Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Neyland Law Vol]

 

[Enki_Amenra]

The truth hurts. We TN fans can try and say otherwise but you cannot name 2 better coaches. If you can then put their records head to head and see. I hate them both but it’s them and everyone else.

The truth hurts who?
In the highest level of collegiate competition, there is not such a significant difference in coaching abilities to account for Saban's production. The difference is the quality of players. If you think that they have not been illegally paying recruits to come to their school for years, then you are simply hiding yourself from the real truth. If you believe they have not had a biased advantage concerning the pay for play rules over other programs you are naive.

 

[Rizzo924]

The truth hurts. We TN fans can try and say otherwise but you cannot name 2 better coaches. If you can then put their records head to head and see. I hate them both but it’s them and everyone else.

No way you can lump Smart in with Saban in that sentence.

 

[MrVolton]

Retroactive is Unconstitutional. I hope they burn the NCAA down.

 

[Orange.]

We TN fans...

He's not a Vols fan.

 

[DawgInterloper]

I'm sure every athletic department has already done this arithmetic internally. Obviously money that goes to athletes (and their managers) has to come from somewhere, and the biggest source is likely money that would have otherwise gone to the athletic departments in the form of donations, ticket sales, sale of trademarked apparel, etc. It seems less likely that the overall flow of money into college athletics will increase enough to cover the sums being discussed, especially as inflation is chewing into disposable incomes and savings.

 

[Nashvegas31]

This is likely why ADs are freaking out losing their donation money

 

[butchna]

What the do “best” is coach. How is that illegal?

We’re talking recruiting…quit playing dumb like prime Sir Laurence Olivier.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

We’re talking recruiting…quit playing dumb like prime Sir Laurence Olivier.

I guess you think the ONLY way they have signed the classes they have is because of cheating? . I am sure you would think the same thing if TN were recruiting at that level all these years right?

 

[csprig9]

NCAA can go kick rocks
Let them try anything with nil and they are gonna be embarrassed
Spyre is a business that pays players
Spyre takes donations to do this and collects money making it a business/charity more then a booster From my understanding
I’m assuming John Ruiz is a big name not being mentioned also along with Texas A&M

Saban and smart whining about the NIL is ******** and should be used against them in recruiting

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

KY is the worst team in the division, and we're gonna give them a W.

That's just baseball...the 1927 Yankees lost to the worst team in the league that year several times...it happens.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Has not been a great effort on offense.

Effort has to do with..

Y'all say some dumb stuff about baseball..

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

They were cold. I thought after the 2nd time they left bases loaded that it could come back and bite them

It always seems to happen when you strand a ton of runners early. I had a feeling we were probably losing after the third...the ball was just not leaving the yard last night.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

My guess is that this will spell not only the end of the NCAA, but also the end of what we call the FBS division of football. There will most likely be more movement between (or even complete dissolution and reformation of) conferences too, with teams choosing to align with other teams that can agree on a set of unifying rules. Obviously there will be one or more new central governing bodies for each new division and/or conference, because you can't have an interstate sports league where every state decides their own rules.

Nobody seems to dispute that college athletes can receive payment for their name, image, and likeness. So, the dividing principle seems to be "pay for play" vs NIL, and how those two concepts will be defined and regulated. I don't see the US Congress or the court system as having any chance of settling these issues in the next 20 years, which means we're headed for a restructuring.

Eventually, if the overall economy supports a minor professional football league, it's possible that some subset of cfb will morph into a minor league of the NFL, with a draft and contracts between the teams and players. Some of the other sports won't be so lucky and will become heavily fragmented and poorly funded.

Money ruins everything...well except for you guys...it bought you a championship.

 

[tnvols72]

It always seems to happen when you strand a ton of runners early. I had a feeling we were probably losing after the third...the ball was just not leaving the yard last night.

same here. I would rather them lose now than later on in the tourney

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

same here. I would rather them lose now than later on in the tourney

Whether they win a title or not, this is an awesome team. In baseball, even in seven game series, the best team often loses...and that will happen much more often in compressed series..it's just baseball.

 

[tnvols72]

Whether they win a title or not, this is an awesome team. In baseball, even in seven game series, the best team often loses...and that will happen much more often in compressed series..it's just baseball.

Agree , it sure is fun watching them.

 

[volbeast33]

I guess you think the ONLY way they have signed the classes they have is because of cheating? . I am sure you would think the same thing if TN were recruiting at that level all these years right?

We did recruit at a very high level during the 90’s and yes we were paying players…. It’s not just paying players but that is definitely part of it.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Bra seems to think the NCAA cant do a thing about NIL.

It's very frustrating that UGA and Bama call the shots in the SEC and that Sankey protects the status quo so vigorously. Seeing the same product year in and out isnt fun. Its stale.

NIL at least levels playing field.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Effort has to do with..

Y'all say some dumb stuff about baseball..

Sorry, I just meant that leaving 15 people on base is not ideal.

 

[itsme]

Got get rid of Sankey

Who is he replaced with? There's no one that will go after the Bama's and UGA's. It will just be the same ole crap.

 

[itsme]

Oh no. An AD that has made millions off of kids working for him for low reward for what they bring into the school isn't going to make as much money. I have the sads.

 

[csprig9]

Saban and Kirby are such pussies with this nil stuff
I get people being mad about the Pitt WR situation but coaches can leave for more money so why can’t players

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Saban and Kirby are such pussies with this nil stuff
I get people being mad about the Pitt WR situation but coaches can leave for more money so why can’t players

Manny Diaz left Temple after, what, 9 days? That’s not even one Scaramucci. And all we got was “Oh well, what can ya do???” But when the players earning these coaches their exorbitant salaries start getting a slice, why, it’s affecting the game’s spotless integrity!!

 

[smokeyz1]

From what has been posted on these new NCAA/NIL rules. It appears the NCAA is going to set new rules based on NIL contracts for recruits that will penalize the schools associated with the collectives instead of penalizing the players. They know they will get sued if a player is suspended so they are going to try and fine the schools enough to try and discourage them from using boosters/collectives to give NIL contracts to recruits.

This would be akin to an Engineering firm being fined for trying to recruit engineers from others firms by offering them better deals.

Both of these actions would cause the players/engineers to get less money. Any of you lawyers know if this would fly in court? Especially when most of the players are African American that would be getting less money.