Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Jimmy Football]

UT has Steele under a two-year contract. He's getting the same $$$-- from UT and Auburn combined-- whether he coaches or not. So UT doesn't have to buy him. They just needed to give him a reason to want to stay.

Dollywood Gold Pass. Done.

 

[WarMachine]

UT has Steele under a two-year contract. He's getting the same $$$-- from UT and Auburn combined-- whether he coaches or not. So UT doesn't have to buy him. They just needed to give him a reason to want to stay.

Thank you. No idea what Basillio is talking about.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Turning 33 today boys. Now when I sleep wrong, I feel it for a month. Can't handle mega spicy stuff anymore. Hangovers last four days... The end is near.

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[rjd970]

I have learned over the years that it through the hard times that people need encouragement and support not apathy. Apathy is a lot easier to do. It doesn't take any energy at all. Just sit back and wait and see if they measure up to what I am expecting and then I'll jump on board. Having been a Pastor you get a lot of those types in your congregation who sit on the sidelines full of apathy until things really get moving and growing and exciting then they jump in. lol Then they start saying wow look at us. Well where were they when we went through the hard times? Coach Heupel needs our support now. So we all make a decision don't invest ourselves in our team and jump on when they finally look good or jump in now. Well what happens if he fails? I know have have let people down over the years of my ministries but I sure appreciated those who stuck by me. Apathy kills the atmosphere in a Church just like it can with a football team. My dad use to always say, "son, get in or get out or get run over" GBO !! JMO

Support is warranted if there is change and a willingness to help ones self. If we aren't willing to help ourselves apathy is not only warranted, it should be expected. I would be 100% on board and support if there was real change happening.

But there isn't.

A lower level coach that hasn't accomplished anything in the SEC or FBS has just been given the reigns - again. Just like the last 3 times - we are paying him on the lower end of the conference pay scale...and outside of all the stats and what not he is just another gamble at the end of the day. Just like last time he says all the right things in the press conference. Just like last time he brings something new and exciting. Meanwhile - you have guys like Hugh Freeze and Lane Kiffin that at the very least can appreciate what it takes to win in this conference all but begging to right this thing. This feels like Butch Jones 2.0.

I really hope CJH kills it here. I really really really do. I hope I have to eat a second helping of crow. But at the end of the day, at least right now, this is no different than what we have been doing. Rinse/Repeat all over again.

I've been through the hard times. Been a fan since the mid-80's. Every time since Fulmer was fired I got optimistic about the new coach. I'm done with that, its show me time. Until then, there is no reason to believe this will be any different.

Apathy. It is finally here for me.

 

[ACvol3]

After talking with some folks about how this offense will run, I just plainly don’t think we’re going to have success in the SEC. Doesn’t meant I’m not rooting to be wrong.

I hated the hire, got on board because that’s what fans do, then did some actual research. I don’t see how this path forward ends well.

What’s your thinking here? Why would this be the one place his offense doesn’t work?

 

[Dudleys87]

UT has Steele under a two-year contract. He's getting the same $$$-- from UT and Auburn combined-- whether he coaches or not. So UT doesn't have to buy him. They just needed to give him a reason to want to stay.

Like full control on D?
I’d be ok with that

 

[VFLPastor]

Sheesh, Hyams. This is the biggest clickbait article ever.

Jimmy’s blog: Kevin White discouraged son from becoming athletic director | WNML-AF (991thesportsanimal.com)

Kevin White encouraged his boys to go into a Wall Street career. Title makes it sound like he was against Danny taking the UT job. The quotes are the exact opposite. This is why journalism is about as trusted as Hedge Fund Shortsellers these days.

 

[Kingston Vol]

You understood what he was getting at though, right? He didn’t compare him to Rick Barnes, just said they would need to take the Rick Barnes approach. That would be, taking what they have and what they can get, developing it and competing; then pulling in the bigger name recruits. Timeline just has to be accelerated in football.

Yeah, and I don’t think that will work in SEC football - and wouldn’t have worked long term for Barnes. It was just dumb luck that Grant was an NBA talent misevaluated by other schools because he was short and fat (when he arrived on campus).

We need to attack recruiting under Heupel - not sit back and take what we can get.

 

[Rishvol]

Turning 33 today boys. Now when I sleep wrong, I feel it for a month. Can't handle mega spicy stuff anymore. Hangovers last four days... The end is near.

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[BruinVol]

UT has Steele under a two-year contract. He's getting the same $$$-- from UT and Auburn combined-- whether he coaches or not. So UT doesn't have to buy him. They just needed to give him a reason to want to stay.

But they have to pay him enough to keep auburn away.

