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jakez4ut said:
they're not tapped out, but they have to make decisions on where their money goes. as @LA Vol pointed out, many of the big donors have allocated millions of dollars in facilities and other academic related projects.

the university doesn't want that money to suddenly disappear and go to a collective, but they also want the athletics program to continue on it's current trajectory.

so it's about how donors make decisions on what they do with the money they've set aside for UT and UT Sports.

as for Spyre, i think it's probably a foregone conclusion that the one guy TN has to absolutely get was Nico. mission accomplished. im not sure it's all eggs in one basket type of deal, but they clearly have a board, some type of valuation, and in the cases of FM and CT, they were able to get more/equal. we stuck to our guns. i dont' necessarily like it, but i will say that in the case of CT, he went to where he always wanted to go, so "more" wasn't the only factor. we got gundy'd there. with FM, it felt more like a mercenary move, where money/deals were the big factor. i understand he had previous relationships with the staff there. it still didn't feel like he was "going home" per se. who knows.

as a little time separates from Monday, i think it's far more important we get the meat of this class on board, than any individual, regardless of ranking.

to me, these are the guys that will matter in this classs:
July 7th 4:30PM - Cameron Seldon - WR/RB - (1) ‘23 - VA ATH Cameron Seldon | VolNation.com
Early July - Stanton Ramil - OL - (1) ‘23 - AL OT Stanton Ramil | VolNation.com
Mid July - Hunter Osborne - DE - (1) ‘23 - AL DL Hunter Osborne | VolNation.com
Mid July - Nathan Leacock - WR - (2) ‘23 - NC WR Nathan Leacock | VolNation.com
Mid July - Lucas Simmons - OL - (2) ‘23 - FL OT Lucas Simmons | VolNation.com
July 28th - Ja’Keem Jackson - CB - (1) ‘23 - FL CB Ja’Keem Jackson | VolNation.com
August 5th - Chandavian Bradley - DE - (1) ‘23 - MO EDGE Chandavian Bradley | VolNation.com

need to get 4-5 of these guys if at all possible. the three i think are the toughest to get would be osborne, simmons and jackson. the others....i think we have great shots with.
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I think Sham this Friday is an important get as well. We should also pick up Jalen Smith on Sunday. If SCar outbids us for Bradley, then we'll know there's a problem.
 
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VolGee4 said:
You have to realize that many of the millionaires became wealthy for a reason- by spending money in a strategic way. That doesn't mean they are all frugal, but they also have commitments to the school and not to individual players. Donating to Spyre is not tax deductible, so a big donor with a business would have to pay NIL through his business to write off the expense. I would have thought we would have heard about a UT athlete advertising for a big business, but so far, it's only been small ones. I am confident that we have some donors putting up good money, but not all of them are going to agree to spend it on the same thing.

Edit: Also, regardless of what is being paid, there aren't unlimited funds. This has been said multiple times, but our staff evaluates what kind of package to give a player. If the $4 million number is correct for FM, then I understand why our staff didn't bother. Those funds can be allocated for several solid OL recruits and not just one.
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I understand your initial point, but why are other schools' rich boosters so involved whereas ours are not? I think that's the question most of us have.
 
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Weezer said:
I understand your initial point, but why are other schools' rich boosters so involved whereas ours are not? I think that's the question most of us have.
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Who are the "other schools'? The only "other" ones that have made waves are A&M, Miami, and maybe Texas. Ohio State has put together 2 collectives, and the sentiment was that Tate didn't go there because of more money. Other than those first 3, UT is ahead of or at least on par with other NIL programs.

A big variable in all of this is continuing to win games. Kids will eventually be like Tate and pick UT because they want to win and also get paid.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Who are the "other schools'? The only "other" ones that have made waves are A&M, Miami, and maybe Texas. Ohio State has put together 2 collectives, and the sentiment was that Tate didn't go there because of more money. Other than those first 3, UT is ahead of or at least on par with other NIL programs.

