Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Orange.]

Yep. I’ve said as much. Heupel doesn’t have to get the high ranking guys on offense to score. He has to get fits. But defense requires studs. It’s just too hard to scheme around lack of superior athletes on D. So like you say, use NIL money to land studs on D (and QB when you find an elite guy), then recruit system guys for offensive skill positions.

If you think about it, that’s what the Belichick/Brady Patriots dynasty did.

Heup is working his plan and he doesn't have to be told that defense is important. The first thing he needed was his QB. He astounded everyone and did it. Now it's pretty clear that he is building an offensive juggernaut. It is in this context that he moves on defensive guys because our team is increasingly attractive and an increasing draw. He wasn't going to go straight out and take the top recruits off the board in the situation he walked into. He has changed the situation and now they will come.

 

[drvenner]

Would this land Miami in the Big 10?

 

[ConwayFitty]

Does Virginia provide a larger market than VA Tech?

Maybe even Georgia Tech or NC State instead of UVA.

 

[drvenner]

Kinda random, but I'm at Reagan International in DC and I can't quite make out the first name they're calling for, but a female name, last name "Pons" of Lakeland, TN missing their drivers license. Possibly Yves's wife?

Holy Random Question, Batman.

 

[RikidyBones]

Would this land Miami in the Big 10?

I think they will be lucky to get an invite and will accept whatever they get. Miami has little value. Maybe the b12/pac-wgaf merger includes them? Or they get stuck with wake Forest and crew.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Big Ed's has good pizza.

Not sure if helpful.

It's a bit overrated (at least locally) if you ask me. Good pizza though.

 

[SoilVol]

I like it. All southern flagships with FSU and Clemson who are cultural fits as well. Best case scenario imo

Technically only UNC and UVA are flagships, and only Clemson is land grant. Semantics I know.

Virginia Tech would be a much better culture fit than UVA, but everything I've heard is that they feel they're in a good position to dominate the ACC right now. Especially if Clemson and UNC leave. NC State will always be middling, so Miami and VT are the ones who stand to benefit the most.

 

[NighthawkVol]

It's a bit overrated (at least locally) if you ask me. Good pizza though.

I think that's because it used to be better. Still good, but used to be great.

 

[lilesrt]

Figured they would have put Bru but it is what it is. Hope Hyatt has a great season.

Hyatt consistently drops the football. Why the hype?

 

[LoudOrange]

FSU and Miami iirc were offered when they were independents and at their exact peaks, but they both said no because the schedule would be too hard . That's how Arky and USCjr got offers.

They sure did, Bobby Bowden was quoted as saying at the time, "unlike George Foreman I like to pick my own chumps."

 

[SoilVol]

Holy Random Question, Batman.

Not going to lie, I figured out where the next Memphis flight is docked. Walked to a different terminal and looked around for Yves or someone resembling his wife. Couldn't find them so I walked back. They've stopped calling for them so maybe she came to pick it up, but it was definitely her name the next time they called it after my first post. At least I tried, lol.

Once in LA I found a passport in the bathroom and found the guy an hour later at a gate departing for Sydney, AUS freaking out because they wouldn't let him on. Never been hugged so hard by a stranger lol

 

[Newman]

Technically only UNC and UVA are flagships, and only Clemson is land grant. Semantics I know.

Virginia Tech would be a much better culture fit than UVA, but everything I've heard is that they feel they're in a good position to dominate the ACC right now. Especially if Clemson and UNC leave. NC State will always be middling, so Miami and VT are the ones who stand to benefit the most.

Yup, poorly worded on my part. On the Andy Staples show he was saying he believes the SEC wants all the southern flagships. With the additions of Texas and Oklahoma, UVA and UNC were the remaining ones.

 

[SoilVol]

Now getting to the point that these schools have to weigh the benefit of staying and dominating their traditional conference at a loss of conference member-payouts for the athletic departments versus jumping ship and struggling in a mega conference but make waaaay more money.

