Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[screenthis]

I believe it will, pretty soon too.

Agreed. It feels like forever that we've picked up a recruit in BBALL or Football. Didn't Alabama BBALL just land 2 five star recruits?

 

[SoilVol]

". . . This means that Donde Plowman's sweeping decisions and the Tennessee administration's decisions to work hand-in-hand with the NCAA and listen to their suggestions have likely paid off. . .

For the past couple of months, sources close to the program have continued to strongly indicate to Volunteer Country on Sports Illustrated that Danny White and Plowman both have been pushing strongly to avoid a postseason ban due to the mass exodus of players and the decision to terminate multiple employees last January. . ."

~Sports Illustrated

Oh but I was told by couch potatoes on here that Plowman and White are p*ssies who were just gonna bend over for the NCAA?

 

[Orange Studs]

Well if Hubbs is correct that.... "Tennessee's case is not getting to the court anytime soon....it's years before you get there"....I'll simply watch my grandson get older as a VOL fan and let him fret over it when it's time !
Those that wish to fret over NCAA sanctions at this point in time are watching life pass them by !

Great news as far as I am concerned.

 

[BigSteve09]

Oh but I was told by couch potatoes on here that Plowman and White are p*ssies who were just gonna bend over for the NCAA?

The accusation(s) was that they are cowards that were bending over for the SEC, but yeah, same attitude

 

[UTProf]

Um, I believe about 30% of people arrested for DUI are repeat offenders.....

It is probably higher than that. Most of the DUIs that involve accidents are the same group of long time alcoholics and/or drug offenders that keep getting into trouble. When they stop driving cars, they get pulled over for driving lawn mowers or atvs and get hit again with yet another dui. The other group are one and dones. I don't see any reason to think a 22 year old is going to fall into the same group as the 60 year old who is arrested every other day on an alcohol related charge. Part of the problem is we're not distuingishing offenders very well.

There needs to be harsher penalties for the guy that gets drunk and has an alcohol related rap sheet a mile long. Those are usually the ones involved in fatal accidents eventually (that makes this case a little bit unique - bc usually the ones causing accidents are long time offenders). But for the most part the average college kid or working parent who goes out one night and catches a dui is a single time offender and they tend to not re-offend. If you're functioning in society - have a job and/or kids there's far too much to lose with even one DUI offense. They're financial and social nightmares for regular people.

For repeat offenders jail and taking away their driving privileges isn't stopping them. They just drive without a license or insurance the moment their jail or prison time is done. Mandatory on-site rehab (not day programs) followed by mandatory half-way house residency might because at least there they're constantly being monitored for alcohol and drug use.

 

[Devo182]

Ask Missouri fans how working with the NCAA went

Wasn't that partly lack of inst control? Could be wrong, that's what I remembered.

Cooperating is just one piece of the puzzle. But not doing it will make its way to the ruling as well as a level 1 violation.

I think you can easily find cases on both sides...it's hardly the end all, be all compared to the main violations.

Maybe we just let DW and DP let them do their thing before getting all riled up for something that hasn't even happened yet...or else some woulda fired DW the moment talk of TB to LSU was a thing...

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I’d appreciate some prayers for my family. Yesterday I lost my dad to a massive heart attack. He lives in Scotland so my family and I can’t attend the funeral because of COVID.

He was flawed but he was the person that got me into Tennessee Football. Always wore his power T proudly while there. Gonna miss the old man.

You got my prayers buddy...these Covid rules are freakin stupid and inhumane at this point.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

I’d appreciate some prayers for my family. Yesterday I lost my dad to a massive heart attack. He lives in Scotland so my family and I can’t attend the funeral because of COVID.

He was flawed but he was the person that got me into Tennessee Football. Always wore his power T proudly while there. Gonna miss the old man.

I am very sorry to hear about your Dad. Our deepest condolences. Our prayers are with you and your family.

 

[Ten_Titans]

Student allotment is a sellout for Georgia.

 

[UTSuave’]

I think it also matters that the person wants to change.
I've had a lot of close friends do serious prison time. Some came out and turned it around.
Others used prison like criminal college and were back in prison in no time Trailer Park Boys style.

 

[volbeast33]

Well if Hubbs is correct that.... "Tennessee's case is not getting to the court anytime soon....it's years before you get there"....I'll simply watch my grandson get older as a VOL fan and let him fret over it when it's time !
Those that wish to fret over NCAA sanctions at this point in time are watching life pass them by !

I’m not worried about the sanctions….. I’m worried about recruiting being affected by people using the threat of sanctions against us.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

He is no threat to anyone now. If he were a long time alcoholic with a history of dui then he could be assessed a threat to repeat the offense. This is the kind of mistake most people don't repeat. Removing him from society is punitive not corrective. Keeping him jailed doesn't protect us, it simply punishes.

Total f'n

 

[volbeast33]

But they haven’t investigated right?

We are working hand in hand with the NCAA…. We tell them we have finished….. the ncaa will decide if there are more people that they wish to interview…. They will then send us notice of allegations based on the results of that investigation…. We have a chance to respond if we don’t agree…. They will then announce whether they accept our punishment that we gave ourself or feel the need to add to the punishment.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

I mean if I'm the NCAA, with the likely blowback coming from Congress and OSU mess I'd just make a statement.

"The University of Tennessee worked quickly and effectively to remove coaches, staff, and players all involved in the violations that were uncovered by their internal investigation. It is for this reason the NCAA will hand down no further punishment to the University of Tennessee."

