Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[peaygolf]

Ranking Big Ten football uniforms from worst to best

They are ALL crap!

 

[Orange_Crush]

The NCAA is an archaic, washed up entity that has 0 foresight. They arw literally cutting their nose off to spite their face. clearing the brush away from the forest. Grasping at straws.

Zero sense in this other than to grab last iota or spot of power before its completely snipped.

It truly is a relic of a bygone era. College football is a multi-billion $ industry, and the NCAA is tasked to keep its veneer as an extracurricular, intramural hobby intact.

 

[Jackcrevol]

They were very unprepared to introduce NIL. They didn't simulate or consider any/enough models. It should have been introduced with regulations in place.

Their President just resigned, tells you everything you need to know. Leadership, management 101: Make a damn decision. Any decision, stick to it. If its wrong decision, deal with it. Learn from it. Just make a damn decision.

Dont sit on your hands.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Seems they're backtracking on it, caving to Sankey and the top one or two coaches. That isnt leadership, its cowering.

We don't know what they're doing. I don't think we've heard from the NCAA. We've read bloviating articles that are giving the perspective (wishes) of one side.

 

[InVOLuntary]

The NCAA is a corrupt organization that is controlled by a handful of schools. Those schools have lost control and they're freaking out.

Nick Saban, Kirby "the bowl cut", and any other coach at the forefront of fighting NIL is handing other schools that have taken advantage of NIL a huge recruiting tool. My speech to a recruit... "How disingenuous and fake can a guy be when he's making his $10M and at the same time fighting to limit what you can make? Does he really have your interest at heart?"

 

[Jackcrevol]

We don't know what they're doing. I don't think we've heard from the NCAA. We've read bloviating articles that are giving the perspective (wishes) of one side.

ill give you that.

**** em.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Which is why we see college coaches courting legislators. They know there is nothing to be done under current law. They needs the federal gvt to specifically carve the NCAA as an exception to anti-trust laws. It's kind of dirty, actually. (We know it's against the law to set up a system that victimizes these kids, so... In order to keep victimizing them, we need an exception to the law that would keep us from victimizing them.)

I'd say they're doing two things. Working to regulate NIL in their favor and, if that fails, working local & state legislation to make NIL easier for them to use. They've (big &/or successful schools like Alabama, UGA, Clemson) lost their advantage and they know it. They get their paychecks from their success and their egos won't allow them to lose their method for power and success.

 

[orangejuice]

The new NIL is a basic economic function. Schools willingness to pay needs to equal the players willingness to sell. If a governing body tried to limit or set controls (similar to rent controls), you will create a black market and it will go back to how it was before it was a free market. Players will get the NIL that is supposedly equal between schools and then teams will pay under the table to actually get the player, aka the same way it has always been. That’s why schools that have mastered this, want it to go back to it.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Ranking Big Ten football uniforms from worst to best

They are ALL crap!

I can't believe Maryland stuck with those hideous abominations.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I would assume the NCAA and Coaches are more trying to stop collectives from literally just getting a crap ton of money and then handing it to a player. Opposed to actually using their NIL.

Kind of like what Texas A&M was doing. Basically A&M Boosters were gathering tons of money under the guise of NIL and then paying recruits directly without the recruits actually providing any service for their NIL.

That’s what I think the NCAA and Coaches are trying to limit. That is not paying a player for their NIL. Also, I’m almost positive the schools doing that are already under investigation by the NCAA.

We were safe thanks to Spyre and how they do things. They are not put together and funded directly by Boosters. It’s an actual NIL organization that does everything through legal contracts and has the individuals under its NIL provide services. Which is very legal.

 

[Glitch]

The NCAA may be able to put some rules in place regarding NIL, but you can't create rules and enforce them retroactively. This "it's always been a rule boosters can't pay recruits/athletes" BS won't fly because I guarantee every kid with an NIL deal is getting paid by boosters. Who is paying Bryce Young's 7 figure NIL deal? Boosters. Who is handing out the money that got TAMU the highest rated class ever? Boosters. They cannot now decide to selectively enforce this rule with recruits, especially in a state like California where state law allows high school students to have NIL. They're trying to do an end around on the law by saying "rules". The rules went out the window the moment SCOTUS declared NIL legal, and the NCAA had no plan in place how to handle it. They can't now create rules and enforce them retroactively. IF they try to punish us in such a way, then it needs to be taken to court, and if we don't take it to court, everyone from the President to the BOT and down should be fired for being a bunch of wusses. The NCAA does not have a legal leg to stand on. My opinion, any and all schools threatened with punishment over this should immediately withdraw from the NCAA. Let's just kill this damn beast and start over. Without their member institutions, the NCAA does not exist

"But people have to be afraid of us!"


- NCAA (prolly)

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Did any of y'all in Knoxville or East Tennessee get flooded last night/early morning?

 

[TitanicVolz]

I would assume the NCAA and Coaches are more trying to stop collectives from literally just getting a crap ton of money and then handing it to a player. Opposed to actually using their NIL.

Kind of like what Texas A&M was doing. Basically A&M Boosters were gathering tons of money under the guise of NIL and then paying recruits directly without the recruits actually providing any service for their NIL.

That’s what I think the NCAA and Coaches are trying to limit. That is not paying a player for their NIL. Also, I’m almost positive the schools doing that are already under investigation by the NCAA.

We were safe thanks to Spyre and how they do things. They are not put together and funded directly by Boosters. It’s an actual NIL organization that does everything through legal contracts and has the individuals under its NIL provide services. Which is very legal.