1mil should be enough since that’s what we paid last year

and I’d find a way to make it a 3 year deal with the 3rd year being large

 

[WarMachine]

After talking with some folks about how this offense will run, I just plainly don’t think we’re going to have success in the SEC. Doesn’t meant I’m not rooting to be wrong.

I hated the hire, got on board because that’s what fans do, then did some actual research. I don’t see how this path forward ends well.

Do you think we'll be worse than Mizzuo when he was OC? What would stand in the way of having similar success?

 

[rockytop25]

Go take a look at UCF forums, they are very excited that we took Heupel off their hands. That tells you everything you need to know.

His biggest failure there was that he was not Scott Frost. Very similar to Cuonzo following Bruce Pearl here (even though Martin wasn't very good here). When you follow a coach that has had unprecedented success like Frost, it is hard for the whole fan base to like you.

 

[90 Vol]

Turning 33 today boys. Now when I sleep wrong, I feel it for a month. Can't handle mega spicy stuff anymore. Hangovers last four days... The end is near.

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The truth! I turned 33 last year. Hangovers are the worst now.

Advice from a 53 year old. Get the best mattress you can afford, take acid reflux med, and drink plenty of water while enjoying your choice of adult beverages. Hang in there guys! Just gotta change your strategy.

 

[HankHill]

Random play I love that UCF runs. 11 personnel, This is a second level RPO. Pre snap: all the QB doing is counting the box. There’s 6 in the box pre snap... which is still a favorable run set because everyone is accounted for. But when the ball is snapped the QB is reading the safeties. FS drops back but the SS instantly crashes hard to play the run. On This particular play it has a slot fade being the primary option but because we know that either WR on the right side has one on one, you could also just use the slot vertical to clear out that side of the field then you have your 1 or 2 WR working one on one with a lot of inside space (slant/hook/drag... all easy completions with RAC opportunities)....and the best part is UCF has 7 pass blockers against 6 pass rushers Bc we know that safety isn’t going to make it home in time. It’s really simple too because all you’re doing is counting the box and if the safeties stay back you should get 3-5 yards a clip and if they crash in you have big play opportunities over their head.

 

[VolGee4]

This is dumb. We don’t have to pay him anything if he says he will do the job for a $1. They fired him and are stuck with the buyout. We are paying him over 400k, that is perfectly fine. We don’t need to pay more just to appease another AD. That’s ridiculous.

I read that his contract requires him to mitigate with fair market value for his next position. So, if we hire him as LB coach, then the 450k contract is fine. But, if we hire him as DC, then he has to be paid fair market value, which is higher but probably can be less than what we were paying Ansley. It's just not as simple as you say.

 

[Volnatic]

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Random play I love that UCF runs. 11 personnel, This is a second level RPO. Pre snap: all the QB doing is counting the box. There’s 6 in the box pre snap... which is still a favorable run set because everyone is accounted for. But when the ball is snapped the QB is reading the safeties. FS drops back but the SS instantly crashes hard to play the run. On This particular play it has a slot fade being the primary option but because we know that either WR on the right side has one on one, you could also just use the slot vertical to clear out that side of the field then you have your 1 or 2 WR working one on one with a lot of inside space (slant/hook/drag... all easy completions with RAC opportunities)....and the best part is UCF has 7 pass blockers against 6 pass rushers Bc we know that safety isn’t going to make it home in time. It’s really simple too because all you’re doing is counting the box and if the safeties stay back you should get 3-5 yards a clip and if they crash in you have big play opportunities over their head.

You sure it’s an RPO and not just a play fake here? I ask because the back doesn’t continue on after the action as though he’s on a run play. Instead he filters over into front side pass pro.

 

[HankHill]

That's because we haven't been winning. If we were winning, we could recruit top 5 every year.

I think even then it would be hard based on landscape but it’s certainly doable. As long as we’re around the top 15 we will be fine. At least until we are ready to make that step from 8-4 to 10wins+. Then we will start getting the bama, UGA, Clemson bump and it won’t matter.

 

[Kingston Vol]

What’s your thinking here? Why would this be the one place his offense doesn’t work?

The offense does put up a lot of points and it will here. At the end of the year, our offensive stats will look great.

Heupel himself said he reinvented his offense after Oklahoma. What they were doing in Norman was what Stoops and Jay Norvell wanted to run. So you have to look at everything after 2014.

If you look from 2015 forward, this offense has a consistent pattern: put up points on bad teams, get shut down by good teams.

2015 (at Utah State so there are some talent disparities): 12 points vs. Southern Utah, 14 points vs. Utah, 17 points vs. Washington, 14 points vs. San Diego State, 13 points vs. New Mexico
2016 at Missouri: 11vs. West Virginia, 7 vs. LSU, 14 vs. Florida, 21 vs. Kentucky, 26 vs. Vanderbilt
2017 at Missouri: 13 vs. South Carolina, 3 vs. Purdue, 14 vs. Auburn - the offense took off later in the year and I will acknowledge it, but they didn't beat any good teams.

