Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[cHiZzLeVOL]

More to arm TALENT than arm STRENGTH.

I can agree with this, but, Milton in the videos was throwing with touch on his passes, if this is true he will remain ahead of Bailey.

The scrimmages are about the be the biggest deciding factor (especially with two back to back - which I think was done to name a starter) and if Milton shows good judgement on throws I don’t think Bailey can pull off the start….

Just too much upside with Milton (better arm strength, mobility, bigger, quickness)

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Homermania is running wild in VolNation. Make sure you buy those season tickets before they sell out.

If we average 35-38 points per game, which I think is doable with JH’s resume. What would you say our record should be?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

No one is saying we're going to compete for SEC or National titles this season, hell we're talking about not having a .500 or below record. The fact remains, this team is not devoid of talent, and we're excited to see what steps forward this new coaching staff can take this season.

I'm cautiously hopeful that we're going to finally get this thing right, knowing full well it'll take several years to actually build back the success we want and the respect this brand deserves. Is that a naive thought process? Don't think so, no more naive than thinking we're never going to be good again. Takes no effort at all to bitch and moan about how bad we've been though does it?

We know, and can guarantee, that we will take steps on offense, specifically QB, and at DL. That alone is enough to propel us to much better than we were last year.

 

[ACvol3]

We have Atleast 2 or 3 backs better than chandler on this roster, IMO

 

[pierce60]

Gray #2 at RB
Wanya projected to start
Ty projected to start
JJ back up LT

Cool. Thank you!

 

[ACvol3]

If we average 35-38 points per game, which I think is doable with JH’s resume. What would you say our record should be?

9-3

 

[itsme]

Pons has the athleticism and size to compete in the league, but he's gonna have to develop his shot. If he can extend his range and make >35%, he can play for ten years.

With his athleticism and ability to guard PG-PF he will stay in the league for a while anyway. If he learns to shoot the corner three consistently he'll make $50M over his career.

 

[Geaux_Vols]

Good. I want to absolutely shock these people.

 

[Jack Burton]

If we average 35-38 points per game, which I think is doable with JH’s resume. What would you say our record should be?

6 wins at most. Butch and Pruitt won 5 their first season and Dooley won 6. Heupel is a better coach than those, but probably has the worst roster to work with. We’ll score points but we can’t stop decent teams from scoring on us.

 

[Ten_Titans]

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[Catbone]

6 wins at most. Butch and Pruitt won 5 their first season and Dooley won 6. Heupel is a better coach than those, but probably has the worst roster to work with. We’ll score points but we can’t stop decent teams from scoring on us.

We have more talent on offense than those teams but yeah defensively it's going to be rough. Lots of 38-31 type games

 

[Ten_Titans]

6 wins at most. Butch and Pruitt won 5 their first season and Dooley won 6. Heupel is a better coach than those, but probably has the worst roster to work with. We’ll score points but we can’t stop decent teams from scoring on us.

Bet the mortgage.

https://mobile.betonline.ag/sports

Over/under is at 6. Push at worst.

 

[Revived2002]

Good. I want to absolutely shock these people.

This year might be the first time in a long time we could truly shock the world. There are absolutely no expectations for this team. I believe 6-6 is a good baseline, and I'm still very much there. But I can see the case for a stronger finish than that. Among other things, we have a deeper roster than I originally thought and the buzz on some new players (B. Young!) is reaching Cordarrelle Patterson levels, which makes me think it is legit.

Time will tell. I'm excited to get the season started.

 

[VolGee4]

6 wins at most. Butch and Pruitt won 5 their first season and Dooley won 6. Heupel is a better coach than those, but probably has the worst roster to work with. We’ll score points but we can’t stop decent teams from scoring on us.

You haven't done your homework. Butch had a worse roster and played at Oregon his first year. Also played 5 other top 11 teams, and that doesn't include UF. Mizzou was better then, Auburn was better than Ole Miss, USC was better then (although he won). Not all schedules are created equal. This is set up to win at least 6 and more like 7 or possibly 8.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

6 wins at most. Butch and Pruitt won 5 their first season and Dooley won 6. Heupel is a better coach than those, but probably has the worst roster to work with. We’ll score points but we can’t stop decent teams from scoring on us.

