Recruiting Forum Football Talk LVIII

[jakez4ut]

WNML had one of the on-air guys from the Ticket in Dallas on yesterday to talk about Witten. Made me so miss the Ticket. No hick call-ins. No Heather. Just good radio. Sigh.

yeah, i listen to swain and ainge. i don't mind either of them, and i like that they're sometimes on opposite ends of an issue. i've never listened to the 1st quarter.

but past that....can't stand josh and will. haven't listened to hyams and crew in i don't know how long. i just don't like the sound of tony b's voice...nails on a chalkboard to me....even if the content was great, which it's not, i still couldn't listen to him, and i've tried fox sports radio, but they're just meh.

so after lunch.....knoxville sports radio is dead to me.

 

[Sleegro]

College football 2018: 10 unanswered questions exiting spring football

Couple of interesting things in this article including a blurb about Pruitt's comments after spring. But these first 2 points were the most interesting to me:

1. Will the redshirt rule pass?: It largely got lost in the shuffle of spring game prognostication, but a widely supported change to the redshirt policy was tabled last month. An amendment proposing that a player be allowed to participate in four games during a redshirt year had near unanimous support from coaches, but the Division I Council last month opted to push a vote back on the rule to examine its impact on other sports. That’s not necessarily a death blow to the legislation. It’s just an ominous sign for a rule change that coaches have been pushing for a long time. The Football Oversight Committee will review the proposed change and report back to the DI Council in June.

2. Will transfer legislation change?: Sorry to get too rule-specific here, but there’s little doubt a change to the redshirt policy and a shift in transfer rules are the overriding stories of the offseason. Unlike the potential redshirt changes, there are far more questions than answers in regards to a new transfer rule. There are currently multiple proposals to alter the rule ranging from an academic-based ruling that would allow a player with a GPA above a 3.0 to transfer without restriction to an idea from the Big 12 that would allow athletes to transfer immediately after a coaching change. There are plenty other ideas out there and little consensus heading into the summer. But the NCAA is looking at altering what’s become an archaic policy. There could be movement with this as soon as June when the D1 Council will vote on a proposal that would prevent schools from restricting where an athlete can transfer.

I wasn't aware of some of the new transfer proposals from the second question.

 

[ATC_VOL]

When do they usually start selling individual tickets?

Juneish

 

[jakez4ut]

College football 2018: 10 unanswered questions exiting spring football

Couple of interesting things in this article including a blurb about Pruitt's comments after spring. But these first 2 points were the most interesting to me:



I wasn't aware of some of the new transfer proposals from the second question.

they were talking about that on the radio here in Charlotte a couple weeks ago, sparked a pretty good debate.

i think i'm for the rule that says if a coach leavs on his own for another job, allow the transfer.

not so sure about the 3.0 deal...

i'm not against players trying to find a good situation, but it opens the door for what could be back channel "free agency", and black market recruiting.

i think there should be some relaxation of the transfer rules, cause it's not fair that the player has to just deal with it if things change, but coaches and administrators can do as they please.

that said, there are a lot of unanswered questions as to what that would look like, and how it would be taken advantage of.

i mean, can you image, there'd be some schools that might steer a kid to a 'feeder school' to get some development, or get their grades up, or to put them someplace until the next year when a scholarship spot opens up....

water gets real muddy, real quick, and no way to really regulate that....i mean, you could see Bama feed kids to a place like jax st or troy, until they're soph/jrs, as they have some attrition, and then, just transfer in....

yeah, there's a lot that could go wrong with that.

 

[Aesius]

If we really want to win, we need to outspend Bama on all things football related.

How are we supposed to beat them when they have a 10 year head start on stockpiling 5* recruits and the best coach in CFB AND they outspend us by a wide margin?

Doing anything less than giving Jeremy Pruitt every possible advantage is accepting defeat. I believe Fulmer recognizes that fact, but there are obviously still some obstacles in the way of full buy-in for the football program.

We're making strides in the right direction but it isn't enough. We have to either outspend them or Pruitt has to be the second coming of Saban. Otherwise, we're going to keep losing to them and likely UGA, which is following in their footsteps.

 

[BigZiti09]

If we really want to win, we need to outspend Bama on all things football related.

How are we supposed to beat them when they have a 10 year head start on stockpiling 5* recruits and the best coach in CFB AND they outspend us by a wide margin?

Doing anything less than giving Jeremy Pruitt every possible advantage is accepting defeat. I believe Fulmer recognizes that fact, but there are obviously still some obstacles in the way of full buy-in for the football program.

