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This is the third time you've made this insinuation that Spyre donors are not good with their money and small donors, if they are to imitate smart money, shouldn't donate without a deduction. And every time you seem more proud of yourself.

I think you are costing us a huge number of donors, continually trotting yourself out here to repeat this.

You are way off base. I’m just telling you why big donors give millions of dollars. Small tax deductions are almost worthless while million dollar ones are significant. This isn’t difficult.

Also, I’m not even a donor and probably going to donate to Spyre soon. Have no idea how you jumped to that conclusion.

The point of all this is people questioning our millionaire donors. Well, they donate a lot and most of the time want something out of it. They make decisions for a reason.
 
We need more targets for the current class. I expect more will pop up with the HS football season as players get reevaluated, but we still have a lot of holes to fill on this roster. Plus I'm just ready for some new names to talk about.
 
You are way off base. I’m just telling you why big donors give millions of dollars. Small tax deductions are almost worthless while million dollar ones are significant. This isn’t difficult.

Also, I’m not even a donor and probably going to donate to Spyre soon. Have no idea how you jumped to that conclusion.

The point of all this is people questioning our millionaire donors. Well, they donate a lot and most of the time want something out of it.
You know what's not worthless? Winning. I think that's a good thing to get out of this.
 
Our big-time boosters seem checked out. At least that's how it seems. Ruiz is funding Miami's NIL all on his lonesome. We don't have a booster that dedicated. I'm not sure the common fans can possibly make up that difference. I will say I share your concern, but I still think we can put together a good class. Not sure about a top 10 class, but at least a top 20 class. But it does seem that if money is the final deal maker, it's not in our favor against certain schools. I wish our coaches would follow the lead of other coaches around the country and make a plea to the fanbase for more support in NIL.
Agreed; I still believe we land a top 10 class with 10 wins.

Also, I'm all for spending the money wisely...I have no problem, at all, with them saying we're not going to give QB money to an interior lineman (if Ruiz wants to spend his entire fortune, by all means); however, as I said, if we had the money I thought we did, we would've landed, at least, one of those other TOP targets.

Agree, as well, with the coaches talking more about it, and speaking directly to fans about it. As I said, Spyre is just going to have to work their tails off during the season, connecting with the fans, and fully explaining what they are all about, and what exactly all the money is going toward, and how it's divvied up.
 
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How is his contract structured that money can't buy him out?

I like him. I like him as a coach. I like him as a guy. I am REALLY impressed with his leadership so far.... and not one bit of that matters if he gets no better than 8 wins in the next two years. To not get 9 wins this year... you assume losses to UGA and Bama. You assume wins vs Vandy, 3 OOC opponents, and maybe Mizzou.

You then look at 5 games- LSU with a new coach, UF with a new coach and some issues, UK, USCe, and a bowl opponent. The season hinges on those 5 games. After dropping the "leaners" last year... those 5 games will say A LOT about whether Heupel can compete in the SEC or not.
Anything less than 8 wins is a failure this season, and Florida is a must win game. If we can’t get it done at home with nearly the entire offense returning and Napier coaching his first SEC game it’s not going to happen any time soon. So really 9 should be the expectation considering if Hooker opens the season as the starter we beat Pitt and go 8-4
 
You are way off base. I’m just telling you why big donors give millions of dollars. Small tax deductions are almost worthless while million dollar ones are significant. This isn’t difficult.

Also, I’m not even a donor and probably going to donate to Spyre soon. Have no idea how you jumped to that conclusion.

The point of all this is people questioning our millionaire donors. Well, they donate a lot and most of the time want something out of it. They make decisions for a reason.
I'm exactly on base.

I jumped in because you won't stop acting like you have some rarified insight and you appear to be completely naive as to what that means to small donors. You are stoking division and resentment. You are turning Spyre into second best. Spyre is great.

Big donors should contribute to winning players and a winning team through Spyre. Then small donors will emulate them and be excited about being in the same club. Don't turn it into second best. Start a new higher level of Spyre. Call it the Deez Nuts level, and let's roll!
 
