Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Orange Studs]

Everything is "we'll see" right now. We'll see about this staff, we'll see about the sanctions, we'll see about recruiting, we'll see about players leaving, we'll see about developing those who stay, we'll see about plugging gaps with transfers, we'll see about rebuilding in-state relationships and convincing the best in-state talent to stay home and help rebuild.

We'll see about uniform changes and getting all the oranges to match. We'll see about facilities renos and hiring the right assistants and getting all of our marquee programs moving in the right direction... at the same time.

We are the University of We'll See.

Well for me I was talking about Milton. I see a lot of positives like out OL, DL and RBs. Sorry if my post rubbed you the wrong way but for me its been "we'll see" for 15 years.

 

[ClasslessVol]

Everything is "we'll see" right now. We'll see about this staff, we'll see about the sanctions, we'll see about recruiting, we'll see about players leaving, we'll see about developing those who stay, we'll see about plugging gaps with transfers, we'll see about rebuilding in-state relationships and convincing the best in-state talent to stay home and help rebuild.

We'll see about uniform changes and getting all the oranges to match. We'll see about facilities renos and hiring the right assistants and getting all of our marquee programs moving in the right direction... at the same time.

We are the University of We'll See.

We’ll see if your take on us being the University of We’ll See ends up being right.

 

[LA Vol]

He's also only started one year. So to judge a kid off of one year, especially the covid year and you know how strict they were in Michigan, is unfair. Same with Bailey. Bailey and Milton played in garbage offenses in the weirdest year of our lifetimes. Can't judge either on their performances last year. Plus, none have worked with Heupel. Next time he coaches a bad QB it will be the first time.

Agreed. Milton only started a few games-- four, maybe?-- and injured his throwing hand. Bailey didn't get much development or PT. Neither had a real opportunity to elevate their game. Salter blew his opportunity before he even got in the mix. So everybody who wants a do-over gets one, and we'll see who comes out on top.

 

[volsfan_17]

It will depend on the sanctions, but I don't expect us to be bowl eligible until Year 3. So I guess that's when I'll start to judge Heupel.

Somebody explain to me this: with the changing landscape the NCAA is being forced to go through, transfer portal, name image likeness laws, supreme court ruling in June, and all the reactionary items that will domino from that decision (25 man initial counter, API, etc.) Do we really expect them to have time to legislate penalties against us, or any other school for that matter right now? To me the NCAA is in an uphill battle to keep itself as a figurehead on collegiate athletics, and it's time is running short. I think we should self impose a bowl ban, and a mild reduction in scholarships (or large reduction based on our current roster construction), and tell the NCAA to move along.

By the time a one year bowl ban is served things like roster management will likely have moved from 25 player initial counter rules to 85 player rosters (IE: no recruiting limits per year), and players would be eligible to build their own brand and make their own monies from NIL legislation. It's a tidal wave of change that it's truly unprecedented, and as the NCAA loses more and more 'power', their 'penalties' should be dismissed as nothing more than suggestion.

 

[Glitch]

I should clarify-- we want to throw long balls to players in orange. Throwing to the other team was not an effective offensive strategy for us last year, though Mark Stoops endorsed it wholeheartedly and will be sad to see us rethink the concept.

"Ok Wildcats. It is UT game week, so we need to talk game plan. We suck, so we are gonna be putting all our chips on UT gifting us several scores like they did last year in order to get the W this week. Annnnnnnd...... that's it. That's the game plan. Meeting adjorned."

-Coach Stoops (prolly)

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I should clarify-- we want to throw long balls to players in orange. Throwing to the other team was not an effective offensive strategy for us last year, though Mark Stoops endorsed it wholeheartedly and will be sad to see us rethink the concept.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

Some people don't think highly of Milton, but UT didn't "settle." CJH watched Milton play and recruited him in HS and went after him aggressively as a transfer. The coaches got exactly who they wanted to run the offense they want to run.