We're making strides in the right direction but it isn't enough. We have to either outspend them or Pruitt has to be the second coming of Saban. Otherwise, we're going to keep losing to them and likely UGA, which is following in their footsteps.

Stadium Renovations wouldn’t fall in this spending in my book. Has zero impact on winning.

 

[jakez4ut]

wayne davis named interim chancellor

 

[BigZiti09]

Big donors donate big dollars to build big buildings with their names on them in big letters. Neyland Stadium already has someone else's name on it. This phase of renovations is different from the last phase. It doesn't directly benefit most donors and some are cutting back to express displeasure with UT leadership and the lost decade. The Haslams are the only major donors stepping up to bankroll this phase of renos.

Reason enough to put them on the back burner.

 

[jakez4ut]

Stadium Renovations wouldn’t fall in this spending in my book. Has zero impact on winning.

agreed. the type of spending you're talking about, has finally come in to play...s&c staff and facilities, analysts, recruiting budgets, personnel management staff, off field coaches...football resources. :thumbsup:

that's the spending we've needed, and we're getting that right now. as is, our football facilities already compete very favorably with the rest of the country.

 

[LA Vol]

Wayne Davis-- not surprising. A facilities rammer-jammer appointed to state boards by Bill Haslam.

 

[BigZiti09]

agreed. the type of spending you're talking about, has finally come in to play...s&c staff and facilities, analysts, recruiting budgets, personnel management staff, off field coaches...football resources. :thumbsup:

that's the spending we've needed, and we're getting that right now. as is, our football facilities already compete very favorably with the rest of the country.

And why are we going that direction? Because we have an AD who cares about winning first, everything else follows that.

 

[jakez4ut]

and why are we going that direction? Because we have an ad who cares about winning first, everything else follows that.

 

[VolGee4]

Not even close.



AD says we need to upgrade facilities.


Boosters donate funds.


Bosters stay out of the way.


Coaches coach.
Players play.

Bruin, the wrong coaches have been coaching. As a result, some of the rosters have been terrible.

It's not just simple as to say, "coaches coach." You have to hire competent people to run your program and athletic department, and that takes an investment (i.e. $). Spend money on the people first, and the buildings will come. I know it's not a shiny new building to look at, but boosters will still donate money to hire people that succeed.

People run organizations, run your towns, and run the world. Success brings in donations and revenue, and donations and revenue pay for shiny new things. It's not a difficult concept.

 

[ob79]

Being a UT fan is like being in a marriage with someone you love unconditionally, that keeps breaking your heart...over and over and over.

 

[drvenner]

I’m gonna listen to Basilio for the scoop on this one.

He called the shot 6 months ago.

Please let us know what he says or maybe link his blog if he puts it there. I agree that he knows what is happening with this one.

 

[drvenner]

yeah, i listen to swain and ainge. i don't mind either of them, and i like that they're sometimes on opposite ends of an issue. i've never listened to the 1st quarter.

but past that....can't stand josh and will. haven't listened to hyams and crew in i don't know how long. i just don't like the sound of tony b's voice...nails on a chalkboard to me....even if the content was great, which it's not, i still couldn't listen to him, and i've tried fox sports radio, but they're just meh.

so after lunch.....knoxville sports radio is dead to me.

I like Ainge. I used to like Swain a lot, but he got pretty butthurt late in Butch's tenure. Maybe I should have listened to him more then, LOL. Is Swain back on the radio?

 

[BruinVol]

Stadium Renovations wouldn’t fall in this spending in my book. Has zero impact on winning.

Wait?

It has zero effect on winning but directly effects losing?

You confuse me

 

[BruinVol]

Bruin, the wrong coaches have been coaching. As a result, some of the rosters have been terrible.

It's not just simple as to say, "coaches coach." You have to hire competent people to run your program and athletic department, and that takes an investment (i.e. $). Spend money on the people first, and the buildings will come. I know it's not a shiny new building to look at, but boosters will still donate money to hire people that succeed.

People run organizations, run your towns, and run the world. Success brings in donations and revenue, and donations and revenue pay for shiny new things. It's not a difficult concept.

