Recruiting Forum Football Talk LII

[Vols4us]

I’m willing to give all of the QBs a mulligan after surviving last year’s offense without a career ending injury. That Larry Scott offense was an abomination, and it repeatedly put players in a position where it wasn’t possible for them to suceed. They also were playing behind an o-line that played soft, and then hurt, and then inexperienced. Add in that them, and everyone around them, had sh@& for technique and mechanics.

Basically, those games were lost because of Butch Jones, his penchant for nepotism in coaching hires, and lax leadership.

There’s a lot of reasons that Dormandy went from throwing lasers in mop up duty to throwing interceptions off his back foot as a starter. There’s a lot of reasons why Guarantano and McBride also struggled.

At this point, you just burn all of the tape from last year, get everyone back in the weight room, and just see what you got in the spring.

For the most part I agree. But I'm not burning the tape. I am studying it thoroughly. I want to know the strengths and weaknesses of each guy. Last season was full of adversity and I want to know who and how much each one fought through it. What happened when each one went against a quality opponent across the LOS? That will go a long way in telling me their character and drive to succeed no matter what. However, I am not holding them responsible individually for the final result. That part should be shat canned.

 

[Kurtastrophe]

One thing about Dormady that stood out to me the most was he was afraid to get hit. As soon as the pocket broke down just a little bit he panicked and threw an incompletion or an INT. Now, obviously our OL was injured and they played awful. Hopefully that gets cleared up quickly with the new staff and players added. And with better QB coaching and OL play maybe QD will be just fine.

I think at the very least all of our QB's will play better with better coaching. But I still hope we sign a QB this class, need depth and competition at QB this spring and fall.

When did he actually hurt the shoulder? That could have had a lot to do with it.

 

[RiotVol]

To be fair, QD was also injured basically from week 1, and it just got worse.

Just such bad coaching. This can't be overstated.

The classic case that should be discussed here is Crompton. He had terrible mechanics, made poor decisions, and at times played scared in the Clawfense.

In less than half a season, Kiffin figured out how to put him in situations to suceed.

Coaching matters, and our guys got some of the worst imaginable last year.

 

[tim]

To be fair, QD was also injured basically from week 1, and it just got worse.

Just such bad coaching. This can't be overstated.

Which may be the cause of his perceived or real reason he threw int's or "panic" when the pocket collapsed. Didn't want to take a hit on that injured wing.

 

[RiotVol]

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For the most part I agree. But I'm not burning the tape. I am studying it thoroughly. I want to know the strengths and weaknesses of each guy. Last season was full of adversity and I want to know who and how much each one fought through it. What happened when each one went against a quality opponent across the LOS? That will go a long way in telling me their character and drive to succeed no matter what. However, I am not holding them responsible individually for the final result. That part should be shat canned.

My comment about burning it was probably D4H style hyperbole.

 

[mccrackb]

To be fair, QD was also injured basically from week 1, and it just got worse.

Just such bad coaching. This can't be overstated.

Facts aren’t needed here, JG has prototypical tats and visor of a real qb

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

The classic case that should be discussed here is Crompton. He had terrible mechanics, made poor decisions, and at times played scared in the Clawfense.

In less than half a season, Kiffin figured out how to put him in situations to suceed.

Coaching matters, and our guys got some of the worst imaginable last year.

This would be a much better comparison than Ainge, IMO.


And Crompton is the one example that should give us all hope that QD’s career can be salvaged.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

One thing about Dormady that stood out to me the most was he was afraid to get hit. As soon as the pocket broke down just a little bit he panicked and threw an incompletion or an INT. Now, obviously our OL was injured and they played awful. Hopefully that gets cleared up quickly with the new staff and players added. And with better QB coaching and OL play maybe QD will be just fine.

I think at the very least all of our QB's will play better with better coaching. But I still hope we sign a QB this class, need depth and competition at QB this spring and fall.

I agree that it seemed like Dormady didnt handle being hit very well. A lot of people seem to be forgetting one thing about Guarantano. He was a freshman. Granted, he was a redshirt but still a freshman nonetheless. Dobbs didn't exactly set the woods on fire his freshman year either. I now trust our coaches on the offensive side of the ball as well to actually develop our QB's. I think Guarantano has a lot more upside than Dormady.

 

[UTProf]

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[SeanJean]

No matter how bad that staff was last year you would think that Dormady would have shown at least a flash or two. He didn't. Every game he played in last year he look like garbage. He might be the type that practices well but craps his pants on Saturdays. I thought Guarantano looked a lot better than Dormady.

He showed plenty of flashes in the first few weeks. He had a fantastic second half against GT that everyone here is just ignoring, and he also had a really good second half at Florida. The only time that offense was even remotely competent was when he was at QB.

When JG was at QB, the offense was absolutely painful to watch. I think he is a talented and a good kid, and a very tough kid, but I certainly didn't see a ton to be excited about him either when he was in. Again, just brutally bad coaching.

 

[RiotVol]

This would be a much better comparison than Ainge, IMO.


And Crompton is the one example that should give us all hope that QD’s career can be salvaged.

I have more hope with Helton and Friend coaching them than Butch, Scott, and Canales.

 

[SeanJean]

I think Guarantano has a lot more upside than Dormady.

I don't disagree with this. QD is what he is at this point, but I think he could be a really effective QB on a team with any clue what it was doing.

 

[Kurtastrophe]

He showed plenty of flashes in the first few weeks. He had a fantastic second half against GT that everyone here is just ignoring, and he also had a really good second half at Florida. The only time that offense was even remotely competent was when he was at QB.