UT challenged CJH to turn this thing around and he thinks this is the path. The coaches want to maximize our talent and stretch the field utilizing the speed of our WRs, and they think Milton has the skillset to do that. If one of our current QBs can beat him out, all the better.

I watch a lot of film – of other coaches on our schedule or just out of curiosity. I remember watching Gus Malzahn after we beat them in 2018. It was bad. He was under tremendous pressure and it showed.

Yesterday I watched Malzahn’s and Gabriel’s post spring game interviews at UCF. I figure we have an interest since we’re paying Gus’ salary for the next three years. Anyway, Gus looks 10 years younger, looks like he’s been on vacation at the beach for a month or so. I’ve never seen the guy look so upbeat and enjoying himself.

Gabriel seemed to have a similar demeanor. He had an ever present smile as he spoke with the media for about 8 minutes. He was a happy kid.

We took a first time HC that went 12-1, 10-3, and 6-4 at a G5 “powerhouse” and challenged him to turn around the UT football program? Then we hired Gus Malzahn to turn around the program that Heupel had trending in an unfavorable direction? smfh.

I’m just hoping CJH isn’t our Chad Morris, you know, the elite P5 OC (Clemson) who took a first time HC gig at a G5 school (big east SMU) and had them at least trending in the RIGHT direction, then is hired by Arkansas where he doesn’t win a single conference game in two years and is fired after 8 games into his second season.

The way I have it figured is White begged Heupel to take the job here because no one else would give him the time of day and his closing argument to Heupel was, you know the next AD there at UCF is going to fire you next year if you can’t turn the program around there. We hired a guy on the hot seat at a G5 school and challenged him to turn the program around at Tennessee. Okay.

LA, you seemed to be pretty well wired into what is going on with the UT football program across multiple coaching regimes so I’m wondering if you are part of our elite decision making group? Just curious.

 

[LA Vol]

Well for me I was talking about Milton. I see a lot of positives like out OL, DL and RBs. Sorry if my post rubbed you the wrong way but for me its been "we'll see" for 15 years.

It didn't rub me the wrong way at all. I'm in the "we'll see" camp myself, along with pretty much everybody I know. UT has made positive strides and some good hires, but there's a lot of uncertainty right now and we'll see how it all unfolds and how long it takes to dig out of a deep hole that took a decade to dig.

 

[mikemist]

I do remember that now

I didn't want to believe him, thought it was sour grapes about something. Guess not.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm not sure. I just know that he was on campus 2 weeks ago

Probably not enrolled in classes if he was here just two weeks ago. If he were he surely would have participated in spring practice.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Probably not enrolled in classes if he was here just two weeks ago. If he were he surly would have participated in spring practice.

shirley he would have

 

[volbeast33]

Somebody explain to me this: with the changing landscape the NCAA is being forced to go through, transfer portal, name image likeness laws, supreme court ruling in June, and all the reactionary items that will domino from that decision (25 man initial counter, API, etc.) Do we really expect them to have time to legislate penalties against us, or any other school for that matter right now? To me the NCAA is in an uphill battle to keep itself as a figurehead on collegiate athletics, and it's time is running short. I think we should self impose a bowl ban, and a mild reduction in scholarships (or large reduction based on our current roster construction), and tell the NCAA to move along.

By the time a one year bowl ban is served things like roster management will likely have moved from 25 player initial counter rules to 85 player rosters (IE: no recruiting limits per year), and players would be eligible to build their own brand and make their own monies from NIL legislation. It's a tidal wave of change that it's truly unprecedented, and as the NCAA loses more and more 'power', their 'penalties' should be dismissed as nothing more than suggestion.

Players won’t like the 85 man rosters..... They will be getting cut all the time.

 

[yourstruly23]

 

[ALStateLineVol]

Remember Jabari Davis was on twitter during year 1 of Pruitt, saying that the practices were some of the most disorganized he'd ever seen. lol

Maybe that is CJP had practices with no media, he could hide his charade for a few years before anyone figured it out.

