Recruiting Forum Football Talk LII

[Orange Studs]

Kelly throw 3 picks? 2 being pick 6's? Bench him...

No did have some costly fumble's. lol:

 

[volfanCLT]

Dude take the L

 

[csprig9]

Surprised juco dt tayland Humphrey hasn't been offered by Pruitt...he's 6-4 350.. seems like good nt size

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

You would play scared too if your O line was swiss cheese. JG did the same stuff guys. Accept it.

I’m no JG fanboy. But he didn’t play scared at least. Hell, if he had played a little scared he’d probably have stayed healthier and taken fewer sacks.


Both of those guys struggled and did things badly that hurt us. I just think QD’s problems are a little more difficult to correct than JG’s though. And I feel like McBride might have more upside than any of them because he seems to have some intangibles the others don’t. More physical limitations though.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Good you accepted it. Now move on

 

[Chief Vol 13]

QD is a talented QB. Judging anyone who played under that train wreck of an offense last year is unfair, but as others have said, QB depth is a good thing. I can't see him and JG both staying here though with the way all that stuff was handled last year. Too toxic. He's got ability though.

No matter how bad that staff was last year you would think that Dormady would have shown at least a flash or two. He didn't. Every game he played in last year he look like garbage. He might be the type that practices well but craps his pants on Saturdays. I thought Guarantano looked a lot better than Dormady.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I was very critical of Ainge when he was here because he always shied away from contact.
He's literally never would take a hit, never was sacked or scrambled. They are very comparable in that regard

Not really. Ainge showed more grit and toughness as a freshman than QD did as a JR.

But I’m sure you remember it differently because that fits your narrative.

 

[Orange Studs]

Good you accepted it. Now move on

You can't use the same gif as the other guy. Universal rule. You have to get your own. lol:

 

[AV_12]

He also has a messed up ankle. But, you know, narrative

Yeah, it's not like he wasn't the same immobile guy from snap one... but, you know, narrative.

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

No matter how bad that staff was last year you would think that Dormady would have shown at least a flash or two. He didn't. Every game he played in last year he look like garbage. He might be the type that practices well but craps his pants on Saturdays. I thought Guarantano looked a lot better than Dormady.

Some people on here want that "come from behind victory" by their qb. They dont realize, that same original qb threw plenty of back footed picks that resulted in playing catch up.

 

[NeverWe'llSever]

Dude take the L

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Get a room.

 

[Smokey'sHandler]

Dobbs was less than great as a freshman (but a true freshman, unlike Guarantano).

Thing is, Dormady turned the ball over way too much. Guarantano took way too many sacks. McBride just looked promising because he had some running ability, but IMO he looked to run too often and looked like he thought he was Johnny Manziel sometimes.

Who knows who will emerge out of that group. We need (at least) one of them to step up and improve. (I think they will — the question is how much.)

Dobbs also wasn't much better as a sophomore. Progress as a QB takes time and coaching. As I saw it JG progressed over time as a Freshman vs. Dormady regressed as a Junior. Certain things can progress with better coaching/game experience such as reading defenses, pocket presence and getting rid of the ball (All are the things JG needs to improve on).

Certain things can not get better with coaching such as panic. I can guarantee you QD was not taught the horrific footwork I saw him have when he played such as being off balance on your heels, throwing from a short base and throwing off of your back foot. All of these stemmed from panic and lead to errant throws ie. look at his completion/int. rates with pressure. I don't know how you coach fear out of a kid? Maybe Helton has the magical solution that can fix that but if he still has it you can throw all other coaching out the door and the results will stay the same.

I have a lot easier time justifying how JG could get better vs. how QD could get better.

 

[Vols4us]

Not really. Ainge showed more grit and toughness as a freshman than QD did as a JR.

But I’m sure you remember it differently because that fits your narrative.

Yeah, that Ainge playing with a broken finger on his passing hand was a real wimp.