Also, I wonder how this will affect smaller sports. Look at these ACC schools that have well renowned wrestling, men's soccer, lacrosse, field hockey type programs. Will that lead to the other SEC schools to start picking up these sports? Will they drop them? Will they remain in their OG conference?

 

[SoilVol]

Yup, poorly worded on my part. On the Andy Staples show he was saying he believes the SEC wants all the southern flagships. With the additions of Texas and Oklahoma, UVA and UNC were the remaining ones.

That makes sense. I still question the UVA decision. Yes, its the flagship, but they don't have the tradition and fanbase VT has. And VT has a presence in Virginia the way Tennessee does in TN - statewide and prideful with dozens of satellite research centers. I feel from an economic perspective VT would have been the better choice.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

@GregAmsler got me thinking.

If Heupel were to stock our offense with all 3 star players that fit his system (just think UCF), and let's says his defense finished 4th or 5th in the SEC (UK/Auburn last year) does he win the conference?

I think we should honestly use most of our NIL on defense because I think Heupel can win here with just about anyone that fits his system on offense.

Agree for most of the offensive positions, but I will say, an OL that ranks in the top of the SEC takes this offense from dangerous to lethal, IMO. Need to get some more highly rated talent and depth on that line.

 

[tnhunter 10]

Why Virginia? VA Tech is a better fit, unless it's because of academics. I'm surprised North Carolina would leave without Duke.

 

[VolGee4]

Not going to lie, I figured out where the next Memphis flight is docked. Walked to a different terminal and looked around for Yves or someone resembling his wife. Couldn't find them so I walked back. They've stopped calling for them so maybe she came to pick it up, but it was definitely her name the next time they called it after my first post. At least I tried, lol.

Once in LA I found a passport in the bathroom and found the guy an hour later at a gate departing for Sydney, AUS freaking out because they wouldn't let him on. Never been hugged so hard by a stranger lol

Early this year, I was right behind Yves and his wife at a Target in a suburb of Memphis. I chatted with them for a minute between them speaking French. She had on a UT shirt.

The young female cashier looks at me while I'm checking out and says, "Ok, what did I miss?"

 

[RikidyBones]

Fwiw, I agree VT fits better.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

On another subject, can anyone define what limits NOW exist on signing players conventionally and through the portal.

Is there any limitation on INITIALS or is the 85 TOTAL counters the only game in town now as I have heard alluded to on this site. This would of course eliminate the portal loss calculations as well if 85 and 125 on dates certain are the only numbers that count.

This would surprise me because that would make under contributors targets unlike ever before. Maybe more medicals and even NIL buyouts to go off schollie, beyond just the TALKS.

Thanks in advance.

 

[BigSteve09]

Florida and FSU shaking hands to try to screw Miami over. Clemson, UVA, UNC coming to SEC might be bad for us.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I really don't like ONE power conference to rule them all...feel like the only reason this could be happening is the eventual crumbling of the NCAA as a top level overseer.

 

[butchna]

RIP James Caan.

 

[Orange.]

Part of it imo is ESPN and Fox dividing the TV market between themselves.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I mean...SEC is gonna be even harder if this all comes out.

Have to wonder if some current members are shown the door...

Original members from 1932 still in conference:
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Joined in 1991: Arkansas & South Carolina
Joined in 2012: Texas A&M and Missouri
Joining in 2025: Oklahoma and Texas

Supposedly original members are written in to automatically be accepted back if they desire it as well. Sewanee, Georgia Tech, & Tulane are the only 3 original members not currently in the SEC.

 

[Orange.]

I was happy at the prospect of three set rival games and then the rotation for the balance of 9 conference games, whereby every SEC team would play each other home-and-away on a regular basis. That is as close to level scheduling as we could get. One side effect of a jumbo conference is going to be Birmingham empowered to assign divisions and the relatively few (in comparison to conference membership) out-of-division games. The dream of everybody playing everybody dies. Edit: But I don't pretend to myself that this consolidation can be stopped. We should win at it; all we can do.