Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Jackcrevol]

Just saw the Juwan Howard deal on replay, apparently he can't control his temper, and no matter what his excuse is, he should either be suspended for a long period of time and fined a large sum of money, or if that happened at my place of employment, he would be terminated for workplace violence, no exceptions. No matter what his excuse, even if it was something racial, in my opinion he should be terminated. He is a grown man and supposed to be setting the appropriate example for his team, and he completely and utterly failed in doing so. Workplace violence cannot be tolerated, and remember this is his job... Termination of employment is certainly warranted and in my opinion, he will be fortunate to maintain his position, but if he does only receive a suspension, it should be a long and lengthy suspension, plus a fine... No excuse for that type of behavior, period.

termination. inexcusable.

 

[SoilVol]

SIAP: #3 Vandy dropped series to #7 Oklahoma State. #4 Mississippi State dropped series to Long Beach State. #12 East Carolina got swept by Bryant. #9 Florida dropped series to Liberty.

Several other teams dropped a game in their opening series.

Not the Vols of course. We just outscored our opponent 33-3.

 

[SoilVol]

Methinks/hopes both coaches and the Wiscy assistant and several players get some form of punishment (including suspension).

Stuff doesn't escalate like that without an instigator. I don't think Howard was very happy, but the Wiscy coach wouldn't let go of him when he tried to keep going. Then the assistant came up and clearly ran his mouth which escalated it. That doesn't excuse Howard's actions, but if the Wiscy head coach just shakes hands and walks away, and the assistant keeps his mouth shut that doesn't happen. It takes 2 to tango. Fine/suspend them all. Obviously Howard gets the worst suspension.

 

[VolNash17]

I’m glad we kept Vitello. We needed to keep him and thankfully we did. Time to expand the Stadium to 7,500-10,000 and add some suites for revenue. Great young coach in Vitello that’ll hopefully be here for 20 years or so Love what he brings to Vol fans everywhere

 

[VolNash17]

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

 

[jave36]

Methinks/hopes both coaches and the Wiscy assistant and several players get some form of punishment (including suspension).

Stuff doesn't escalate like that without an instigator. I don't think Howard was very happy, but the Wiscy coach wouldn't let go of him when he tried to keep going. Then the assistant came up and clearly ran his mouth which escalated it. That doesn't excuse Howard's actions, but if the Wiscy head coach just shakes hands and walks away, and the assistant keeps his mouth shut that doesn't happen. It takes 2 to tango. Fine/suspend them all. Obviously Howard gets the worst suspension.

Or maybe Howard had said some things already that escalated it? You're jumping to quote a few conclusions.

The wiscy coach was pretty clearly trying to give answer to something that had already been said when he approached Howard. Unless someone has something super racist or crude caught on mic, I just don't see how you can just assume the wiscy coach had any fault, although I'm not saying for certain he didn't.

 

[tnvols72]

I’m glad we kept Vitello. We needed to keep him and thankfully we did. Time to expand the Stadium to 7,500-10,000 and add some suites for revenue. Great young coach in Vitello that’ll hopefully be here for 20 years or so Love what he brings to Vol fans everywhere

I heard from a reliable source that he will be coaching LSU in 2022.

 

[butchna]

Methinks/hopes both coaches and the Wiscy assistant and several players get some form of punishment (including suspension).

Stuff doesn't escalate like that without an instigator. I don't think Howard was very happy, but the Wiscy coach wouldn't let go of him when he tried to keep going. Then the assistant came up and clearly ran his mouth which escalated it. That doesn't excuse Howard's actions, but if the Wiscy head coach just shakes hands and walks away, and the assistant keeps his mouth shut that doesn't happen. It takes 2 to tango. Fine/suspend them all. Obviously Howard gets the worst suspension.

He doesn’t physically strike another coach and no one misses a second. HIS actions require a response. Shoehorning others into discipline excuses what he did.

 

[volbeast33]

Or maybe Howard had said some things already that escalated it? You're jumping to quote a few conclusions.

The wiscy coach was pretty clearly trying to give answer to something that had already been said when he approached Howard. Unless someone has something super racist or crude caught on mic, I just don't see how you can just assume the wiscy coach had any fault, although I'm not saying for certain he didn't.

I saw a video a few minutes ago which was up close to the action and had live audio…. Howard did say…. I’m going to remember that to the assistant coach…. The assistant grabbed Howard’s arm to stop him to argue with him….It just grew from there…. I don’t think it as egregious as many are making it out to be…. I feel the assistant should be suspended for one game for putting his hands on Howard and Howard should receive a multiple game suspension for his open handed swing that made contact with the assistant coach.

 

[drvenner]

Second day in a row for Quordle. Boom.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Second day in a row for Quordle. Boom.

Consonants, vowels.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

it's that because of speed or agility?

I mean that’s a good route if your QB has 10 years to throw the ball and there is no one in the middle of the field….

 

[engineerVOL]

Consonants, vowels.

Constipated, bowels.

 

[SoilVol]

Or maybe Howard had said some things already that escalated it? You're jumping to quote a few conclusions.