He made mistakes like all of them do and tried too hard to avoid the rush and make a play instead of throwing it away. But shying away from taking hits was not one his issues.

 

[Ron Swanson]

No matter how bad that staff was last year you would think that Dormady would have shown at least a flash or two. He didn't. Every game he played in last year he look like garbage. He might be the type that practices well but craps his pants on Saturdays. I thought Guarantano looked a lot better than Dormady.

One thing about Dormady that stood out to me the most was he was afraid to get hit. As soon as the pocket broke down just a little bit he panicked and threw an incompletion or an INT. Now, obviously our OL was injured and they played awful. Hopefully that gets cleared up quickly with the new staff and players added. And with better QB coaching and OL play maybe QD will be just fine.

I think at the very least all of our QB's will play better with better coaching. But I still hope we sign a QB this class, need depth and competition at QB this spring and fall.

 

[Vols4us]

Dobbs also wasn't much better as a sophomore. Progress as a QB takes time and coaching. As I saw it JG progressed over time as a Freshman vs. Dormady regressed as a Junior. Certain things can progress with better coaching/game experience such as reading defenses, pocket presence and getting rid of the ball (All are the things JG needs to improve on).

Certain things can not get better with coaching such as panic. I can guarantee you QD was not taught the horrific footwork I saw him have when he played such as being off balance on your heels, throwing from a short base and throwing off of your back foot. All of these stemmed from panic and lead to errant throws ie. look at his completion/int. rates with pressure. I don't know how you coach fear out of a kid? Maybe Helton has the magical solution that can fix that but if he still has it you can throw all other coaching out the door and the results will stay the same.

I have a lot easier time justifying how JG could get better vs. how QD could get better.

Spot on.

 

[RiotVol]

I’m willing to give all of the QBs a mulligan after surviving last year’s offense without a career ending injury. That Larry Scott offense was an abomination, and it repeatedly put players in a position where it wasn’t possible for them to suceed. They also were playing behind an o-line that played soft, and then hurt, and then inexperienced. Add in that them, and everyone around them, had sh@& for technique and mechanics.

Basically, those games were lost because of Butch Jones, his penchant for nepotism in coaching hires, and lax leadership.

There’s a lot of reasons that Dormandy went from throwing lasers in mop up duty to throwing interceptions off his back foot as a starter. There’s a lot of reasons why Guarantano and McBride also struggled.

At this point, you just burn all of the tape from last year, get everyone back in the weight room, and just see what you got in the spring.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Dobbs also wasn't much better as a sophomore. Progress as a QB takes time and coaching. As I saw it JG progressed over time as a Freshman vs. Dormady regressed as a Junior. Certain things can progress with better coaching/game experience such as reading defenses, pocket presence and getting rid of the ball (All are the things JG needs to improve on).

Certain things can not get better with coaching such as panic. I can guarantee you QD was not taught the horrific footwork I saw him have when he played such as being off balance on your heels, throwing from a short base and throwing off of your back foot. All of these stemmed from panic and lead to errant throws ie. look at his completion/int. rates with pressure. I don't know how you coach fear out of a kid? Maybe Helton has the magical solution that can fix that but if he still has it you can throw all other coaching out the door and the results will stay the same.

I have a lot easier time justifying how JG could get better vs. how QD could get better.

Basically how I feel.

I think QD has the physical and mental tools to be a solid to good QB. I just haven’t seen him show he has the guts for it.


With JG, he’s shown the guts and the physical tools, but not the mental aspect yet.


I’ve seen some pretty dumb guys get coached up enough to make up for the mental aspect of the game. I’m not sure guts is something you can improve with coaching though.

 

[Orange Studs]

Personally, I don't think its fair to judge all three QB's under the coaching thy have had the last three years. I just don't cheer when you lose a QB at a time we don't need to lose one.

 

[BruinVol]

Not really. Ainge showed more grit and toughness as a freshman than QD did as a JR.

