Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Devo182]

I mean, we said the same thing about every other previous coach when they had that one thing that apparently made them stand out.....didn’t work.

Do I think Heupel will turn it around? Absolutely.

But “Pruitt is the defensive guru” or “Butch will turn it around, his recruiting is elite” now Heupel is the “QB guru”

If we beat Pitt by 21+ with Milton, I’ll eat the biggest crow .

You're not wrong, but surely we aren't the only school in the country where the coach's strong suit never pans out...ever...I mean we have to be due at this point...right?!?

 

[Ten_Titans]

I agree...I hope they don't get so enamoured with his size, arm and athletic abilities that they get blinded to the fact he sucks at throwing the ball accurately. I can't take that frustrating crap anymore.

Heupel called him an accurate passer today. Better email him and make sure he knows accuracy is important.

 

[cgarner30]

Played them every year, back then, too. Didn't know as many players from there, tho. I did play basketball with Terry and DC Smith at The Boy's Club, who went to West, tho

Went to Tyson Middle with Terry and DC, and my wife went to West with them. Knoxville really is a small town.

 

[Devo182]

I don't really get that. If Heupel can turn around Drew Lock he can turn around Milton. He has the best arm and the most athleticism of any QB we have.

Limited data, but Milton hasn't killed it on the ground bigly.

Milton: 3.1 YPC (career) - 2.9 YPC last year

Hooker: 4.2 YPC (Career) - 5.2 YPC last year


Maurer also has averaged 3.5 YPC. HB was -1.2 YPC.


For context - Dobbs averaged 4.9 YPC career. High of 5.5 YPC SR year.

Other context - I've read UM lost their entire 2019 OL for the 2020 season. It's possible his OL was just trash and he was put it into bad situations...then again, so was Dobbs...soo not sure how much a crutch that should be considered for an athletic type of QB either.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Limited data, but Milton hasn't killed it on the ground bigly.

Milton: 3.1 YPC (career) - 2.9 YPC last year

Hooker: 4.2 YPC (Career) - 5.2 YPC last year


Maurer also has averaged 3.5 YPC. HB was -1.2 YPC.


For context - Dobbs averaged 4.9 YPC career. High of 5.5 YPC SR year.

Other context - I've read UM lost their entire 2019 OL for the 2020 season. It's possible his OL was just trash and he was put it into bad situations...then again, so was Dobbs...soo.

Don’t worry, he is guaranteed to turn it around since we have the “QB Guru” now just like Pruitt turned our defense around, ya feel me?

All I’m saying is wait till after the Pitt game.

 

[Girth Brooks]

 

[ACvol3]

Don’t worry, he is guaranteed to turn it around since we have the “QB Guru” now

If I had to bet, I’d bet on Bailey. If HB doesn’t get the nod, I trust that there’s a reason why. I’m not sure how CJH will do in a lot of aspects of coaching here, but I’m confident in his QB knowledge

 

[Sphynx]

I don't really get that. If Heupel can turn around Drew Lock he can turn around Milton. He has the best arm and the most athleticism of any QB we have.

Meanwhile I think Harrison Bailey can be the guy, but I don't get the argument that he has to be the guy. Two good throws in the Spring game and a mediocre at absolute best freshman year aren't all that convincing to me.

Two good throws? He was 12 of 16 for 260 (75%). As for last year (his freshman year) he was 48 of 68 for 578 (70% ). The first thing to jump out when watching Harrison play is he knows to check down to the TE or RB. You may want to re-watch his games. He doesn't have to be the guy, but I would bet he will end up being the guy.

 

[TrippieRedd]

If I had to bet, I’d bet on Bailey. If HB doesn’t get the nod, I trust that there’s a reason why. I’m not sure how CJH will do in a lot of aspects of coaching here, but I’m confident in his QB knowledge

Were you confident in Pruitt’s defense knowledge? If so, that’s all that needs to be said.

I’m just saying wait till we see a game before we start labeling him this and that and saying “Milton will be good since we have Heupel”

 

[SSVol]

Were you confident in Pruitt’s defense knowledge? If so, that’s all that needs to be said.

I’m just saying wait till we see a game before we start labeling him this and that and saying “Milton will be good since we have Heupel”

Heupel has been successful on offense at two different schools who don't have top 5 classes every year, including a mediocre SEC team. He has also been successful as a head coach. B. Cornbread was successful calling defense for championship teams, but did so with championship caliber players. Not the same.

Heupel may fail, but I don't think history is the reason why.

 

[volsagain]

If I had to bet, I’d bet on Bailey. If HB doesn’t get the nod, I trust that there’s a reason why. I’m not sure how CJH will do in a lot of aspects of coaching here, but I’m confident in his QB knowledge

He has proven it with less talent which is what jp didn't do . But still this year is a wait and see. I am causely optimistic .

 

[Devo182]

Don’t worry, he is guaranteed to turn it around since we have the “QB Guru” now just like Pruitt turned our defense around, ya feel me?

All I’m saying is wait till after the Pitt game.

Not sure we'll learn much by game 2. Hype has had, what, a dozen or however many practices so far with these guys and 0 with Milton? I'd at least give him till mid-late season, minimum.

Personally, not going to hold him to the fire until next season regarding his positional specialty tbh.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Heupel has been successful on offense at two different schools who don't have top 5 classes every year, including a mediocre SEC team. He has also been successful as a head coach. B. Cornbread was successful calling defense for championship teams, but did so with championship caliber players. Not the same.

Heupel may fail, but I don't think history is the reason why.

I’m not saying he will fail. Literally all I’m saying is let’s wait till a game before we starting labeling him this or that.