Agreed with all of that

 

[drvenner]

they were talking about that on the radio here in Charlotte a couple weeks ago, sparked a pretty good debate.

i think i'm for the rule that says if a coach leavs on his own for another job, allow the transfer.

not so sure about the 3.0 deal...

i'm not against players trying to find a good situation, but it opens the door for what could be back channel "free agency", and black market recruiting.

i think there should be some relaxation of the transfer rules, cause it's not fair that the player has to just deal with it if things change, but coaches and administrators can do as they please.

that said, there are a lot of unanswered questions as to what that would look like, and how it would be taken advantage of.

i mean, can you image, there'd be some schools that might steer a kid to a 'feeder school' to get some development, or get their grades up, or to put them someplace until the next year when a scholarship spot opens up....

water gets real muddy, real quick, and no way to really regulate that....i mean, you could see Bama feed kids to a place like jax st or troy, until they're soph/jrs, as they have some attrition, and then, just transfer in....

yeah, there's a lot that could go wrong with that.

For the transfer rule, I don't think that there should be any restrictions on scholarship money regardless of where the athlete transfers. If it is not for hardship or other special circumstance, I still think all transfers should sit out a year, including grad transfers.

 

[drvenner]

wayne davis named interim chancellor

Edit: Dean of the College of Engineering.

 

[VolGee4]

If we really want to win, we need to outspend Bama on all things football related.

How are we supposed to beat them when they have a 10 year head start on stockpiling 5* recruits and the best coach in CFB AND they outspend us by a wide margin?

Doing anything less than giving Jeremy Pruitt every possible advantage is accepting defeat. I believe Fulmer recognizes that fact, but there are obviously still some obstacles in the way of full buy-in for the football program.

We're making strides in the right direction but it isn't enough. We have to either outspend them or Pruitt has to be the second coming of Saban. Otherwise, we're going to keep losing to them and likely UGA, which is following in their footsteps.

I don't believe we have to outspend Bama. Just put a competent product out there for the time being. We need to get back to beating USCe, Mizzou, Vandy, and UK. If we improve, we will get players. We will stay competitive with UGA and UF if that happens. We can't expect to beat Bama every year but just compete.

We will probably never see a run like Bama has been on again. I don't expect to spend more or win as much as they do. I just want to compete and be competent. Winning some big games will come if that happens.

 

[jakez4ut]

I like Ainge. I used to like Swain a lot, but he got pretty butthurt late in Butch's tenure. Maybe I should have listened to him more then, LOL. Is Swain back on the radio?

no, just on his app. supposedly will be back on the air in the next couple weeks, they keep hinting at some big announcement, but haven't spilled.

i think you have to take all these guys with a grain of salt.

i like swain, but there were times he was over the top. bare bone basics, he was all over it on his assessment of butch and co, and the things that were going on around and in the program.

but he did get salty, so you had to weigh thru the BS sometimes. it wasn't always as bad as he made it seem.

Ainge, was the opposite end of the spectrum. it definitely wasn't as good as he made it seem.

way i look at it...if Ainge is being critical....there's something to it...and if swain is being positive, then there's something to it.

the in between...up to the listener and their natural persuasion to the positive/negative.....lol.

 

[jakez4ut]

For the transfer rule, I don't think that there should be any restrictions on scholarship money regardless of where the athlete transfers. If it is not for hardship or other special circumstance, I still think all transfers should sit out a year, including grad transfers.

really? i don't mind the grad transfer rule as it is today. the guy did the work, got the degree. he fulfilled his part. he should be able to do what he wishes with that last year of eligibility....

i tend to agree with you on the regular transfer rules. lots of muddy water in allowing immediate transfers for underclassmen/non graduates.

 

[jakez4ut]

Edit: Dean of the College of Engineering.

correct. sorry, i didn't specify that earlier.

 

[Sleegro]

they were talking about that on the radio here in Charlotte a couple weeks ago, sparked a pretty good debate.

i think i'm for the rule that says if a coach leavs on his own for another job, allow the transfer.

not so sure about the 3.0 deal...

i'm not against players trying to find a good situation, but it opens the door for what could be back channel "free agency", and black market recruiting.

i think there should be some relaxation of the transfer rules, cause it's not fair that the player has to just deal with it if things change, but coaches and administrators can do as they please.

that said, there are a lot of unanswered questions as to what that would look like, and how it would be taken advantage of.

i mean, can you image, there'd be some schools that might steer a kid to a 'feeder school' to get some development, or get their grades up, or to put them someplace until the next year when a scholarship spot opens up....

water gets real muddy, real quick, and no way to really regulate that....i mean, you could see Bama feed kids to a place like jax st or troy, until they're soph/jrs, as they have some attrition, and then, just transfer in....

yeah, there's a lot that could go wrong with that.

Agreed