I think ur on to something with that actually..If u look at last year with the Nolan situation and some other NIL things UT kinda took a backseat.I rem a bunch of bickering of how we were behind the 8 ball all that.I really that after the Ncaa bs etc they took the time to make sure all the stuff was in order.They were willing to let a few guys go elsewhere as to avoid the trouble of making rash decisions and ending up in hot water later..As we've seen this year they got all that straightened out and laying folks out to dry with the NiL the rite way..Jmo

 

[Nuctech777]

Wouldn't work because Bama would end up paying more than allowed, sliding some of it beneath the table as they've always done.

Exactly what I was going to post. They will still cheat to get around the rules.

 

[peaygolf]

I can't believe Maryland stuck with those hideous abominations.

 

[thistime]

It seems we are having a little NIL uproar, now that the curtain has been pulled back. What did everybody think was going to happen, the kids getting some money to buy a burger or take his girlfriend on a date. A school's education, stadium, fan base, facilities and coaches for that matter mean little when the opportunity to cash in arises.

ANYTIME you mix AMATEUR and MONEY things turn bad. In the next 10 years we will not recognize college sports. It will be a more open semi-pro league ( much like now but we will know who and where the money will be coming from) with the wealthiest schools having a team or you potentially could have two schools combining funds to have a "CO-OP Club". Don't laugh free agency is already a real thing and 5 years ago who would have believed that.

It's always been a little sleazy with the big money people in back rooms with envelopes of cash but this is corporate money and the pay-off comes in brief case's delivered by lawyers in BMW's. The initial idea of paying a player a small fee to live on as the excuse was laughable from the start. No matter how real the need was, the idea of letting companies pay student athletes was not the answer.........a little late to whine about it now, this is now the new normal.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Im sitting here shaking my head at the hypocrisy of Saban and Kirby dumb speaking out against NIL.

 

[Weezer]

Without Congress stepping in, the NCAA lost this fight with the SCOTUS ruling. It's hard for me to imagine them handing any punishment out over NIL and it not being fought in the courts. And we know how the courts feel.

 

[SpringBokVol]

Very little can be done.

This is a MESS

And clearly colleges will no longer want to enforce the NCAA laws - they will leave.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It seems we are having a little NIL uproar, now that the curtain has been pulled back. What did everybody think was going to happen, the kids getting some money to buy a burger or take his girlfriend on a date. A school's education, stadium, fan base, facilities and coaches for that matter mean little when the opportunity to cash in arises.

ANYTIME you mix AMATEUR and MONEY things turn bad. In the next 10 years we will not recognize college sports. It will be a more open semi-pro league ( much like now but we will know who and where the money will be coming from) with the wealthiest schools having a team or you potentially could have two schools combining funds to have a "CO-OP Club". Don't laugh free agency is already a real thing and 5 years ago who would have believed that.

It's always been a little sleazy with the big money people in back rooms with envelopes of cash but this is corporate money and the pay-off comes in brief case's delivered by lawyers in BMW's. The initial idea of paying a player a small fee to live on as the excuse was laughable from the start. No matter how real the need was, the idea of letting companies pay student athletes was not the answer.........a little late to whine about it now, this is now the new normal.

The Olympics did away with its amateur mandate and it's been just fine.

Folks don't seem to understand that college football isn't what it was when amateurism was plausible, and it hasn't been that in a very, very long time.

 

[SpringBokVol]

The other thing to consider in NIL is that control could be given to the States which would be a great thing for Tennessee. We are out in front from a school and state government perspective.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Without Congress stepping in, the NCAA lost this fight with the SCOTUS ruling. It's hard for me to imagine them handing any punishment out over NIL and it not being fought in the courts. And we know how the courts feel.

Could you imagine several universities hauling the NCAA before the supreme court on anti-trust issues, after the last time they were there?

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Without Congress stepping in, the NCAA lost this fight with the SCOTUS ruling. It's hard for me to imagine them handing any punishment out over NIL and it not being fought in the courts. And we know how the courts feel.

I think they have a legitimate fight against collectives that have no intention of utilizing an individuals NIL.

However, organizations like Spyre would eat the NCAA alive if they tried to come after them. They are controlled by an outside organization and they utilize legal contracts signed off by both parties involved. No way you can really stop that without some type of major court ruling.

 

[thistime]

Yeah I almost see it like each conference will essentially work as its own "union"

They kind of create a tier system for how much any one player is permitted to make from a team in conference...obviously they'll want to be more competitive than the other conferences, but they will want Vandy to have just as much freedom as Bama to pay top dollar (of course we all know Vandy's boosters/donors won't do this, but that'll be the "level footing" that exist if you will)

I don't hate it...I could see essentially every SEC team saying "you're worth 800k over 3 years" and stop bidding against each other (on the NIL side of things). But you can still sweeten deals based on market and % of earnings, also something I'd be fine with. If Vandy will give you 50% on appearances and Bama only 30% (because they feel there brand is worth more) then so be it. Let the kid decide if he values a larger piece of what may end up being a smaller pie or not.

Wouldn't work because Bama would end up paying more than allowed, sliding some of it beneath the table as they've always done.

The Pro's do the same basic thing except individual limits are team limits...... A Salary Cap. So the problem is you have to admit they are being paid a SALARY to play. Doesn't sound right when you say it out loud does it.

 

[TheRain]

Could you imagine several universities hauling the NCAA before the supreme court on anti-trust issues, after the last time they were there?

They would disband before they would do that. They would never try to explain how or why they have come to decisions they have made over the years. IMO