The wiscy coach was pretty clearly trying to give answer to something that had already been said when he approached Howard. Unless someone has something super racist or crude caught on mic, I just don't see how you can just assume the wiscy coach had any fault, although I'm not saying for certain he didn't.

Dude - a situation like that always takes 2. Watch from the beginning again. Howard is trying to go through the handshake line and leave and the Wiscy coach steps in front of him and puts his hands on him. Stopping him from passing amd starts yelling at him.

You're making an assumption he said something too. He might've, but that also doesn't excuse the Wiscy coach from escalating and putting his hands on him first.

All I'm saying is that this isn't a 1 sided affair. Howard is a tool, yeah, but he didn't walk into that handshake line to start something and that's clear from the video.

 

[SoilVol]

I saw a video a few minutes ago which was up close to the action and had live audio…. Howard did say…. I’m going to remember that to the assistant coach…. The assistant grabbed Howard’s arm to stop him to argue with him….It just grew from there…. I don’t think it as egregious as many are making it out to be…. I feel the assistant should be suspended for one game for putting his hands on Howard and Howard should receive a multiple game suspension for his open handed swing that made contact with the assistant coach.

This is basically what I'm saying. It's not 1 sided with 1 villian like everyone wants it to be. Everyone involved should have some kind of punishment. And I believe that was Wisconsin's head coach. Not the assistant. The assistant got hit later in the scrum for saying something/jumping into it.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Constipated, bowels.

baitin', disavowal.

 

[Weezer]

baitin', disavowal.

Peyton with a scowl.

 

[Christian Lowe]

SIAP: #3 Vandy dropped series to #7 Oklahoma State. #4 Mississippi State dropped series to Long Beach State. #12 East Carolina got swept by Bryant. #9 Florida dropped series to Liberty.

Several other teams dropped a game in their opening series.

Not the Vols of course. We just outscored our opponent 33-3.

Yeah but LSU looks like the Gashouse Gorillas out scoring their opponent 51-15.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Peyton with a scowl.

cheap talk, trowels.

 

[VolGee4]

Methinks/hopes both coaches and the Wiscy assistant and several players get some form of punishment (including suspension).

Stuff doesn't escalate like that without an instigator. I don't think Howard was very happy, but the Wiscy coach wouldn't let go of him when he tried to keep going. Then the assistant came up and clearly ran his mouth which escalated it. That doesn't excuse Howard's actions, but if the Wiscy head coach just shakes hands and walks away, and the assistant keeps his mouth shut that doesn't happen. It takes 2 to tango. Fine/suspend them all. Obviously Howard gets the worst suspension.

I’ve had this discussion in another thread. I believe Gard was just trying to explain to Howard why he called the timeout. Howard didn’t want to hear it. Rational people don’t expect the reaction that came after that. It’s natural to try to explain/settle a controversy, and resorting to an open hand punch obviously was out of bounds.

Maybe Gard gets fined, but I will find it hard to believe if gets suspended. That’s kind of like the double technical cop outs they like to call.

 

[vols 30]

Second day in a row for Quordle. Boom.

Patterson?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Or maybe Howard had said some things already that escalated it? You're jumping to quote a few conclusions.

The wiscy coach was pretty clearly trying to give answer to something that had already been said when he approached Howard. Unless someone has something super racist or crude caught on mic, I just don't see how you can just assume the wiscy coach had any fault, although I'm not saying for certain he didn't.

Even Howard in his press conference confirmed that in the line he said, "I'll remember that" in regard to the timeout, and Gard touched his elbow to try to slow him down. Gard confirmed that he slowed hi down to try to explain his actions and smooth things over.

That resulted in Howard poking his fingers into Gard's face and bunching the collar of Gards shirt up in his fist before walking away and then walking back into the scruff to hit another coach.

It was a complete lack of self-control, and a complete failure at "adulting". To then sit in an interview 15 minutes later and show no remorse is a complete lack of self-awareness and good sense.

 

[Orange_Crush]

This is basically what I'm saying. It's not 1 sided with 1 villian like everyone wants it to be. Everyone involved should have some kind of punishment. And I believe that was Wisconsin's head coach. Not the assistant. The assistant got hit later in the scrum for saying something/jumping into it.

I work as a leader in a professional setting. If I was in a disagreement with another employee, touched their elbow to try to explain my perspective, and what that resulted in was them pointing their finger in my face, scrunching my shirt in their fist, and striking one of my team... I wouldn't be disciplined. They would be fired, barred from the premises, and explaining themselves to authority.

(If for no other reason than to the organization itself protecting itself from lawsuits)

In a professional setting, there is the expectation that you should be able to non-violently touch/interact another person without violence erupting. Period.

If UM and the Big 10 want to go ahead and tell the world that the leaders of their men aren't expected to be safe and professional, that's their prerogative. If they refuse to fire Howard, that's what they are doing. If they discipline Gard for touching another coach, they are saying that one should expect violence for touching an elbow and speaking to someone (which is admitting that you do not have the expectation of professionalism).

 

[Govolsman98]

Fellas I've just been diagnosed with Havana syndrome