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mr.checkerboards said:
Another honest question. In what game or what particular throw did Hooker do something that gives all this confidence in him? He made the throws that were there I'm not trying to take anything away from him, but most of the plays made were because the recievers were schemed wide open, or tempo and the DB just got burnt. When did he throw guys open or hit a guy in tight coverage, the big throws that need to be made in order to beat some of the better teams on our schedule? Honestly not trolling just trying to understand what others saw
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mr.checkerboards said:
Another honest question. In what game or what particular throw did Hooker do something that gives all this confidence in him? He made the throws that were there I'm not trying to take anything away from him, but most of the plays made were because the recievers were schemed wide open, or tempo and the DB just got burnt. When did he throw guys open or hit a guy in tight coverage, the big throws that need to be made in order to beat some of the better teams on our schedule? Honestly not trolling just trying to understand what others saw
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Mr Cheggarsboards. Our QB had an off game in MCB and threw for nearly 4hundy and 5 tds.

Geronimo was lucky to hit one open receiver a game.

Man Id walk this one back bud.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I'm not trying to say he sucks or did bad at all. I remember a few weeks ago Bass came in here and asked if Hooker had issues in big games. I dont think that's that's case at all, I think those teams are just better equipped to take care of his short comings. Hooker is a fine college QB that's going to win you 8 or so games but he's just not gonna get you over the hump imo.
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This is actually a fair point although we forget how bad the difference in QB play was when Milton was starting so it’s not fair to act like any QB can make those throws ..First off going into the year nobody had any idea Hooker was even an above average QB. His time at VT wasn’t great by any means. I think Hooker himself has improved his game over the years and im betting another year in this offense he will improve even more as a QB.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
Mr Cheggarsboards. Our QB had an off game in MCB and threw for nearly 4hundy and 5 tds.

Geronimo was lucky to hit one open receiver a game.

Man Id walk this one back bud.
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Nah. It's a serious question. He hits open guys I'm not denying that at all, but when has he thrown guys open? Off the top of my head there were 2 throws between defenders this year where he threw a guy open. One the post to Tillman that made it 10-9 against OM. The fade to Hyatt in the MCB bowl.
 
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Voltime123 said:
This is actually a fair point although we forget how bad the difference in QB play was when Milton was starting so it’s not fair to act like any QB can make those throws ..First off going into the year nobody had any idea Hooker was even an above average QB. His time at VT wasn’t great by any means. I think Hooker himself has improved his game over the years and im betting another year in this offense he will improve even more as a QB.
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We shall see, even if he does what he did last season and we only win 8. That's fine for this year, but I think it's easy to see why the coaches liked Milton as much as they did, there is a pretty big difference in arm talent between the two.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Nah. It's a serious question. He hits open guys I'm not denying that at all, but when has he thrown guys open? Off the top of my head there were 2 throws between defenders this year where he threw a guy open. One the post to Tillman that made it 10-9 against OM. The fade to Hyatt in the MCB bowl.
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1. Hendon threw for 2,945 yards; 302 att, 3 INT.

Few things occur:
1: He's making very good reads. 2: worked hard with his receivers on timing and knows where they are. 3: has a coach who almost always, always has a man wide open. ergo, he doesnt have to throw a Guarantano. 4: He has some wheels.

Drawbacks: 1: Holds onto the ball too long. 34 sacks is a lot. 2: When no one is open, trying to be Dobbs. He isnt.

not much more can be asked of your QB. he played well enough to beat whatever BG10 we played in MCB.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
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1. Hendon threw for 2,945 yards; 302 att, 3 INT.

Few things occur:
1: He's making very good reads. 2: worked hard with his receivers on timing and knows where they are. 3: has a coach who almost always, always has a man wide open. ergo, he doesnt have to throw a Guarantano. 4: He has some wheels.

Drawbacks: 1: Holds onto the ball too long. 34 sacks is a lot. 2: When no one is open, trying to be Dobbs. He isnt.

not much more can be asked of your QB. he played well enough to beat whatever BG10 we played in MCB.
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I dont think he he sucks at all, and I'm not arguing that he didn't play well enough to beat Purdue, but this comes from thoughts about winning the East next year. As much as roster upgrades help, QB play has to be better for that to happen. Guys aren't going to be running around untouched against better teams.
 
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Milton has never thrown a guy open in a game ever that I have watched, which included Michigan. So, I'm not sure how he enters into any discussion on on the position at UT. Milton waits until a receiver is wide open, then throws a missile in the general direction. Maybe Heup is miracle worker who can change all that. I would prefer not to find out given what we saw and what he has done historically.

Jackrevol posted the exact pros and cons for HH. We have got to stop caring what a QB can do for the NFL and care more about what he can do for the Vols in this system. Hooker needs to work on his accuracy (footwork), progressions and getting rid of the ball if no running lanes are open. That's it. The more he gets that the more Heup can open the playbook. What could compensate for any current deficiencies with him is an O-line that can give him more time. He values the ball in his hands, has talent, and wants to win. He's a leader, the guys play better when he is in there. They trust him. More reps, more trust with receivers.
 