When JG was at QB, the offense was absolutely painful to watch. I think he is a talented and a good kid, and a very tough kid, but I certainly didn't see a ton to be excited about him either when he was in. Again, just brutally bad coaching.

And that is why I am cautiously optimistic that either one of them could turn into quality SEC QBs. We now have coaches.

 

[Orange Studs]

Uh.. what? Think you need to look again. I just quoted him

Slow your roll, cool your jets, it was just a joke. Sorry you missed the sarcasm.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

He showed plenty of flashes in the first few weeks. He had a fantastic second half against GT that everyone here is just ignoring, and he also had a really good second half at Florida. The only time that offense was even remotely competent was when he was at QB.

When JG was at QB, the offense was absolutely painful to watch. I think he is a talented and a good kid, and a very tough kid, but I certainly didn't see a ton to be excited about him either when he was in. Again, just brutally bad coaching.

I don't think your last paragraph is true at all. Do you not remember all the 3 and outs we had with Dormady? The offense did not move the ball effectively at all with him as QB. We struggled to do much against UMASS. Yeah he made a couple good throws here and there but he didn't show very much potential at all. The offense, while still not good, moved the ball better with Guarantano. I really don't think that's debatable.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

He showed plenty of flashes in the first few weeks. He had a fantastic second half against GT that everyone here is just ignoring, and he also had a really good second half at Florida. The only time that offense was even remotely competent was when he was at QB.

When JG was at QB, the offense was absolutely painful to watch. I think he is a talented and a good kid, and a very tough kid, but I certainly didn't see a ton to be excited about him either when he was in. Again, just brutally bad coaching.

Eh, idk. He really only had one good drive that second half of the GT game. He was lucky to not have more INTs that game.

Against UF, he had a decent second half, but Kelly was the leader that game. QD was directly responsible for 7 of UF’s points.


As far as the offense only being watchable when he was in...well he did have the benefit of playing the games early in the season when teams had seen little tape of what a Larry Scott/BJ offense looked like.

 

[Orange Studs]

Guys and Gals,
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You got this Prof! Let us know how it goes. You got Volnation behind you. Although I don't think I would tell them that, not sure how popular we are right now. lol:

 

[Rishvol]

I’m willing to give all of the QBs a mulligan after surviving last year’s offense without a career ending injury. That Larry Scott offense was an abomination, and it repeatedly put players in a position where it wasn’t possible for them to suceed. They also were playing behind an o-line that played soft, and then hurt, and then inexperienced. Add in that them, and everyone around them, had sh@& for technique and mechanics.

Basically, those games were lost because of Butch Jones, his penchant for nepotism in coaching hires, and lax leadership.

There’s a lot of reasons that Dormandy went from throwing lasers in mop up duty to throwing interceptions off his back foot as a starter. There’s a lot of reasons why Guarantano and McBride also struggled.

At this point, you just burn all of the tape from last year, get everyone back in the weight room, and just see what you got in the spring.

You know it's bad when an anthropologist is the voice of reason

 

[rekinhavoc]

Which may be the cause of his perceived or real reason he threw int's or "panic" when the pocket collapsed. Didn't want to take a hit on that injured wing.

Wr’s didn’t help any QB . Too many drops. Many were momentum killers.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I don't think your last paragraph is true at all. Do you not remember all the 3 and outs we had with Dormady? The offense did not move the ball effectively at all with him as QB. We struggled to do much against UMASS. Yeah he made a couple good throws here and there but he didn't show very much potential at all. The offense, while still not good, moved the ball better with Guarantano. I really don't think that's debatable.

Both couldn’t score for different reasons.

With QD it was that he couldn’t challenge defenses deep and throw accurately (besides the one pass to Callaway). This made the offense more predictable and easier to defend.


With JG it was that he had a poor feel for the pocket and took too many sacks that put us way behind in the down and distance and often killed drives.

 

[SeanJean]

I don't think your last paragraph is true at all. Do you not remember all the 3 and outs we had with Dormady? The offense did not move the ball effectively at all with him as QB. We struggled to do much against UMASS. Yeah he made a couple good throws here and there but he didn't show very much potential at all. The offense, while still not good, moved the ball better with Guarantano. I really don't think that's debatable.

Are we forgetting the litany of 3 and outs with JG? He was a 3 and out machine also. They both were. That's the point. The offense was handicapped. The players' talent wasn't the problem.

I was every bit as frustrated watching JG run the offense as QD, the only difference was that JG would stand in the pocket and take sacks instead of throwing the ball away like QD got in a bad habit of doing.

 

[volfanCLT]

Helton the confirmed QB coach right?

 

[WinginFlorida]

Guys and Gals,
I'm going after a position today (this afternoon to be exact) that I really want and could use any positive vibes, prayers, thoughts etc. you can spare.

Good luck.

Quick tip...don't refresh VN on your mobile device more than 3 times during your interview.

 

[Rishvol]

Helton the confirmed QB coach right?

Yep coached a couple of goodins also

 

[volfanCLT]

Are we forgetting the litany of 3 and outs with JG? He was a 3 and out machine also. They both were. That's the point. The offense was handicapped. The players' talent wasn't the problem.

I was every bit as frustrated watching JG run the offense as QD, the only difference was that JG would stand in the pocket and take sacks instead of throwing the ball away like QD got in a bad habit of doing.

This.

The poor QB play had less to do with the talent of Dormady and JG and more to do with their coaching and the offense last year in general. Coaches didn’t put either of them in a position to succeed and both looked awful.