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Vols4us said:
Good post, doc.

I have never understood why people always want to follow somebody else's path to success instead of taking their own. That is clearly what happened with not just the Gump, but also with Botch. Both were poor imitations of the guy that helped them get the job (Saban/Kelly) who had blazed their own paths to success. In both cases UT's "leadership" chose imitator/wannabes. That stuff happens across the spectrum in sports and all other aspects of society. We have seen it play out with the LV program. Yeah, let's select deputy Holly to run it into the ground because Pat wants her. Uh, even a legend like Pat should not have the right to dictate the path of the program because she was not exactly setting the woods on fire before her diagnosis. The game had moved on from her method of play. So should have the program. Dools was just a SEC blue blood buddy deal panic hire. A total whiff.

You might take a hit for a time with team performance as the system changes and roster is rebuilt, but in the long run it is worth it. Fulmer and his system was done. It was the decision making after it that was screwed up. In Gumpland - when Bear was done, Stallings briefly raised it up, then Saban took it to new heights. In between was pain. You just try to make the period in between as short as possible. That is where UT leadership failed. They never learned to quit compounding the problem. We go barren wasteland until new growth starts slowly building. Just look at the history of the program.

Hire the very best like Bama did, or, hire the very best innovator at the time who has been successful in previous stops like UF did with Meyer.

IMO UT finally did the later with Heup.
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I think it's fine to take some of what you have learned from mentors who you are trying to match success with, but I agree, you have to own it and blaze your own trail.
 
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UpstateVol613 said:
With the Arky series being at full capacity this weekend has Wolken made a prediction yet on how many people are going to die?
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Incoming....

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thunderduck17 said:
"OLB's" in my depth chart like Baron and Young will have their hand on the ground some, mainly rushing the passer. OLB, DE, JACK...call them what you want to, they will be pass rushers primarily. Everyone's base defense nowadays is 5 DB's...not really a true 3-4 or 4-3 anymore.
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You have 3 DT’s and 2 OLB’s...that’s a 5-2-4.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I could be proven wrong, but I don't think "winning now" is an option.

Sign high school players you like and can get four years out from. Don't chase transfers who rarely make a big impact.
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I’m usually on board with no transfers, but Mullen has proven me wrong as much as I’d hate to say it. Some of those guys may not be NFL guys, but they do help that team win.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I could be proven wrong, but I don't think "winning now" is an option.

Sign high school players you like and can get four years out from. Don't chase transfers who rarely make a big impact.
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Curious as to your thoughts on the portal and how it impacts HS classes going forward? In listening to Brock Huard and EJ Manuel on their afternoon show on ESPNU radio yesterday, they and their guests were discussing that leaving numerous spots for transfers will be the 'norm' going forward. And while I agree that historically the 4 year HS player model is how teams have been built, one could argue the failure rate of HS vs. Transfer player is similar.

Another point to take into consideration is that, up until recent history, kids going the transfer route were largely under performing, or disciplinary risks, which were why they were there to begin with. In today's landscape we're seeing more and more kids that are there for reasons like being buried on an extremely deep depth chart or having the opportunity to change their minds because of a coaching change, or just because. To me, the stigma of the transfer player has all but evaporated. I tend to think the days of filling a class with 25 HS kids is gone.
 
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drvenner said:
I think it's fine to take some of what you have learned from mentors who you are trying to match success with, but I agree, you have to own it and blaze your own trail.
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Yeah - the wheel is still the wheel. Already developed. Just learn the physics of its use and adjust it to make it go faster and roll smoother.

Trying to copy what Bama does, or Clemson does, or whoever else does with second fiddle coaches is idiotic. Different environments, different strengths/weaknesses, unproven leadership, etc.
 
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