A big variable in all of this is continuing to win games. Kids will eventually be like Tate and pick UT because they want to win and also get paid.
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Exactly. Everyone wants to point at TX AM buying this past class, which they did. But theyve won 8,9,8,9 games the past 4 seasons. Have a win over Alabama in those seasons, and a coach with a NC on his resume. Its not just the money there.
 
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Weezer said:
Hope he does pick us. We need this kid.
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bigl3327 said:
It's not what I think is fair. It's what I think is realistic. Here's what I really like about this staff. They are all football nerds with proven track records of developing lower rated players, with the exception of Garner. Garner is considered the GOAT at his respective position by many. We could see several players emerge as stars this season, but at this point, those are unknown factors. What needs to happen to take the next step, and what's realistic with our roster aren't necessarily going to match up. I want to see them do the best they can with what we have.
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You started by declaring it wasn't what was fair... then end up by saying what you think is fair without dealing with what happens to fan support and recruiting if wins don't come.

I like the staff. I like Heupel a lot. But he's not going to keep the fan support or get the recruits he needs if he doesn't prove he can win. That's not bias against him. That's the history of coaches across CFB. Last time I had this argument with someone I believe we found 3 or 4 coaches over the last 40 years that didn't win at least 9 games in their first 3 years then went on to win championships.
 
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miket4god said:
Not sure why that is so hard to understand for some.
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It isn't. But if the best your local McD's can do is serve you food in 15 minutes... they'll go out of business. It won't matter why. It won't matter if they're good people who are trying really hard.
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
I think they'll want Turnage to be on the outside. I think he and Hadden have the most upside.

I dont see it with Rucker.
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I for sure think Turnage and Hadden got the most upside as pure DBs as well. I kinda think Rucker will end up where Theo was or as a safety. He's got far more speed than Flowers, Theo, or Tank
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I for sure think Turnage and Hadden got the most upside as pure DBs as well. I kinda think Rucker will end up where Theo was or as a safety. He's got far more speed than Flowers, Theo, or Tank
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But his he aggressive enough or strong enough to be a safety or star?

Got a lot of guys that fit that role naturally ahead of him
 
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sjt18 said:
You started by declaring it wasn't what was fair... then end up by saying what you think is fair without dealing with what happens to fan support and recruiting if wins don't come.

I like the staff. I like Heupel a lot. But he's not going to keep the fan support or get the recruits he needs if he doesn't prove he can win. That's not bias against him. That's the history of coaches across CFB. Last time I had this argument with someone I believe we found 3 or 4 coaches over the last 40 years that didn't win at least 9 games in their first 3 years then went on to win championships.
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I've already stated earlier that my guess is 9-3. I also said that 8-4 was what was acceptable, which gives us a chance at your required 9 wins with a bowl victory. I think the line in Vegas is 7.5. That means 8 wins is exceeding expert evaluations. I think you and I are on the same page to an extent. I'm just not going to call our team, coaching staff, or season a failure if we only win 8 regular season games.
 
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sjt18 said:
You started by declaring it wasn't what was fair... then end up by saying what you think is fair without dealing with what happens to fan support and recruiting if wins don't come.

I like the staff. I like Heupel a lot. But he's not going to keep the fan support or get the recruits he needs if he doesn't prove he can win. That's not bias against him. That's the history of coaches across CFB. Last time I had this argument with someone I believe we found 3 or 4 coaches over the last 40 years that didn't win at least 9 games in their first 3 years then went on to win championships.
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Bama and UGA are Bama and UGA.

LSU is gonna be tougher than those predicting high win totals are giving them credit for.

We never beat FL so while I agree we’re in a better spot, it doesn’t mean anything until we do it.

UK will be a tough game whether we like it or not.

USCe will be better. Doubt we make that one look as easy as last season.

I’d take 8-4.


Edit: I’m not sure I even replied to the correct post
 
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