I don't think I'd say he has a worst roster. Unlike Butch (who inherited Dooley's squad) and Dooley (who inherited no squad). Heupel inherited a team that was recruited by a great staff (at recruiting) and has SEC talent/size/speed on roster. Yeah there was a bit more turnover than most would have wanted, but still think the foundation players are a bit better than what Butch or Dooley had, mainly on the LOS.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Good. I want to absolutely shock these people.

exactly. i like this.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

6 wins at most. Butch and Pruitt won 5 their first season and Dooley won 6. Heupel is a better coach than those, but probably has the worst roster to work with. We’ll score points but we can’t stop decent teams from scoring on us.

I disagree. This roster is not as bad. The team Butch inherited was terrible.

 

[Ten_Titans]

CJH has inherited the best Fall roster of Butch, Dooley, or Beldar.

Using the word inherited loosely because part of the reason for that is his use of the transfer portal, which was not avaliable to the previous staffs.

 

[Volbucky]

 

[butchna]

I've been cautiously optimistic in regards to what the offense will look like. Typical wait and see mode. But this continued narrative that we're going to be slaw on the defensive side of the ball based on a surface level glance at portal numbers is really starting to annoy. I can only take solace in the fact that this same lazy 'journalism' should be talking about how we've 'come out of nowhere' later in the year after we've seen this team outperform the stench of the last coaching staff.

It's evident that the college football landscape is moving faster than anyone can keep track of, because it's like no one is considering that we've used the portal to fill the gaps left by the attrition, and probably will need to do so for another year or two while CJH and company establish their recruiting classes on results not potential. I hope the league sleeps on us this year and we punch them all square in the mouth.

They’re not looking at the real numbers. Writers throw out the 30 something transfers and fail with context regarding walk-ons, dismissals by the previous staff and even players who hadn’t played in two years. The only regrettable LOSSES to me are Toto and Lawrence and Toto’s was mitigated by a more productive player. Would have been better to see what production Ellarbe could’ve coached out of Morris and Johnson, but they never did anything on the field worth pining over. My take is an extreme polar opposite but it’s thought out and I’m riding with it.

 

[Ten_Titans]

I disagree. This roster is not as bad. The team Butch inherited was terrible.

Pig Howard was a starter.

Much love for the guy, but Pig Howard would be lucky to get practice squad reps on this team.

 

[butchna]

I can agree with this, but, Milton in the videos was throwing with touch on his passes, if this is true he will remain ahead of Bailey.

The scrimmages are about the be the biggest deciding factor (especially with two back to back - which I think was done to name a starter) and if Milton shows good judgement on throws I don’t think Bailey can pull off the start….

Just too much upside with Milton (better arm strength, mobility, bigger, quickness)

Against air. If he’s the best at getting the ball into weapons hands in scrimmages and games, I have no quarrel. But talent in angles and hitting in stride don’t manifest themselves in what we’ve seen or been told is being seen by others.

 

[jakez4ut]

eh. it's mid august. we're all up in our feelz. factor in that blind spot, and i'd say 6-6 is still probably about right.

i think we've replaced some holes in the roster that we thought would be unfillable 4 months ago.

which is kind of a double edged sword....it's good that we filled those spots...it's maybe not so good that it is just that much more "new" that this program will have to deal with in yet another year 1 reboot.

i like pretty much everything i've seen so far from this staff, and i have no reason to think they're on the wrong track.

but i've no reason to think we're going to win 8 or 9 games either, in year 1. i think the offense will be entertaining/exciting. i think the defense may wind up being the most improved group by the end of the year. i just can't get to the point that says we're going to win all the games we're supposed to, and win a game we're not supposed to. year 1's are funny. you may win one you're not supposed to, but usually lose one you're not supposed to as well. where we fall on that spectrum...who knows.

to me, our season gets dictated by our record against Pitt, Missou, Ole Miss and UK....
3-1 non conf
0-3 uf, bama, uga
3-2, USCe, Vandy, Ole Miss, Mizzou, UK

 

[butchna]

Saw something pegging Chandler as one of the top 5 RBs in the ACC. He’s probably going to have a pretty good year behind Howell.

Believe it when I see it! Hate that expression but it seemed timely.

 

[VolGee4]

CJH has inherited the best Fall roster of Butch, Dooley, or Beldar.

Using the word inherited loosely because part of the reason for that is his use of the transfer portal, which was not avaliable to the previous staffs.

I think Pruitt inherited the best roster of the 4- that roster was just poorly developed by Butch's staff. If you consider where JJ, Callaway, Trey Smith, Palmer, Phillips, Taylor, Tuttle, Warrior are now along with Bituli, Deandre Johnson, Kivon Bennett, and Ty Chandler becoming solid college players. Pruitt's issue was all about the QB.