a crap hire is what we should expect when you combine the toxic atmosphere of the last 15 years with NCAA trouble. None of the big time coaches want to come here. We need to face that reality.

I believe the same was said when Kiffin went to USC, and then he got fired on a tarmac.

We'll see what happens over the next two seasons, and what the 'AA decides after we self-impose. I think we'll end up with something slightly greater than a slap on the wrist from them, since we cleaned house and hired someone with the pedigree of DW.

But excuses only go so far once the pads come on, and I think Lane would agree.

 

[volbeast33]

What other data points do you have that gives you optimism???? News flash, every team was impacted by Covid. If COViD was just in Florida then I agree about the anomaly but that just isn’t the reality.

I don’t think you can judge any teams during the covid season whether it was better than espected or worse than expected.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

F for Lyle ? Well hell could have told them that.

Make sure they call us before they hire Pruitt. He'll get a dropped/incomplete.

I think Butch could do pretty good at Arkansas State. They’re paying him $850k/year plus incentives. He has a $2m buyout but I think he’s trying to restart his career. Our severance pay ran out last year.

I’m not sure what his career trajectory is, probably from A-State to some ACC, B1G, or B12 school. I don’t think he ever comes back to the SEC. I think the job here was just too big for him. I think the job here is perhaps too big for most coaches. I think Butch lost control of the job here and I think that is a flaw in his character, not so much moral, more like fortitude. jmo.

I watched his introductory press conference but skipped a lot of his answers to questions because he’s as long winded as ever and it’s mostly all coach-speak. He didn’t really talk about Tennessee other that thanking Saban for accepting a rival coach into his organization back when we fired him.

He said he thought he improved as a coach by working for a defensive minded head coach. Also said A-State had the best facilities and best football program in the country. Said he had 972 text messages since his hire had been announced 4 days prior. I thought that was vintage Butch.

In most ways he was the same old Butch but I’ve always thought he was a smart man so I do think he’ll likely do good there. Of course he’s in the conference with Appy State and Coastal Carolina so it may not be in his first year. Time will tell. I was never fond of his personality but I'm glad I've reached the point where I can genuinely wish him well. jmo.

 

[Blake25p]

Like it or not JH will be the coach for a while, you don’t add a clause in his contract for an extra year if there are NCAA sanctions just to fire him in 3 years.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

Tamari Key for The Lady Vols had a triple double in a win against Florida today. She had 23 pts, 10 rebounds and 10 blocks.

 

[Devo182]

I will say this, as one who has been investing for over 45 years, winning some and losing some. I seriously expect a major market correction in the not too distant future, so I would be cautious putting too much in the market right now, and wait for a better opportunity. Just my opinion and that's my disclaimer.

Based on the market P/E or QE stock inflation?

I'll admit the 2nd highest Schiller P/E in HISTORY (33.8), even higher than Black Tuesday and only outdone by the 2000 tech boom spike, is a bit worrisome. But one also has to wonder if the market has simply seen a fundamental P/E shift due to so much of it being tech, bio, medical, etc and less made up of dinosaur "cash cow" industries. Regardless, very low interest rates could continue the P/E inflation (if that is the cause) for the foreseeable future.


I've also heard people saying this (including an older gentlemen at work that SWORE it was inflated by QE infinity back in 2015...only to miss out on basically doubling his money in just 5 years). The only thing I know is true is that the market will go up in the long-run and humans (even the experts) are notoriously bad at timing the market.

As always, I'd say invest or divest incrementally and HODL for the long haul and be very cautious of making "all-or-nothing" plays. Good luck to all

 

[Nashvegas31]

The longer we go without offering a DC the more I feel like it’s going to be Steele. And that would be a pretty dang good hire in my mind. Steele could bring a dang good defensive staff with him as well.

It makes no sense to not keep Steele unless you think he will cause problems. Otherwise not many better fits for a guy used to playing with an uptempo offense and that loves TN and would recruit at high level as possible under circumstances

 

[Ace]

I think Butch could do pretty good at Arkansas State. They’re paying him $850k/year plus incentives. He has a $2m buyout but I think he’s trying to restart his career. Our severance pay ran out last year.

I’m not sure what his career trajectory is, probably from A-State to some ACC, B1G, or B12 school. I don’t think he ever comes back to the SEC. I think the job here was just too big for him. I think the job here is perhaps too big for most coaches. I think Butch lost control of the job here and I think that is a flaw in his character, not so much moral, more like fortitude. jmo.

I watched his introductory press conference but skipped a lot of his answers to questions because he’s as long winded as ever and it’s mostly all coach-speak. He didn’t really talk about Tennessee other that thanking Saban for accepting a rival coach into his organization back when we fired him.

He said he thought he improved as a coach by working for a defensive minded head coach. Also said A-State had the best facilities and best football program in the country. Said he had 972 text messages since his hire had been announced 4 days prior. I thought that was vintage Butch.

In most ways he was the same old Butch but I’ve always thought he was a smart man so I do think he’ll likely do good there. Of course he’s in the conference with Appy State and Coastal Carolina so it may not be in his first year. Time will tell. I was never fond of his personality but I'm glad I've reached the point where I can genuinely wish him well. jmo.

He will struggle to challenge App State, Coastal and Napier at ULL. AState has problems with recruiting. The state of Arkansas has basically no FBS prospects and those they do have attend Arkansas.