But I’m sure you remember it differently because that fits your narrative.

Pretty hard for you or I or anyone else not directly involved with the team to measure toughness and grit of QBs.

I could make a Argument that JG should have toughened up and played at Mizzu and against SM.

Or I could argue Ainge was so scared of contact that he was embarrassingly willing to throw up balls for grabs while getting hit at LSU.

We really don't know who is tough and who isn't from our seats.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Yeah, it's not like he wasn't the same immobile guy from snap one... but, you know, narrative.

I would still consider JG to be mobile enough to escape the pocket when he needs to. Did it several times last year. That's really all you need, especially in the type of offense we appear to be running now IMO. He's definitely not a statue like Dormady.

 

[SeanJean]

The NFL runs shotgun/pistol/single back stretch/etc. They are multiple, including situational use of under center. It's not about the formation. It's about the action. Pro style is not built around RPO. It may have a play or two they run with it, but RPO is the modern day option offense. That's the difference in recruiting a mobile pro style versus dual threat.

Helton ran pro style at USC as well as under Brohm. They were not built around RPO. They ran a fast paced tempo at WKU, but not as much at USC. Both were multiple pro style.

Of course, and NFL offenses don't exclusively run out of pro-style sets either. Multiple is a coaching buzzword. It doesn't mean anything imo. Butch Jones said multiple all the time and he ran the same 4 plays every Saturday just about.

RPO is another type of spread offense, but running exclusively out of the shotgun with at least 3 WR's is a spread offense. Maybe I'm a traditionalist, and I'm not buying into the coaching speak trying to frame it as more than it is, but that's a spread offense. You are spreading the field for a primarily short-yardage pass-centric offense to get your playmakers the ball in space. A pro style offense has a TE, a Fullback, and your QB runs a lot of play action type passes because it is built around the run, etc.

Just because you say you are multiple and run pro-style elements doesn't mean that you actually do. The proof is in the pudding. USC runs an up-tempo, spread offense. Jim Harbaugh still runs pro-style at Michigan, though with limited success of late. Personally, I think "pro-style" is overrated and is a bit antiquated in today's game.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

One thing about Dormady that stood out to me the most was he was afraid to get hit. As soon as the pocket broke down just a little bit he panicked and threw an incompletion or an INT. Now, obviously our OL was injured and they played awful. Hopefully that gets cleared up quickly with the new staff and players added. And with better QB coaching and OL play maybe QD will be just fine.

I think at the very least all of our QB's will play better with better coaching. But I still hope we sign a QB this class, need depth and competition at QB this spring and fall.

What killed me was that even when he had a clean pocket he had a tendency to break down mechanically.

 

[SeanJean]

One thing about Dormady that stood out to me the most was he was afraid to get hit. As soon as the pocket broke down just a little bit he panicked and threw an incompletion or an INT. Now, obviously our OL was injured and they played awful. Hopefully that gets cleared up quickly with the new staff and players added. And with better QB coaching and OL play maybe QD will be just fine.

I think at the very least all of our QB's will play better with better coaching. But I still hope we sign a QB this class, need depth and competition at QB this spring and fall.

To be fair, QD was also injured basically from week 1, and it just got worse.

Just such bad coaching. This can't be overstated.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Pretty hard for you or I or anyone else not directly involved with the team to measure toughness and grit of QBs.

I could make a Argument that JG should have toughened up and played at Mizzu and against SM.

Or I could argue Ainge was so scared of contact that he was embarrassingly willing to throw up balls for grabs while getting hit at LSU.

We really don't know who is tough and who isn't from our seats.

Toughness and grit is hard to quantify.


Whether someone is willing to stand upright in the pocket and throw off their front foot in the face of a a pass rush, on the other hand, is easily observable. One of our QBs last year was never willing to do that.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

You can't use the same gif as the other guy. Universal rule. You have to get your own. lol:

Uh.. what? Think you need to look again. I just quoted him