 

[InstrumentalVol]

REMINDER: @HankHill wanted us to hire Doug Marrone as our head coach.

Alright see yall in 3 months

 

[Kingston Vol]

I watch a lot of film – of other coaches on our schedule or just out of curiosity. I remember watching Gus Malzahn after we beat them in 2018. It was bad. He was under tremendous pressure and it showed.

Yesterday I watched Malzahn’s and Gabriel’s post spring game interviews at UCF. I figure we have an interest since we’re paying Gus’ salary for the next three years. Anyway, Gus looks 10 years younger, looks like he’s been on vacation at the beach for a month or so. I’ve never seen the guy look so upbeat and enjoying himself.

Gabriel seemed to have a similar demeanor. He had an ever present smile as he spoke with the media for about 8 minutes. He was a happy kid.

We took a first time HC that went 12-1, 10-3, and 6-4 at a G5 “powerhouse” and challenged him to turn around the UT football program? Then we hired Gus Malzahn to turn around the program that Heupel had trending in an unfavorable direction? smfh.

I’m just hoping CJH isn’t our Chad Morris, you know, the elite P5 OC (Clemson) who took a first time HC gig at a G5 school (big east SMU) and had them at least trending in the RIGHT direction, then is hired by Arkansas where he doesn’t win a single conference game in two years and is fired after 8 games into his second season.

The way I have it figured is White begged Heupel to take the job here because no one else would give him the time of day and his closing argument to Heupel was, you know the next AD there at UCF is going to fire you next year if you can’t turn the program around there. We hired a guy on the hot seat at a G5 school and challenged him to turn the program around at Tennessee. Okay.

LA, you seemed to be pretty well wired into what is going on with the UT football program across multiple coaching regimes so I’m wondering if you are part of our elite decision making group? Just curious.

I think you are correct about how Heupel ended up with this job. A slew of coaches turned us down after looking at the roster, the impending sanctions, and the fact they just watched their predecessor get rail-roaded out of town for reasons that weren't on the level.

Heupel was not contacted at all during the search until the night he was hired. He wasn't interviewed, Plowman and Boyd only spoke with him after Danny White made the decision to hire him. It really was a hire of convenience for both parties: Danny White was tired of being rejected, so instead of going a tier down (in his mind) to coaches like Jamey Chadwell and Sonny Dykes, he contacted the guy he knew and was comfortable with. Heupel got a huge pay increase, got to reset his clock, and found a culture in Knoxville that fits him more than what he had in Orlando.

I have the same fear as you - I don't think this is a long-term marriage.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

REMINDER: @HankHill wanted us to hire Doug Marrone as our head coach.

Alright see yall in 3 months

 

[Weezer]

Y'all are depressing me.

 

[drvenner]

It's a recruiting advantage - perceived or real - to have your game on ESPN vs. ESPN+ or SECn+

Only 1 SEC game made it to the networks - Bama.

The rest are being streamed.

So the logic is cancel the game instead of figuring out some way to get the fans more involved during the stream to make it appealing?

 

[LA Vol]

I watch a lot of film – of other coaches on our schedule or just out of curiosity. I remember watching Gus Malzahn after we beat them in 2018. It was bad. He was under tremendous pressure and it showed.

Yesterday I watched Malzahn’s and Gabriel’s post spring game interviews at UCF. I figure we have an interest since we’re paying Gus’ salary for the next three years. Anyway, Gus looks 10 years younger, looks like he’s been on vacation at the beach for a month or so. I’ve never seen the guy look so upbeat and enjoying himself.

Gabriel seemed to have a similar demeanor. He had an ever present smile as he spoke with the media for about 8 minutes. He was a happy kid.

