Recruiting Forum Football Talk LVIII

[MetalVolunteer]

Maybe, but they didn't get their outsourcing plan, they didn't get their guy in as head coach, and they definitely didn't get their guy in as AD.

These may be little victories in the grand scheme of things, but they are something, and they wouldn't have even happened just a few short years ago.

All of that is just a drop in the bucket. Until they are COMPLETELY out, nothing will change. There may be little victories but they are winning the war and have been for YEARS. Thus the decline of THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

I got the same email and didn’t like it at all.

I responded to that trash email.

 

[Catbone]

Her termination letter pretty much says she was against the UT powers that be.

UTK is a complete and total sh*t show.

10 years and counting

 

[Catbone]

We'll probably end up with someone worse than Butch Jones or Dave Doeren if Pruitt doesn't work out. I used to scoff at the notion of "no one will want to come here because UT is toxic!"

That was generally said in regards to the fanbase, but it's absolutely true about the administration. If we're back to being the University of Haslam with their stooges as university president, chancellor, and AD, we can forget about ever being relevant in football as long as Jimmy and Bill are alive. No decent coach will touch this job. We'll have to get extremely lucky and pick a solid up-and-comer, but that's not really even their MO. They'll pick some guy who goes 8-4 at a mid-major instead.

There would be apathy like we haven't seen before.

 

[Vols4us]

That’s awesome meanwhile my Reds tied a record for losses before May!!!!

The Castellini's and their cronies with our Reds are the equivalent of the Haslam's with our Vols. Disgusting and embarrassing.

 

[85SugarVol]

Chaaaaavis... come out and plaaaaaay...

 

[volatil]

The Castellini's and their cronies with our Reds are the equivalent of the Haslam's with our Vols. Disgusting and embarrassing.

Great comparison.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Just got a CB for Jalen Curry and Dante Walker

 

[Volnukem]

I don’t like the move because we all know what it is. You can’t argue with the points in the letter to her. Just go back and watch her introduce Fulmer. She was not a good speaker. Having said that, she is being fired over the outsourcing issue. No doubt about it. The email was just DiP employing some ruthless and transparent CYA techniques.

 

[JCLawyerVol]

Someone please post the reply email.

 

[tennvols77]

The Castellini's and their cronies with our Reds are the equivalent of the Haslam's with our Vols. Disgusting and embarrassing.

I know the Castellini family and most of the minority owners, and, to be honest, I struggle with the sentiment. However, it can't be overlooked just how bad the organization is and has been and you can really only point the finger where results point you to go to.

You are right in the equivalency I believe. I do believe that both "want" what is best. Now, the "want" between these 2 is where the problem lies, these are smart and successful people, and the fault is being able to be the money and management on a macro level, whilst being able to step back and allow the people who know more to do the work that is needed on the micro level to become successful. Their "want" to be good and successful and profitable ultimately yields too much hands on when they need to take a step back.

There is too much involvement between the ownership of the sports franchises and daily decisions that need to be "signed off" by them, and the inability to step back mainly because of ego is the issue. But, when you fork over hundred's of millions or billions of your own money I can see the want to be involved, but, you also must be smart enough to allow people who are better in the arena do their work.

Now, in terms of the Haslam's and their involvement at UT, they need to back off and donate, or don't, but, they need to be silent and keep their fingers out of the pie.

 

[Vfl2407]

Half our stadium is ratty as hell. Its not THE most important thing but it does need to happen at some point.

Yep.
South end zone and East side really need some work.

 

[BigZiti09]

Yep.
South end zone and East side really need some work.

Use the profits from winning to fix that. Just win first.

 

[bignewt]

Use the profits from winning to fix that. Just win first.

Trying to figure out why renovations is detrimental to the success of the football team...

 

[BigZiti09]

Trying to figure out why renovations is detrimental to the success of the football team...

Because we worry about buildings instead of winning. Been that way since 2001.

We end up catering to boosters who contribute to these dumbass projects instead of focusing on winning. That’s how the Haslam’s really gained control. Dickey wanted to win. Mid major mike wanted to build castles.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Because we worry about buildings instead of winning. Been that way since 2001.

We end up catering to boosters who contribute to these dumbass projects instead of focusing on winning. That’s how the Haslam’s really gained control. Dickey wanted to win. Mid major mike wanted to build castles.

Can you elaborate? I don’t see it either.

 

[Vols4us]

I know the Castellini family and most of the minority owners, and, to be honest, I struggle with the sentiment. However, it can't be overlooked just how bad the organization is and has been and you can really only point the finger where results point you to go to.

You are right in the equivalency I believe. I do believe that both "want" what is best. Now, the "want" between these 2 is where the problem lies, these are smart and successful people, and the fault is being able to be the money and management on a macro level, whilst being able to step back and allow the people who know more to do the work that is needed on the micro level to become successful. Their "want" to be good and successful and profitable ultimately yields too much hands on when they need to take a step back.

There is too much involvement between the ownership of the sports franchises and daily decisions that need to be "signed off" by them, and the inability to step back mainly because of ego is the issue. But, when you fork over hundred's of millions or billions of your own money I can see the want to be involved, but, you also must be smart enough to allow people who are better in the arena do their work.

Now, in terms of the Haslam's and their involvement at UT, they need to back off and donate, or don't, but, they need to be silent and keep their fingers out of the pie.

Good post. Agree with most everything you stated.

I was born and raised a Reds fan. My dad played low minors ball after WW II and I played in college. I've had many personal experiences with the old BRM players along with KCR's for a couple of years at their ST facilities in FL in the early 80's. Learned a few things from the experiences.

