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Take me back to 2010. Who could we have hired with more $?

I know we could have hired someone better than Derek Dooley with alot more money.

I don't know if money had to do with anything with Kiffin, but Gary Patterson was there for the taking.

I agree that it is becoming tougher to just throw money out there for an established coach, and we had some issues when we hired Butch. But it all started downhill after Fulmer.
 
then you're either intentionally being obtuse on this topic, or you've not been paying attention. cause that's exactly how it's been. you can go back and read the articles how how Jones wasn't allowed to hire who he wanted for certain spots on his staff cause he wasn't given the money for it. creating a winning environment, it was not a priority.

that's not an excuse for jones, as much as it is an accurate reflection on where the priorities were top down. and only now, with the changes that have been made, has that changed.

Jones wasn't allowed to hire who he wanted?

I didn't know that. I thought we broke the bank to get shoop
 
I know we could have hired someone better than Derek Dooley with alot more money.

I don't know if money had to do with anything with Kiffin, but Gary Patterson was there for the taking.

I agree that it is becoming tougher to just throw money out there for an established coach, and we had some issues when we hired Butch. But it all started downhill after Fulmer.

Imo the timing of the hire made it very difficult to get a high $ name
 
Yea, I get that the pools for expenses are different, and you start a capital campaign for certain upgrades. But do you not think some big donors wouldn't give you money if you told them that it was time to invest in people?

I agree that donors want their names on things, but there are many others who want to support a winning product. There is a certain allocation of resources involved, and I agree that culture is very much important.

We have to build the culture to where that is the mindset and everyone is on board.

To me that only happens when you make it clear that winning comes first. Halt the stadium reno and come back to it in 3 years when we are winning hopefully.

I'm so sick of hearing about this dumbass stadium renovation. Just tear that side of the stadium down if we are gonna continue with 10 more years of the same product.
 
Imo the timing of the hire made it very difficult to get a high $ name

And we were making that hire because we had a dumbass for an athletic director. Why did we have a dumbass for an athletic director? Because we focused on facilities and comfort. Hamilton was a Haslam yes man too let's not forget. He was the original Currie. Facilities and donations were his specialty.
 
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And we were making that hire because we had a dumbass for an athletic director. Why did we have a dumbass for an athletic director? Because we focused on facilities and comfort. Hamilton was a Haslam yes man too let's not forget. He was the original Currie. Facilities and donations were his specialty.

It was an awful hire. Killed us
 
It was an awful hire. Killed us

I would argue that the worst two hires we’ve made in my lifetime were Currie and Hamilton.

One of the best hires was Fulmer in 93. I hope that before it’s all said and done that Fulmer in 2017 goes down as the best hire of my lifetime.
 
Simonton wrote an article with quotes from Pruitt on 104.5 the zone yesterday...

Following the Orange & White Game in late April, first-year head coach Jeremy Pruitt openly called out Tennessee’s effort in the spring scrimmage — even saying some of his players quit. The candid assessment certainly caught the attention of Vol Nation, and Pruitt was once again asked about his statement Wednesday on Nashville’s 104.5 The Zone Midday 180.

“I’m trying to figure out what y’all want me to be. You don’t want me to be honest?,” Pruitt said. “I think it’s important that everybody knows where they’re at. If you play defensive back and you don’t play with the right toughness or don’t give enough effort, or maybe you’re great at playing man-to-man, you need to know those things. You need to know what your strengths are, what your weaknesses are. If you don’t, how do you address it and improve on it? "Most guys, wherever I’ve been, want feedback. They want to be coached. They want to be the best player possibly be.”

“I went back to way we used to watch video at Plainview (Ala.) High School. We put the whole team in there and we had one video and I ran the video,” he said. “I coached the offense, defense and special teams. Everybody got to see it. Everybody understands where they are at. They understand the expectations. It’s easy. “You just have to say, ‘Hey, who wants to play with this guy? You know. There’s nothing like peer pressure.”

“We’re starting over here. That’s what we’re doing,” Pruitt said. “So I think it’s great to have a guy like coach Fulmer who has actually done it before. He’s very familiar with what goes on at Tennessee, with what has made Tennessee great before. It’s definitely, to me an edge for me, being a first-time head football coach, to have somebody to lean on and bounce stuff off of. “I’d say a lot of folks are probably jealous from that standpoint.”

Last weekend, 25 percent of the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft was coached by a member of Tennessee’s staff. The Midday 180 crew rattled off a number of stats, including 21 picks overall this year and 44 players personally coached by Pruitt since 2012.

“I’ll be honest, I didn’t know all those number. I need to get that from y’all so we can use that,” Pruitt said, laughing. "But we have a really good staff. I think their history of developing players kinds of speaks for itself. It’s kind of unique, that out of 11 of us, including myself, eight started out as high school football coaches. "Pretty much everybody in the room in some for or fashion has been on a team that has been part of a national championship.”

-Simonton
 
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The root of our problems is hiring the wrong ADs, one after another after another for more than a decade. Hammy was all about facilities, and Currie was in it with him. They developed a master plan and made it their mission to see it through at all costs. Currie probably came back for that very reason-- to put his stamp on the stadium renos he started.

