Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[VolGee4]

I see everyone liking this post. I'm going ahead and feigning ignorance here. This article only speaks about our own actions of not self-imposing a bowl ban. What else is there to get out of this? What are some bullet items? Isn't an NCAA ruling still looming? Thanks.

Yes, but Plowman and White are getting advice from outside counsel who handle these things along with communicating with the NCAA. By them announcing that they will not self-impose a bowl ban, it means they don’t believe they will get one. I would guess they have a good idea, but you never know.

 

[VolzMan53]

Tennessee concludes football investigation, will not impose bowl ban

I know I am probably late on this, but Tennessee is going Double Gauldens to the ncaa!

correct me if I'm wrong in a most respectful way but aren't you usually a few days late anyways

 

[BaldBiker]

correct me if I'm wrong in a most respectful way but aren't you usually a few days late

He may be pregnant.

 

[Devo182]

Unfortunately, the brass at Tennessee doesn’t have the stones to do that. I wish they would.

Sorta tough, institutionally, when the higher ups know we are not only a member and along with other universities control the NCAA and its bylaws (and could change them), but some UT employees, administrators, faculty, and student-athletes are likely sitting committee members and an integral part of the governing body. Much of the NCAA structure is filled with university individuals after all, not separate employees.

 

[UTProf]

I want them punished!!!

That's fair and I believe he needs some punishment as well. My whole thing is don't confuse things. Restitution helps the families and in some cases punishment is corrective but in other cases (especially where there's no intent to harm) punishment is simply punishment. The latter does nothing to help anyone. It just is.

 

[Devo182]

Tennessee concludes football investigation, will not impose bowl ban

I know I am probably late on this, but Tennessee is going Double Gauldens to the ncaa!

If by Double Gauldens we mean having the NCAA by our side the entire investigation, then yes.

Even in the OSU case this was pointed out - not cooperating is a Level 1 Violation and that's part of what hurt them. This should help us some.

I'm also hoping we agreed to the Cooperative Summary Disposition Process. This seems to be one thing USCe and Alabama agreed to according to their case texts - and OSU did not it appears.

10-15 scholarships...some recruiting visits...and maybe we can move on...or not

 

[Jackcrevol]

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Whoa. The admin seeth...color me surpreezed.

 

[volbeast33]

Given the line is long on ongoing investigations, I don't feel we will hear from possible NCAA sanctions until at least later in 2022 if not later....IMHO.

That’s the main issue….it will still be used against us until they rule on it.

 

[jkleno]

It also hardly seems our the situation we've put ourselves in

It was $300 or did I miss something???

 

[headhunter15]

Love this dude!

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

That's fair and I believe he needs some punishment as well. My whole thing is don't confuse things. Restitution helps the families and in some cases punishment is corrective but in other cases (especially where there's no intent to harm) punishment is simply punishment. The latter does nothing to help anyone. It just is.

What form of punishment do you think would work? Honestly curious. My wife and I worked for a jail dog program in Fulton county for years and still work with the guys who have gotten out. I have a strong opinion on what works and what doesn’t by their own testimony. If you think jail time does not lead to corrective behavior then you are wrong. But sentences do not fit the crime in many circumstances and are for too long. So genuinely curious.

 

[Batman1948]

My toe is turning a nice shade of purple. Wondering if I should go to the doctor and get it x-rayed?

Just rub some dirt on it---man up

 

[#1GatorHater]

What form of punishment do you think would work? Honestly curious. My wife and I worked for a jail dog program in Fulton county for years and still work with the guys who have gotten out. I have a strong opinion on what works and what doesn’t by their own testimony. If you think jail time does not lead to corrective behavior then you are wrong. But sentences do not fit the crime in many circumstances and are for too long. So genuinely curious.

I think it also matters that the person wants to change.
I've had a lot of close friends do serious prison time. Some came out and turned it around.
Others used prison like criminal college and were back in prison in no time Trailer Park Boys style.

 

[Dooby15]

I hope so but the ncaa never sends the notice of allegations until the investigation is complete.

But they haven’t investigated right?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Two things in regards to the investigation....

