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ChattaTNVol said:
I watch a lot of film – of other coaches on our schedule or just out of curiosity. I remember watching Gus Malzahn after we beat them in 2018. It was bad. He was under tremendous pressure and it showed.

Yesterday I watched Malzahn’s and Gabriel’s post spring game interviews at UCF. I figure we have an interest since we’re paying Gus’ salary for the next three years. Anyway, Gus looks 10 years younger, looks like he’s been on vacation at the beach for a month or so. I’ve never seen the guy look so upbeat and enjoying himself.

Gabriel seemed to have a similar demeanor. He had an ever present smile as he spoke with the media for about 8 minutes. He was a happy kid.

We took a first time HC that went 12-1, 10-3, and 6-4 at a G5 “powerhouse” and challenged him to turn around the UT football program? Then we hired Gus Malzahn to turn around the program that Heupel had trending in an unfavorable direction? smfh.

I’m just hoping CJH isn’t our Chad Morris, you know, the elite P5 OC (Clemson) who took a first time HC gig at a G5 school (big east SMU) and had them at least trending in the RIGHT direction, then is hired by Arkansas where he doesn’t win a single conference game in two years and is fired after 8 games into his second season.

The way I have it figured is White begged Heupel to take the job here because no one else would give him the time of day and his closing argument to Heupel was, you know the next AD there at UCF is going to fire you next year if you can’t turn the program around there. We hired a guy on the hot seat at a G5 school and challenged him to turn the program around at Tennessee. Okay.

LA, you seemed to be pretty well wired into what is going on with the UT football program across multiple coaching regimes so I’m wondering if you are part of our elite decision making group? Just curious.
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6-4 is an outlier. They had issues with defensive covid opt outs and injuries which is a bigger deal at that level with the depth you have compared to SEC. drop off when you lose starters is bigger. You also have to deep dive into the 4 losses. Huepel has only one game in his career as a double digit loss. I researched it when he was hired but he was a missed FG and some red one Gabriel turnovers away from a 1-2 loss season instead. The games came down to a chance to win in the final possessions.

I have no clue if the dude will save the program but people always using the 4 loss season this yr in covid season and not bothering to dig deeper into why it happened is annoying
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Honestly for me I just hope Heupel is rolling well enough OU comes calling when Riley heads to the NFL in 4 or 5 years
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I'm just relieved that we proactively got rid of Pruitt before his imminent success here and then subsequently Kiffined us in the middle of the night by taking the Bama job when Saban finally retires, which we all know Pruitt is destined to do. Oh what mattress-burning, weeping and gnashing of teeth we were spared when our hero left for Bama!
 
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UTMVol76 said:
Not sure if you're Josh'n or not, but IMO we shouldn't fear CJH flipping to OU if that opportunity comes (and praying that means he's rocking it here)
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Not serious, I'm mostly saying I hope he's successful enough here the board is worried about such a thing.

I think OU may have burnt their shot at him when Stoops fired him (instead of his poorly performing brother) and then them elevating Riley when the position opened up instead of going after Heupel.


We'll See ;)

I like to be optimistic every off-season. It's more fun than being pessimistic and pissing in everyone's cereal.
 
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I just hope we can beat Vandy, KY, SCar, and Mizzou. Competing with Florida and UGA will always be the dream, but I'm gonna be really bummed if we can't be at least third in the East.
 
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Smokeytom said:
Y’all are lying to yourselves if you don’t think you’ll be judging Heupel hard in year 3. We should have a pretty good idea of what we’ve got by then. Year 4 and 5 should be 9+ wins if he’s the coach we want long term. We should see signs of that by year 3 though no doubt.
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Year 3? Hell, I'll be judging him this year.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
And even I didn't get as low as Heupel, someone you're pumping up now but would have been outraged had I suggested him in December.
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Wrong. Go back and look at my posts when it was first reported that Heupel was someone we were talking to, before we hired him. At first, I didn't think Heupel would be good because all I saw was his 6-4 record. But looking into that, and realizing he had the number 2 offense and the only problem was his defense, I had high hopes that if we hired him that he would be good with the right defensive staff. I spent the night his name emerged talking people off the ledge. I'm also a homer and not ashamed.

But buddy... Tee Martin isn't as low as Heupel? Delusional...
 
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Smokeytom said:
Y’all are lying to yourselves if you don’t think you’ll be judging Heupel hard in year 3. We should have a pretty good idea of what we’ve got by then. Year 4 and 5 should be 9+ wins if he’s the coach we want long term. We should see signs of that by year 3 though no doubt.
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Depends. Does he win 7-8 games in year 3? or is he missing a bowl game? If he is winning 7-8 he gets a pass, especially if we can see that one piece is missing or something. but if we're missing bowl games, then yeah, he will be, and should be.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Wrong. Go back and look at my posts when it was first reported that Heupel was someone we were talking to, before we hired him. At first, I didn't think Heupel would be good because all I saw was his 6-4 record. But looking into that, and realizing he had the number 2 offense and the only problem was his defense, I had high hopes that if we hired him that he would be good. I spent the night his name emerged talking people off the ledge. I'm also a homer and not ashamed.

But buddy... Tee Martin isn't as low as Heupel? Delusional...
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You're horrible at talking people off the ledge. Months later and I'm still here.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Wrong. Go back and look at my posts when it was first reported that Heupel was someone we were talking to, before we hired him. At first, I didn't think Heupel would be good because all I saw was his 6-4 record. But looking into that, and realizing he had the number 2 offense and the only problem was his defense, I had high hopes that if we hired him that he would be good with the right defensive staff. I spent the night his name emerged talking people off the ledge. I'm also a homer and not ashamed.

But buddy... Tee Martin isn't as low as Heupel? Delusional...
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Lol I'm not arguing Tee would be better - and the only time I advocated for him was when it seemed like Pruitt was coming back. It was basically an "anything would be better than this guy" idea.

Anyway, I'm not sure the results will be substantially different between Heupel, Tee, Dykes, Elliot, Chadwell, etc. We needed a homerun and we didn't get it.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
He can throw it the length of the field
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Is he Uncle Rico's boy by chance?

iu
 
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Weezer said:
Year 3? Hell, I'll be judging him this year.
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I'm judging him this year on the fact that the roster he's inherited is the best roster any of our coaches since the Fulmer transition to Kiffin. I judging him on the level of effort we see given each week, weather or not the kids finish the game, and how his offense stacks up against SEC defenses. I'm judging him based on the impact his coaching staff has as a cohesive unit, and how he handles the rigors of an SEC schedule, and how he adapts from week to week.

For me the judgement bar in terms of wins and losses sits at 6. I don't think that's an unfair expectation based on this team's talent.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Lol I'm not arguing Tee would be better - and the only time I advocated for him was when it seemed like Pruitt was coming back. It was basically an "anything would be better than this guy" idea.

Anyway, I'm not sure the results will be substantially different between Heupel, Tee, Dykes, Elliot, Chadwell, etc. We needed a homerun and we didn't get it.
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Once again. you have no idea. But keep on.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Lol I'm not arguing Tee would be better - and the only time I advocated for him was when it seemed like Pruitt was coming back. It was basically an "anything would be better than this guy" idea.

Anyway, I'm not sure the results will be substantially different between Heupel, Tee, Dykes, Elliot, Chadwell, etc. We needed a homerun and we didn't get it.
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LA pointed to this and I tend to agree. I think had you just made the move to fire Fulmer and Pruitt without any sort of investigation you could have gone for the homerun.

I think Heupel is solid, and he's still young in his career so I definitely think he could become a legit homerun type coach. I for sure hope that's the case at least.
 
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