We hire hands-off academics as chancellors and lone wolf bureaucrats with massive egos and narrow agendas as ADs, and we have reaped exactly what they have sown. Davenport went out on a limb to seat Fulmer and UT sawed it right out from under her. The interim chancellor is another facilities guy with Bill Haslam on speed dial. The winds of change aren't blowing on The Hill-- not at all.
 
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And again

Kiffin, Dooley, and jones Shoulder much of the blame


If the $ spent on buildings kept us from hiring a better coach in either of Those searches then I agree with you

I Have seen no evidence saying we choose buildings over hiring a higher $ coach

Wrong, the toxic culture in the UT AD, the BOT, and Haslams heavy handed ways are to blame. They got who they wanted, or because of the culture, who would take the job.

Those guys deserve a share of the blame, but not all if it.

If someone offered me a job paying millions of dollars, with a huge buyout, that I wasn't even sure if I could succeed at, your dang skippy I would take it in a heartbeat. It would set me and my family up for life regardless of the outcome.

So I would pick up a few haters of I failed? Big deal, the line starts to the right.
 
Last weekend, 25 percent of the first round of the 2018 NFL Draft was coached by a member of Tennessee’s staff. The Midday 180 crew rattled off a number of stats, including 21 picks overall this year and 44 players personally coached by Pruitt since 2012.

“I’ll be honest, I didn’t know all those number. I need to get that from y’all so we can use that,” Pruitt said, laughing. "But we have a really good staff. I think their history of developing players kinds of speaks for itself. It’s kind of unique, that out of 11 of us, including myself, eight started out as high school football coaches. "Pretty much everybody in the room in some for or fashion has been on a team that has been part of a national championship.”
and there are people out there that say we shouldn't promote this.........lol. that's awesome.
 
Money donated for renovations doesn't come from the staff pool.

That's not the problem.

The problem is a cultural one. I've said it multiple times today. What do we prioritize? Facilities and comfort.

Is it possible to build buildings and win? Sure. Is it possible at UT? Nope. We don't want to win like our opponents want it. We want to be comfortable.

Facility upgrades and renos that don't directly impact winning should be put on the back burner. South endzone needs some work? Just keep the recruits away from the south end zone. Soccer team needs a new training facility? Sorry. Gotta wait til football is fixed.
Weight room needs an overhaul cause the last guy was running a night club/yoga center? Lets spend what it takes to get it right.

Can you blame them? I've asked this question many times.... what motivation does the administration to emphasize winning? Despite the fact that our football has been average at best and pathetic at worst for the last decade, it is one of the most profitable in the country. As long as people keep throwing money their way regardless of performance, there is zero motivation to change. From a business perspective it's a winning formula.
 
The root of our problems is hiring the wrong ADs, one after another after another for more than a decade. Hammy was all about facilities, and Currie was in it with him. They developed a master plan and made it their mission to see it through at all costs. Currie probably came back for that very reason-- to put his stamp on the stadium renos he started.

We hire hands-off academics as chancellors and lone wolf bureaucrats with massive egos and narrow agendas as ADs, and we have reaped exactly what they have sown. Davenport went out on a limb to seat Fulmer and UT sawed it right out from under her. The interim chancellor is another facilities guy with Bill Haslam on speed dial. The winds of change aren't blowing on The Hill-- not at all.

Now to clarify - and if this has been addressed, forgive me - but I thought Phil and Joe D were tight. So what I’m having trouble reconciling is why would a lame duck president fire a chancellor who put one of his allies in the AD position simply to placate the Haslams?
 
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Stadium Renovations wouldn’t fall in this spending in my book. Has zero impact on winning.

Not talking about that. Talking about staff pay and the overall size of the staff itself. We upgraded there but it isn't enough.
 
WNML had one of the on-air guys from the Ticket in Dallas on yesterday to talk about Witten. Made me so miss the Ticket. No hick call-ins. No Heather. Just good radio. Sigh.

Same hosts since forever. Bob Sturm is getting big NFL analytical work lately.
 
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Butch Jones was allowed to bring the staff he wanted, and he was given the money he needed to bring in Shoop and Scott. The ROI got progressively worse on his personnel decisions, and it became obvious UT wasn't spending its way out of the mess Butch created while the program was under his watch. Both camps knew an expensive divorce was coming. The mistake wasn't not giving Butch whatever he wanted that last year; it was not parting ways with him a season sooner. That's where the cheapness cost us.
 
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Butch Jones was allowed to bring the staff he wanted, and he was given the money he needed to bring in Shoop and Scott. The ROI got progressively worse on his personnel decisions, and it became obvious UT wasn't spending its way out of the mess Butch created while the program was under his watch. Both camps knew an expensive divorce was coming. The mistake wasn't not giving Butch whatever he wanted that last year; it was not parting ways with him a season sooner. That's where the cheapness cost us.

We spend dimes to save nickels more than any other organization I can think of.
 
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