I may have came off the wrong way about it, if so I apologize.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Not sure we'll learn much by game 2. Hype has had, what, a dozen or however many practices so far with these guys and 0 with Milton? I'd at least give him till mid-late season, minimum.

Personally, not going to hold him to the fire until next season regarding his positional specialty tbh.

I’m not even saying fire him lmao. All I’m saying is wait to label Heupel. He may not need to be a QB guru, if he can just manage a game well, then I’ll be far more impressed.

 

[ACvol3]

Were you confident in Pruitt’s defense knowledge? If so, that’s all that needs to be said.

I’m just saying wait till we see a game before we start labeling him this and that and saying “Milton will be good since we have Heupel”

Just because one “expert” failed, doesn’t mean they all will though.
But here’s the difference there - CJP looked good bc of bama, uga, FSU talent.. that’s been proven.
CJH looked good with mizzou/USF talent. big difference

 

[Devo182]

Heupel has been successful on offense at two different schools who don't have top 5 classes every year, including a mediocre SEC team. He has also been successful as a head coach. B. Cornbread was successful calling defense for championship teams, but did so with championship caliber players. Not the same.

Heupel may fail, but I don't think history is the reason why.

Saban's coordinators seem pretty meaningless at this point. He's pretty much perfected the optimal offensive and defensive schemes and the coordinators are essentially babysitting Nick's 5 stars. CJP had no idea how to do things once he lost his daddy and 5 stars. Absolutely nothing like what Heupel has been through during his career.

 

[ACvol3]

He has proven it with less talent which is what jp didn't do . But still this year is a wait and see. I am causely optimistic .

Sorry, I didn’t see this before I posted.. what this dude said ^

 

[ACvol3]

I’m not saying he will fail. Literally all I’m saying is let’s wait till a game before we starting labeling him this or that.

I may have came off the wrong way about it, if so I apologize.

You came off sounding like CJH doesn’t know what he’s doing if he doesn’t start Bailey

 

[volsagain]

Sorry, I didn’t see this before I posted.. what this dude said ^

Well you did explain it better . Guess I'm really excited optimistic . The offense has to be better minus a lot of variables .

 

[TrippieRedd]

You came off sounding like CJH doesn’t know what he’s doing if he doesn’t start Bailey

More or less I think Milton will be trash, and I’m tired of people saying Heupel will turn him around. Just wait and see first. Someone will be wrong. That’s it.

 

[Devo182]

Speaking of Milton, I always liked this bit from an Ubben/TA article after he committed to transferring here:

Former Michigan quarterback Joe Milton was assessing the options for his future with Donovan Dooley, his private coach and the founder of Quarterback University. Milton liked what he’d heard from Josh Heupel and Tennessee’s new offensive staff. They told him how fast they wanted to play and showed him what previous quarterbacks had done in the offense. They told him how well his skill set would fit.

He was pretty sure he wanted to head to Rocky Top.

Dooley, sensing the excitement in his pupil’s voice, offered a warning. The Vols already had a transfer quarterback in ex-Virginia Tech starter Hendon Hooker. They already had Harrison Bailey, the No. 3 pro-style QB recruit in the Class of 2020 who closed last season as the starter. They had Brian Maurer, who has starting experience, and they signed four-star Kaidon Salter in the 2021 recruiting class.

“He looked at me and said, ‘I’m not worried about anything. They’re not Joe Milton. I’m OK,’” Dooley said. “So I was like, ‘Oh, ****. OK.’ So since he’s not worried about it, I’m not worried about it.”

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I mean, we said the same thing about every other previous coach when they had that one thing that apparently made them stand out.....didn’t work.

Do I think Heupel will turn it around? Absolutely.

But “Pruitt is the defensive guru” or “Butch will turn it around, his recruiting is elite” now Heupel is the “QB guru”

If we beat Pitt by 21+ with Milton, I’ll eat the biggest crow .

Sure, but Heup has been doing this for 15 years, 2 Heisman winners, multiple draft picks, top ranked offenses as a HC and OC. Pruitt had never been a HC and it was too much for him. He’d be a DC at Bama today if not for the cheating.

Locke was 49% 4 touchdowns to 8 interceptions the year before Heup. Then what happened? I mean, it’s like questioning Peyton about offense.

If he says Milton is the best QB on the roster, then he’s the one we should all get behind

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Limited data, but Milton hasn't killed it on the ground bigly.

Milton: 3.1 YPC (career) - 2.9 YPC last year

Hooker: 4.2 YPC (Career) - 5.2 YPC last year


Maurer also has averaged 3.5 YPC. HB was -1.2 YPC.


For context - Dobbs averaged 4.9 YPC career. High of 5.5 YPC SR year.

Other context - I've read UM lost their entire 2019 OL for the 2020 season. It's possible his OL was just trash and he was put it into bad situations...then again, so was Dobbs...soo not sure how much a crutch that should be considered for an athletic type of QB either.

He’s a bruiser runner, not a guy like Dobbs who is hard to hit

 

[TrippieRedd]

Sure, but Heup has been doing this for 15 years, 2 Heisman winners, multiple draft picks, top ranked offenses as a HC and OC. Pruitt had never been a HC and it was too much for him. He’d be a DC at Bama today if not for the cheating.

Locke was 49% 4 touchdowns to 8 interceptions the year before Heup. Then what happened? I mean, it’s like questioning Peyton about offense.

If he says Milton is the best QB on the roster, then he’s the one we should all get behind

We will see. Hope he does.

 

[SSVol]

More or less I think Milton will be trash, and I’m tired of people saying Heupel will turn him around. Just wait and see first. Someone will be wrong. That’s it.

Being optimistic is tiresome to you? That's sad.

I'd say eat a Snickers, but maybe something stronger would help more.