1, the punishment that UT has self imposed has already been pre approved by the NCAA. If they've been working side by side the NCAA has deemed the punishment fits the crime. All JMO.

3, I said early on when people were hating on players for hitting the portal, many didn't have a choice. If they'd of stayed and played and Tennessee was aware of improper benefits, then the games they played an ineligible player, would have to be forfeited. They can transfer and the new school has no knowledge of the improper benefits and thus can't be held accountable. UT would have no obligation to share that with the new school and the players will be long gone before the players are implicated in scandal.

I have to wonder if Tootoo fell.in this category.

 

[VolzMan53]

That’s the main issue….it will still be used against us until they rule on it.

Well if Hubbs is correct that.... "Tennessee's case is not getting to the court anytime soon....it's years before you get there"....I'll simply watch my grandson get older as a VOL fan and let him fret over it when it's time !
Those that wish to fret over NCAA sanctions at this point in time are watching life pass them by !

 

[drvenner]

He is no threat to anyone now. If he were a long time alcoholic with a history of dui then he could be assessed a threat to repeat the offense. This is the kind of mistake most people don't repeat. Removing him from society is punitive not corrective. Keeping him jailed doesn't protect us, it simply punishes.

Um, I believe about 30% of people arrested for DUI are repeat offenders.....

 

[VFL1993]

Two things in regards to the investigation....

1, the punishment that UT has self imposed has already been pre approved by the NCAA. If they've been working side by side the NCAA has deemed the punishment fits the crime. All JMO.

3, I said early on when people were hating on players for hitting the portal, many didn't have a choice. If they'd of stayed and played and Tennessee was aware of improper benefits, then the games they played an ineligible player, would have to be forfeited. They can transfer and the new school has no knowledge of the improper benefits and thus can't be held accountable. UT would have no obligation to share that with the new school and the players will he long gone before the players are implicated in scandal.

I have to wonder if Tootoo fell.in this category.

I’m guessing it’s safe to assume that all of the ‘19 and ‘20 guys who were either starters or who were going to start (Key Lawrence) were probably involved.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I think it also matters that the person wants to change.
I've had a lot of close friends do serious prison time. Some came out and turned it around.
Others used prison like criminal college and were back in prison in no time Trailer Park Boys style.

100! That is the hardest part. Many go back to the same habits no matter what. It’s a hard cycle to break.

 

[Batman1948]

Unless it's broken enough to need surgery (shattered or dislocated), they'll just tape it to the next toe. You can do that yourself, while icing it often. Toes are the cash cow of doctors, they literally do nothing for you and still get paid.

If you have diabetes, doctors can be very helpful and they can remove some toes when it's necessary. One of my friends had diabetes and they removed three of his toes as the disease progressed. They eventually wanted to take his foot but he wouldn't let them. Sadly, a heart attack took him out.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I’m guessing it’s safe to assume that all of the ‘19 and ‘20 guys who were either starters or who were going to start (Key Lawrence) were probably involved.

If I had to guess all the OK players fell into that category. I'm not sure it's simply a coincidence that heupel's Alma mater is where they ended up. I could see coach helping those players and his former school and keeping them out of the SEC. Henry T maybe didn't play ball?

 

[pierce60]

One really smart move by Tennessee in their responses today is to paint the NCAA and anyone trying to use the recruiting scandal against Tennessee as the villain who is trying to punish innocent student athletes.

 

[chargervol]

"Tennessee feels strongly that the players involved in the alleged violations have transferred elsewhere and many will be in post-season play themselves. For the current players and recruits, putting to bed speculation on a possible bowl ban is a step forward from the cloud surrounding the program for the last year. . ."

Seriously, this, this right here.
Of course I'm more biased when it's TN, no doubt. But have always thought punishing innocent kids, when all guilty parties are gone, is 100% bull.

The NCAA punishing good guys but the guilty possibly still seeing rewards, is exactly what most would expect, *if left solely in their hands.
And that says everything about them.

 

[VolzMan53]

Henry T maybe didn't play ball?

Buck Weaver clone ?

 

[BigSteve09]

Ask Missouri fans how working with the NCAA went