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SweetasSoda said:
Apparently JP made everything easy to prove. Thought he was at AL or GA where there are not whistleblowers.
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LA basically implied as much last week. I also inferred from him that the cover up stretches to the conference level for the elect, which is no surprise. We don’t have that cover right now. Fulmer and Pruitt were both guilty and defiant.

Donde acted then went to the press because Fulmer left her no choice.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
I don't understand the interest in her at all.

Once she hired Danny White, the days of her thinking about the football team, or any sport for that matter, were over. Is she going to give DW the resources he wants? That's where her involvement in athletics begins and ends at this point. All signs point to yes, so who cares?

As far as the firing of Pruitt, I still want someone to explain to me what exactly she was supposed to do differently, except possibly fire everyone in November. Whistleblower shows up to your office with damning evidence and you do nothing. What are you gonna do when that Whistleblower sends the same damning evidence to the NCAA instead, like what happened at ASU? Put a hit on him mafia style? As far as I'm concerned she has done the obvious at every step. There isn't anything to do once internal people in your program are willing to go Whistleblower. There were no good options after that.
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I think it’s fair to say this isn’t the first time a someone has come forward. The optics were she used it to fire him. A whistleblower takes it to the media for punishment or some other entity to inflict punishment. This feels like something else. It came from inside. I’ll withhold my opinion of her until I see what the NCAA does to us. Because they have so little resources. And contrary to popular opinion I don’t believe they’re out to get us.
 
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Smokeytom said:
I think the impact of the investigation on recruiting is overblown. The investigation kept us from bringing in a household name HC, and because of that, this was always going to be a “see it to believe it” year in recruiting. This class will live or die based on our performance this fall.
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This x100.

FTR I would much rather them tell players to wait and see our performance in the Fall rather than load up with a bunch of reaches who aren’t SEC quality. We are going to have to out scheme/steal a win in the Fall. Personally I think our last 15 years has more to do with recruiting than the investigation.
 
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Maybe it's simple...we can't possibly "play the game" right now. Maybe this is just how we would recruit if we never cheated, while everyone else continued. I mean...it's tough for anyone to compete when every other school is offering bags.

Just imagine if UGA or UF couldn't either. Doubt uga would top be 10, nor would UF be top 15 either.
 
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Just imagine trying to convince a 2020er that, after 12 years of abysmal failure...rather than pushing a top 10 class and cashing in on our late 2019 success, that we would instead go 3-7, be caught for cheating, Fulmer gone, whole new staff.

I know this is about 5 months late...it's just so amazing how we find ways to dig deeper smh. Truly amazing.
 
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Smokeytom said:
I think the impact of the investigation on recruiting is overblown. The investigation kept us from bringing in a household name HC, and because of that, this was always going to be a “see it to believe it” year in recruiting. This class will live or die based on our performance this fall.
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Uncertainty and perceived unrealistic fan expectations prevented us from bringing in household name HC. Coaches know this is not a 3-4 year turn around to the National Championship, Not sure all Vols fans realize it.
I hate to say it because he really did need to go, but coaches hold it against us that we fired Butch. They see it as the school and fan base being unrealistic after his two 9-4 seasons.
 
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Smokeytom said:
I think the impact of the investigation on recruiting is overblown. The investigation kept us from bringing in a household name HC, and because of that, this was always going to be a “see it to believe it” year in recruiting. This class will live or die based on our performance this fall.
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I think you're wrong on the impact of the investigation. A couple of recruits have even mentioned the uncertainty hanging over Tennessee while choosing other schools. And I have zero doubt other coaches are neg recruiting us with it.
 
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Ace said:
Other teams knew. It was common knowledge. Not a lot of tattle telling in college football, but it only takes one.
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It takes more than telling….. it takes proof but even if they prove it….. I have watched the ncaa a long time and it does t seem like the penalties are any different whether you investigate it yourself or if they find the evidence themselves.
 
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Devo182 said:
Just imagine trying to convince a 2020er that, after 12 years of abysmal failure...rather than pushing a top 10 class and cashing in on our late 2019 success, that we would instead go 3-7, be caught for cheating, Fulmer gone, whole new staff.

I know this is about 5 months late...it's just so amazing how we find ways to dig deeper smh. Truly amazing.
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Tennessee football gives new meaning to plumbing the depths.
 
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Smokeytom said:
I think the impact of the investigation on recruiting is overblown. The investigation kept us from bringing in a household name HC, and because of that, this was always going to be a “see it to believe it” year in recruiting. This class will live or die based on our performance this fall.
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You are right about on field performance. This staff has retooled defense and I think we may be better than expected.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It takes more than telling….. it takes proof but even if they prove it….. I have watched the ncaa a long time and it does t seem like the penalties are any different whether you investigate it yourself or if they find the evidence themselves.
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Lots of proof and recruits were talking
It was not if, but when
Cleaning house was the only option
 
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Ten_Titans said:
No... You can't. The whistleblower would have just turned to the NCAA the second Plowman ignored it.

Case in point: That is EXACTLY what happened at Arizona State.

Any chance of firing Pruitt for performance was gone when Plowman was involved.
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The whistleblower would have broke my number one rule….. never do anything to harm the football program….that whistleblower would have been unemployed within a couple weeks due to “covid related cutbacks”. I would have forced the ncaa to prove what they could and lawyered up to fight them…. When asked questions…. I wouldn’t have denied anything but used a lot of nonsense….. I don’t recall…. That’s not my recollection….I may be misremembering but…. I don’t consider the ncaa a just organization so I would not treat it like it is one.
 
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Weezer said:
I think you're wrong on the impact of the investigation. A couple of recruits have even mentioned the uncertainty hanging over Tennessee while choosing other schools. And I have zero doubt other coaches are neg recruiting us with it.
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If you're looking for an excuse...any'll do. I know the optics matter somewhat more than reality and aren't ideal, but what does it really mean to that recruit? "Well dadgummit, y'all aren't going to a bowl my freshman or RS freshman/sophomore season, so I'm going to <insert name with comparable 15-year results here>". I also understand those comparable schools are twisting it violently negative, but still...the recruit's exposure is only going to be limited to the regular season and their contributions? TV contracts, SEC, and winning one or two we shouldn't...there shouldn't be a shortage of players' exposure. We're not getting to the playoffs in their first two or three years anyhow, so it's just hard for me to wrap my head around the reality that it (alone) has nuked recruiting and the program.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It takes more than telling….. it takes proof but even if they prove it….. I have watched the ncaa a long time and it does t seem like the penalties are any different whether you investigate it yourself or if they find the evidence themselves.
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It's certainly part of their process. Some said it's why Mizzou was punished pretty harshly for what seemed to be not a huuge issue. They didn't catch it. It took some tutor coming forth iirc.

Common auditing criteria - the internal controls in place are about as important as anything.
 
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