Did Kiffin and Pittman walk into the exact same situations as Heupel? No they didn’t. And that’s the difference. Saying if a coach cannot win 10 in year 3-4 it will never happen is poor logic. Have we overhauled our roster with the portal? No.
Go back and look at Arkansas’s record under Chad Morris and tell me Heupel inherited a worse program than Pittman. What Kiffin inherited wasn’t that far off what Heupel got either. My point is with the portal it doesn’t take 5+ years to build the team they want, and if a coach can both take advantage of it as well as recruit well it significantly shortens a team’s “rebuild” and by year 4 the entire roster is composed of players that staff recruited and developed. So if they’re not able to get over the hump and beat every team they play except Bama and Georgia there’s no reason to believe they’ll be able to in another year or two. Florida is only going to be down for so long. Same goes for Auburn and LSU and Texas and Oklahoma joining the SEC isn’t going to make it any easier. I guess what I’m really saying more than anything is that in today’s landscape of college football what you’re getting in year 3-4 with a coach is likely what you’re going to get in the long haul. I thought Heupel was definitely going to get it done midway through last season, but our lack of success in the portal and the apparent lack of emphasis this staff puts on the back 7 of a defense has me concerned. The fact the only LB we got in the portal was a walkon and we got no corners when inferior programs were able to get guys we should’ve went after and been able to land isn’t a good sign. It also looks like we’re only taking 2 LBs again this class and only 1 corner who may or may not pan out at that position. It doesn’t take a P5 coach to realize that isn’t a recipe for success in the SEC either
 
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I'm exactly on base.

I jumped in because you won't stop acting like you have some rarified insight and you appear to be completely naive as to what that means to small donors. You are stoking division and resentment. You are turning Spyre into second best. Spyre is great.

Big donors should contribute to winning players and a winning team through Spyre. Then small donors will emulate them and be excited about being in the same club. Don't turn it into second best. Start a new higher level of Spyre. Call it the Deez Nuts level, and let's roll!

Lol…that’s ridiculous but have fun.

People are bitching about our millionaires, so why don’t we have an adult discussion about why they make certain decisions? Or, you guys can just keep bitching about spending other people’s money. Big donors don’t need to use Spyre though to help our NIL. Would be nice to see a player on a Pilot billboard.

I have always supported Spyre through trying to answer people’s questions and tagging our man, Will. Just looking for a damn fight.
 
Lol…that’s ridiculous but have fun.

People are bitching about our millionaires, so why don’t we have an adult discussion about why they make certain decisions? Or, you guys can just keep bitching about spending other people’s money. Big donors don’t need to use Spyre though to help our NIL. Would be nice to see a player on a Pilot billboard.

I have always supported Spyre through trying to answer people’s questions and tagging our man, Will. Just looking for a damn fight.
No, even or especially if you cannot understand my point, you should quit reminding small donors that the tax code treats their donations differently. How does that not cause resentment in people who are bright enough to understand what that says. I could say much more; I have been exercising restraint. Only just notice that the there are people who want the school to keep all the donation money and TV and gate money and pass the cost of NIL along to small donors. They are worried lest a large donor divert some portion of their giving to something that would bring joy to tens of millions of Vols fans everywhere. And further consider that all of those expenditures that the donors are funding make their way to an army of builders, consultants, vendors, administrators, etc. Those people, above all, should be giving to Spyre. What they receive -- since you continually emphasize that the big donors want something back, which while true is not so flattering -- should be the satisfaction of spreading happiness and above all the gratitude of the small donors and Vols fans everywhere who will highly esteem them and emulate them. They can set an example.

Your remark that "People are bitching about our millionaires" is a dumb thing to say. Btw, they are not "yours." What you call "an adult discussion about why they make certain decisions" would amount to you slandering them while imagining yourself taking up for them. You make them out to be small minded when they are giving people.

Large donors will be and deserve to be honored. It is beneficial to all concerned. Honored and emulated is even better. What I am suggesting will increase their satisfaction.

Also notice that many are involved or how did we get Nico?
 
Go back and look at Arkansas’s record under Chad Morris and tell me Heupel inherited a worse program than Pittman. What Kiffin inherited wasn’t that far off what Heupel got either. My point is with the portal it doesn’t take 5+ years to build the team they want, and if a coach can both take advantage of it as well as recruit well it significantly shortens a team’s “rebuild” and by year 4 the entire roster is composed of players that staff recruited and developed. So if they’re not able to get over the hump and beat every team they play except Bama and Georgia there’s no reason to believe they’ll be able to in another year or two. Florida is only going to be down for so long. Same goes for Auburn and LSU and Texas and Oklahoma joining the SEC isn’t going to make it any easier. I guess what I’m really saying more than anything is that in today’s landscape of college football what you’re getting in year 3-4 with a coach is likely what you’re going to get in the long haul. I thought Heupel was definitely going to get it done midway through last season, but our lack of success in the portal and the apparent lack of emphasis this staff puts on the back 7 of a defense has me concerned. The fact the only LB we got in the portal was a walkon and we got no corners when inferior programs were able to get guys we should’ve went after and been able to land isn’t a good sign. It also looks like we’re only taking 2 LBs again this class and only 1 corner who may or may not pan out at that position. It doesn’t take a P5 coach to realize that isn’t a recipe for success in the SEC either
Heupel had to deal with an NCAA investigation and a mass exodus of the top talent from the roster. Morris left behind a full roster at least, and Kiffin got to take over AFTER Ole Miss’s investigation was done and sanctions had run their course.
 
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