I've seen the argument that we need to crawl before we can walk, and putting up points against bad teams will be fun and at least make us worth watching. I agree with those things, but we're going to have a similar issue that Pruitt had where we are totally noncompetitive vs. the Big 3 and eventually, people will get tired of it.

Do you think we'll be worse than Mizzuo when he was OC? What would stand in the way of having similar success?

What would you consider similar success?

Missouri was 4-8 in 2016 and 7-6 in 2017, and that was with notoriously good defensive coach Barry Odom running the defense.

 

[LA Vol]

Thank you. No idea what Basillio is talking about.

I didn't hear Basilio, so he may have put it in context. I'm sure Auburn probably is complaining. And UT could amend the contract. But the reality is, this got off to a bad start with Steele. He knows how everything went down, and he was left hanging for a while. Hard for that not to leave residual feelings, even if it's his alma mater. Maybe especially since it's his alma mater.

 

[HankHill]

You sure it’s an RPO and not just a play fake here? I ask because the back doesn’t continue on after the action as though he’s on a run play. Instead he filters over into front side pass pro.

It’s definitely an rpo imo because they run this same look so much with run action or screen action. I think they probably just have a “hot” que on certain ones Where the RB or TE stays in or can leak out after.

 

[jdavis675]

After talking with some folks about how this offense will run, I just plainly don’t think we’re going to have success in the SEC. Doesn’t meant I’m not rooting to be wrong.

I hated the hire, got on board because that’s what fans do, then did some actual research. I don’t see how this path forward ends well.

Did your research show that his second year at Mizzou as OC, his offense was 17th in the country in points per game?

Your argument could make some sense if he didn’t already have a successful stint as an playcaller in the SEC that landed him a HC job.

 

[Orange Studs]

Support is warranted if there is change and a willingness to help ones self. If we aren't willing to help ourselves apathy is not only warranted, it should be expected. I would be 100% on board and support if there was real change happening.

But there isn't.

A lower level coach that hasn't accomplished anything in the SEC or FBS has just been given the reigns - again. Just like the last 3 times - we are paying him on the lower end of the conference pay scale...and outside of all the stats and what not he is just another gamble at the end of the day. Just like last time he says all the right things in the press conference. Just like last time he brings something new and exciting. Meanwhile - you have guys like Hugh Freeze and Lane Kiffin that at the very least can appreciate what it takes to win in this conference all but begging to right this thing. This feels like Butch Jones 2.0.

I really hope CJH kills it here. I really really really do. I hope I have to eat a second helping of crow. But at the end of the day, at least right now, this is no different than what we have been doing. Rinse/Repeat all over again.

I've been through the hard times. Been a fan since the mid-80's. Every time since Fulmer was fired I got optimistic about the new coach. I'm done with that, its show me time. Until then, there is no reason to believe this will be any different.

Apathy. It is finally here for me.

Well enjoy it since you and Kingston already know how things are going to go. By the way, His O while at Mizz in the SEC put over 50 points against us. Can;t say he hasn't done anything in the SEC and how does a coach do anything in the SEC if he is never hired to coach in the SEC? Do you think the coach that Auburn hired isn't a gamble? What coach isn't a gamble. How many have we seen that had great success at one school then go to like UCLA and suck? Heupel beat Kiffin twice. Real bad. But I guess that doesn't count in a apathy world. LOL Look we have two different views. You look at things through your apathy eyes and see doom and gloom. I look through my eyes of hope and see possibilities. Back in my younger days I would get the same treatment. He hasn't Pastored a Church this size, well our last Pastor didn't work out so I don't expect this one to. LOL I have heard it all. lol I guess that's where I have had to learn to choose to keep my eyes on the prize. My dad use to say, "son, failure is the back door to success."

 

[HankHill]

This is another play that I love because it’s so simple. JH starts the RB in the slot and when he moves back pre snap it signals immediately that they are in man... then they use the outside WR on a rub/pick route against the LB (which is already in a tough matchup) to basically have a wide open easy touch down on the wheel route. The LB just has no chance to defend this. Imagine doing this with beckwith.....

 

[jkleno]

Weren't we a Top 15 at one point last year? LOL. Anyone remember the highest ranking of 2020?

 

[MrVolton]

UT has Steele under a two-year contract. He's getting the same $$$-- from UT and Auburn combined-- whether he coaches or not. So UT doesn't have to buy him. They just needed to give him a reason to want to stay.

Do you think he will be our next DC?