Both families are highly successful at what they do as their primary endeavors. They sincerely want the best to happen IMO. But both are complete failures at what they are passionate about in the sporting world. They don't think right to win consistently at a high level. The success in their primary careers does not translate from one to the other. They think they can daily manage and call all the major shots because they do it in their primary careers. That's boastful pride talking. It is rare for it to work out well that way.

You also cannot choose your buddies to run things (Reds and Vols) or nepotize your way into it either like the Reds have. Whether they realize it or not by doing so they are effectively saying the org is a hobby, their personal toy. The fans beg to differ. So the fans go away and the org sinks lower. Even if they view the sports orgs the same way as they do their primary businesses, they are effectively killing their chances of succeeding by being involved in the day to day decision making. At some point they need to acknowledge they stink at it. Help with the money, hire the best available, and get out of the way. Just be fans and let the professionals do what they do. Hold them accountable for success and if they are not, fire them and hire better. Had the fans not stepped in at UT, the failure would have continued. The fans are stepping in with the Reds. They have stopped going to games.

:hi:

 

[BruinVol]

Because we worry about buildings instead of winning. Been that way since 2001.

We end up catering to boosters who contribute to these dumbass projects instead of focusing on winning. That’s how the Haslam’s really gained control. Dickey wanted to win. Mid major mike wanted to build castles.

Boosters are for $ and facilities.

Tell me how a booster can focus on winning?

 

[VolGee4]

Can you elaborate? I don’t see it either.

I will say it this way. We have spent millions on property and facilities instead of on people. People make an organization successful and then the material things come. I agree that we have hired the wrong people, and that's why we are in this situation.

Bama hires Saban, and the rest is history.

 

[BigZiti09]

Can you elaborate? I don’t see it either.

It's about culture. What do we prioritize?

Bama prioritizes winning. So does Auburn. So does Florida.

We prioritize comfort and facilities.

I think Hammy was put in charge in 2001. At that point our focus became facilities. Under Dickey we were focused on winning big in football. After Hammy took over we started taking on these massive facility projects that required booster contributions. Who was the biggest giver? Haslam. So their influence and power grew.

Things went belly up and we had to hire Hatchet Man Dave Hart to come in and clean house. After that we returned to facilities and Haslam puppet John Currie. Again our focus went back to facilities. Namely the stadium renovation.

We don't need contributions to win at football. We need big donors to help build buildings.

The UTAD needs to focus on winning and stop worrying about facilities. If you win, you will have people lining up to throw money our way. The stadium renovation should start after we hoist a trophy in Atlanta.

It's a culture thing.

 

[BigZiti09]

Boosters are for $ and facilities.

Tell me how a booster can focus on winning?

By giving money and getting out of the way.

I'm against any unnecessary facility upgrades until we are winning again.

Neyland Stadium needs an upgrade? Maybe we shouldn't have built a state of the art pool for the swim team. How many millions we got in the row house? Sure would be nice to have some of the money we spent on a soccer stadium.

 

[Vols4us]

I will say it this way. We have spent millions on property and facilities instead of on people. People make an organization successful and then the material things come. I agree that we have hired the wrong people, and that's why we are in this situation.

Bama hires Saban, and the rest is history.

It's about culture. What do we prioritize?

Bama prioritizes winning. So does Auburn. So does Florida.

We prioritize comfort and facilities.

I think Hammy was put in charge in 2001. At that point our focus became facilities. Under Dickey we were focused on winning big in football. After Hammy took over we started taking on these massive facility projects that required booster contributions. Who was the biggest giver? Haslam. So their influence and power grew.

Things went belly up and we had to hire Hatchet Man Dave Hart to come in and clean house. After that we returned to facilities and Haslam puppet John Currie. Again our focus went back to facilities. Namely the stadium renovation.

We don't need contributions to win at football. We need big donors to help build buildings.

The UTAD needs to focus on winning and stop worrying about facilities. If you win, you will have people lining up to throw money our way. The stadium renovation should start after we hoist a trophy in Atlanta.

It's a culture thing.

These.

 

[bignewt]

It's about culture. What do we prioritize?

Bama prioritizes winning. So does Auburn. So does Florida.

We prioritize comfort and facilities.

I think Hammy was put in charge in 2001. At that point our focus became facilities. Under Dickey we were focused on winning big in football. After Hammy took over we started taking on these massive facility projects that required booster contributions. Who was the biggest giver? Haslam. So their influence and power grew.

Things went belly up and we had to hire Hatchet Man Dave Hart to come in and clean house. After that we returned to facilities and Haslam puppet John Currie. Again our focus went back to facilities. Namely the stadium renovation.

We don't need contributions to win at football. We need big donors to help build buildings.

The UTAD needs to focus on winning and stop worrying about facilities. If you win, you will have people lining up to throw money our way. The stadium renovation should start after we hoist a trophy in Atlanta.

It's a culture thing.

Seems like the right culture can do both. Granted we don't have that.

 

[BruinVol]

By giving money and getting out of the way.

I'm against any unnecessary facility upgrades until we are winning again.

Neyland Stadium needs an upgrade? Maybe we shouldn't have built a state of the art pool for the swim team. How many millions we got in the row house? Sure would be nice to have some of the money we spent on a soccer stadium.

The problem is boosters not getting out of the way much more so than buildings. Boosters don't and can't focus on winning. They fight for power and our leadership hasn't been strong enough to stop that.

 

[BigZiti09]

Seems like the right culture can do both. Granted we don't have that.

Right. We need to have a complete shift in focus.

We can screw up a one car funeral. No way we can juggle building a winning culture and running $100m facility upgrades with the way we operate.

For evidence of that being the case just watch UT sports since 2002.