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Vols4us said:
Milton has never thrown a guy open in a game ever that I have watched, which included Michigan. So, I'm not sure how he enters into any discussion on on the position at UT. Milton waits until a receiver is wide open, then throws a missile in the general direction. Maybe Heup is miracle worker who can change all that. I would prefer not to find out given what we saw and what he has done historically.

Jackrevol posted the exact pros and cons for HH. We have got to stop caring what a QB can do for the NFL and care more about what he can do for the Vols in this system. Hooker needs to work on his accuracy (footwork), progressions and getting rid of the ball if no running lanes are open. That's it. The more he gets that the more Heup can open the playbook. What could compensate for any current deficiencies with him is an O-line that can give him more time. He values the ball in his hands, has talent, and wants to win. He's a leader, the guys play better when he is in there. They trust him. More reps, more trust with receivers.
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I didnt say Milton ever did, but Hooker has a strong arm and Milton's is 10x stronger. That's all that was said
 
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Vols4us said:
Milton has never thrown a guy open in a game ever that I have watched, which included Michigan. So, I'm not sure how he enters into any discussion on on the position at UT. Milton waits until a receiver is wide open, then throws a missile in the general direction. Maybe Heup is miracle worker who can change all that. I would prefer not to find out given what we saw and what he has done historically.

Jackrevol posted the exact pros and cons for HH. We have got to stop caring what a QB can do for the NFL and care more about what he can do for the Vols in this system. Hooker needs to work on his accuracy (footwork), progressions and getting rid of the ball if no running lanes are open. That's it. The more he gets that the more Heup can open the playbook. What could compensate for any current deficiencies with him is an O-line that can give him more time. He values the ball in his hands, has talent, and wants to win. He's a leader, the guys play better when he is in there. They trust him. More reps, more trust with receivers.
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I would also like to add that I am a QB guru.

Football field at Boys Club was a wild place im sure. Meanwhile had dem pool tables on lockdown.

Point is, I played more bumper pool in that one day at Boy's Club than I ever did game of football, in my life. If I can see what's up at QB position it should be glaringly obvious to people who played.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I didnt say Milton ever did, but Hooker has a strong arm and Milton's is 10x stronger. That's all that was said
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Milton seems like a decent teammate. Seems like a guy you'd spend all week in sales training, nodding, using affiming language. 'Got it coach' 'Got it' Guy is so amped, running in place. Memorizes the first ten plays.

Gets in front if first client closes it down! Boom! That was easy, gets in front of second...little tougher but still closes a deal! TD! Third time, defense adjusts. More pushback. Goes to coach. 'Man, gettin' tired coach. Getting my ass kicked.' 'it's the second quarter son.'

Reverts to bad habits when going gets tough. Relies solely on perceived talents, instead of the noggin. Cant close a single deal, negativity pervades. Transfers.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
Milton seems like a decent teammate. Seems like a guy you'd spend all week in sales training, nodding, using affiming language. 'Got it coach' 'Got it' Guy is so amped, running in place. Memorizes the first ten plays.

Gets in front if first client closes it down! Boom! That was easy, gets in front of second...little tougher but still closes a deal! TD! Third time, defense adjusts. More pushback. Goes to coach. 'Man, gettin' tired coach. Getting my ass kicked.' 'it's the second quarter son.'

Reverts to bad habits when going gets tough. Relies solely on perceived talents, instead of the noggin. Cant close a single deal, negativity pervades. Transfers.
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Hes already used his one time transfer so I don't think he transfers again. Best case scenario is he's ready to start next season so the young QB's can sit and learn. Unless one of them is just that dude
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Another honest question. In what game or what particular throw did Hooker do something that gives all this confidence in him? He made the throws that were there I'm not trying to take anything away from him, but most of the plays made were because the recievers were schemed wide open, or tempo and the DB just got burnt. When did he throw guys open or hit a guy in tight coverage, the big throws that need to be made in order to beat some of the better teams on our schedule? Honestly not trolling just trying to understand what others saw
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To me, ESPECIALLY in this offense I don't want to see the QB throwing into double coverage. And his record breaking completion % with his TD to INT ratio is enough to say he's not only a good QB, but an elite one.

Now will he translate on Sundays? Who knows. But the Vols don't play on Sunday and we don't get any additional wins from what former Vols do in the NFL so doesn't matter anyway.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I didnt say Milton ever did, but Hooker has a strong arm and Milton's is 10x stronger. That's all that was said
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I get that. Even if he becomes accurate the receivers in college in general cannot catch the missiles often enough for the team to win. Even at the next level, the QB's on teams that win throw more catchable balls.

Milton is a show pony and it is not the arm and lack of accuracy that tells me that. It's how he runs with the ball and the decisions he makes. If I was a player I could never trust him to give his all for the team like I was doing. Again, good luck to Heup in changing that. None of us would object to another talented QB who can deliver wins. Until then I see scout team or transfer portal written all over him.
 
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