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

That was a 6:30 recruiting video. It seemed like CJH got to the media and said "Let's only ask questions that will help with recruiting".

You can do that when you are cordial with the media and a genuinely likable guy.
pyuirr and butch, not so much.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

My big toe has challenged you to Waffle House.

Weezer, as your great toe consulting physician, I feel that I am required to tell you that before you can even show nicksjuzunk your camel toe, he will have cut oss your toe and turned it into a medsllion on his necklace.
Ancient Thai warriors cut off the great toes of their enemies…can’t run as fast, cut, pivot, etc. @nicksjuzunk lived there too long to ignore the tradition…

Silver lining, fracture won’t hurt anymore. He will cauterize the wound

 

[butchna]

Two things in regards to the investigation....

1, the punishment that UT has self imposed has already been pre approved by the NCAA. If they've been working side by side the NCAA has deemed the punishment fits the crime. All JMO.

3, I said early on when people were hating on players for hitting the portal, many didn't have a choice. If they'd of stayed and played and Tennessee was aware of improper benefits, then the games they played an ineligible player, would have to be forfeited. They can transfer and the new school has no knowledge of the improper benefits and thus can't be held accountable. UT would have no obligation to share that with the new school and the players will be long gone before the players are implicated in scandal.

I have to wonder if Tootoo fell.in this category.

Either he didn’t or Heupel is a liar.

 

[Weezer]

He may be pregnant.

It wasn't me.

 

[tnhunter 10]

 

[UTJoe]

Weezer, as your great toe consulting physician, I feel that I am required to tell you that before you can even show nicksjuzunk your camel toe, he will have cut oss your toe and turned it into a medsllion on his necklace.
Ancient Thai warriors cut off the great toes of their enemies…can’t run as fast, cut, pivot, etc. @nicksjuzunk lived there too long to ignore the tradition…

Silver lining, fracture won’t hurt anymore. He will cauterize the wound

 

[Weezer]

If I had to guess all the OK players fell into that category. I'm not sure it's simply a coincidence that heupel's Alma mater is where they ended up. I could see coach helping those players and his former school and keeping them out of the SEC. Henry T maybe didn't play ball?

No. Heupel had nothing to do with them going to Oklahoma.

 

[Weezer]

Weezer, as your great toe consulting physician, I feel that I am required to tell you that before you can even show nicksjuzunk your camel toe, he will have cut oss your toe and turned it into a medsllion on his necklace.
Ancient Thai warriors cut off the great toes of their enemies…can’t run as fast, cut, pivot, etc. @nicksjuzunk lived there too long to ignore the tradition…

Silver lining, fracture won’t hurt anymore. He will cauterize the wound

Doc, you been giving yourself free whiffs of the laughing gas??

 

[UTSuave’]

Georgia standout defender being investigated on rape allegation, per report

 

[UTProf]

What form of punishment do you think would work? Honestly curious. My wife and I worked for a jail dog program in Fulton county for years and still work with the guys who have gotten out. I have a strong opinion on what works and what doesn’t by their own testimony. If you think jail time does not lead to corrective behavior then you are wrong. But sentences do not fit the crime in many circumstances and are for too long. So genuinely curious.

ok sorry but i'm going to be typing in non-caps until my keyboard gets replaced.... (weird thing going on with the caps lock and shift key)

so here's what i'd say... it really does depend upon the crime and it depends upon the individual. what works for one does not work for all. why and what the circumstances surrounding a given crime are matter as does the result. our system is meant to be reformative but we gave up on that idea long ago when we introduced overly punitive sentences and records that follow you for life and actively prevent you from being able to reintegrate and live a normal life on the outside. when your record follows you despite repayment of the debt you owed to society we incentivize folks to re-offend and make it nearly impossible to achieve a modicum of economic freedom

the first thing i would do is get rid of mandatory sentencing of anything. judges and jurors were meant to exercise judgement in matters and weigh not just guilt or innocence but also what appropriate sentencing should be. mandatory minimums have done nothing but cause problems and create absurdities (a homeless man who paid something like 2 dollars for a 3 dollar drink and faced life imprisonment under his state's 3 strikes law springs to mind). the second thing i'd do is allow for those convicted of crimes to petition to have their records sealed to the general public after a certain amount of time if certain conditions were met. there would be exceptions for certain crimes and occupations but we need to make re-integration into society easier not more difficult. third thing i'd do is make it easier for those convicted of crimes to relocate out of an area or state. losing touch with old friends and old foes can be the best thing to happen to someone looking to start over but often those released need sponsors and that's where church's and other groups could find an opening to get involved and help someone change their life for the better.

prisons themselves need to be more occupation and rehabilitation oriented. most of the men and women behind bars are getting out one day. the key to not going back is 1. economic and 2. social. people with jobs, families, and ties to a community are far more likely to stay out of trouble and instead contribute to that society than those who are dumped back into society with nothing but bad connections. teaching occupational skills, self-coping skills, anger management, as well as treating addiction are key to helping inmates reform and stay out of prison once released.

punishment has its place. some things have to be answered for but once we take that pound of flesh we can't keep demanding more and wonder why they end up back slinging dope or stealing to make a living.

 

[Weezer]

An update on the chronicles of my big toe, I went to the doctor today. Spiral fracture. Saw an orthopedist and they put me in a walking boot to be safe. Have to go back next week. If not for the fact I'm a diabetic, I'd have just let it be, but when you are diabetic, they emphasize taking care of your feet. Bad things can happens, and you can lose your feet if you're not careful.