We took a first time HC that went 12-1, 10-3, and 6-4 at a G5 “powerhouse” and challenged him to turn around the UT football program? Then we hired Gus Malzahn to turn around the program that Heupel had trending in an unfavorable direction? smfh.

I’m just hoping CJH isn’t our Chad Morris, you know, the elite P5 OC (Clemson) who took a first time HC gig at a G5 school (big east SMU) and had them at least trending in the RIGHT direction, then is hired by Arkansas where he doesn’t win a single conference game in two years and is fired after 8 games into his second season.

The way I have it figured is White begged Heupel to take the job here because no one else would give him the time of day and his closing argument to Heupel was, you know the next AD there at UCF is going to fire you next year if you can’t turn the program around there. We hired a guy on the hot seat at a G5 school and challenged him to turn the program around at Tennessee. Okay.

LA, you seemed to be pretty well wired into what is going on with the UT football program across multiple coaching regimes so I’m wondering if you are part of our elite decision making group? Just curious.

DW and CJH saw opportunity at UT, which despite the drawbacks, has significant resources and upside. UT had to pay them well and make contractual concessions that protected them, but no begging was required.

And no, I don't work for UT. Some of the decisions made in the past definitely wouldn't have been mine.

 

[SSVol]

I watch a lot of film – of other coaches on our schedule or just out of curiosity. I remember watching Gus Malzahn after we beat them in 2018. It was bad. He was under tremendous pressure and it showed.

Yesterday I watched Malzahn’s and Gabriel’s post spring game interviews at UCF. I figure we have an interest since we’re paying Gus’ salary for the next three years. Anyway, Gus looks 10 years younger, looks like he’s been on vacation at the beach for a month or so. I’ve never seen the guy look so upbeat and enjoying himself.

Gabriel seemed to have a similar demeanor. He had an ever present smile as he spoke with the media for about 8 minutes. He was a happy kid.

We took a first time HC that went 12-1, 10-3, and 6-4 at a G5 “powerhouse” and challenged him to turn around the UT football program? Then we hired Gus Malzahn to turn around the program that Heupel had trending in an unfavorable direction? smfh.

I’m just hoping CJH isn’t our Chad Morris, you know, the elite P5 OC (Clemson) who took a first time HC gig at a G5 school (big east SMU) and had them at least trending in the RIGHT direction, then is hired by Arkansas where he doesn’t win a single conference game in two years and is fired after 8 games into his second season.

The way I have it figured is White begged Heupel to take the job here because no one else would give him the time of day and his closing argument to Heupel was, you know the next AD there at UCF is going to fire you next year if you can’t turn the program around there. We hired a guy on the hot seat at a G5 school and challenged him to turn the program around at Tennessee. Okay.

LA, you seemed to be pretty well wired into what is going on with the UT football program across multiple coaching regimes so I’m wondering if you are part of our elite decision making group? Just curious.

As much as you like the context of numbers, I am a little surprised that you haven't dug into Heupel's 6-4 season. He's paid to win, but there was quite a bit that contributed to the down year. And I seriously doubt he was on the hot seat if his UCF boss rehired him at UT.

And there is no small irony that Frost's UCF beat Gus's AU for the "national championship".

 

[drvenner]

Maybe the 2000 are all on VN. Ever think about that?

I know that I am one of them.

 

[drvenner]

Dude has a canon for sure.. I don't know how to feel.. he looks great for a series, and then I get JG vibes on others. With a solid WR corp, I think he's completing 60ish percent of his passes.. Def wouldn;t mind if he brought Ronnie Bell (#8) with him

I hope his canon is "make good throws."

 

[drvenner]

I'm pretty certain that I heard a couple weeks ago that Drew Locke was the least accurate starting quarterback in the entire NFL last year. In fact, he was 35th, behind some QB's that qualified statistically but weren't full-time starters.

Well, Dooley was his OC his Senior season.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I know that I am one of them.

If you could just get someone to fix that VCR you'd be in business.