Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[Smokey123]

That's what I thought. Reversing the call on review takes away SCAR's chance to tie the game. But I agree-- the loss falls on the players and the coaches. UT had numerous opportunities to win and came up short.

Yup, woulda started the 4th up 8 and had the ball, instead it was tied. Indeed. This loss hurts because we had every chance to win. Scar didn’t even get a lead until 5 minutes to go

 

[SugarCC]

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The fumble wasn't reviewed. The SEC official didn't buzz the field, Pruitt didn't question the call and nothing was done. UT's players were sure it was a fumble and the announcers agreed. In a situation like that, the HC has to call a TO and question the on-field ruling. You'd better believe Muschamp wouldn't have been passive about it.

I believe whistling the play dead means the fumble can't be advanced. Bituli's TD wouldn't have counted, even though he ran it back, but the fumble could have been reviewed and UT given possession. SCAR wouldn't have scored and the momentum would have shifted in UT's favor.

I agree, the play should have been reviewed; but, am I wrong, LA, in thinking Pruitt couldn't challenge it, since the play was blown dead?

 

[Smokey123]

I agree, I would've liked to have tried and got points there, as well; but, I can also understand the decision not to. We had the lead, and were getting the ball to open the 2nd half...I guess they thought, don't risk maybe throwing a pick 6, or turning it over to give SC a shot at a FG attempt. But, yeah...I would've liked them to give it a shot, too.

I mean I understand the decision too. But he’s been aggressive all year. If he feels he needs to make up for his teams lack of talent then going for atleast a FG should be obvious. I don’t see how he goes from the above to coaching not to lose

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Not much to add that hasn’t been said:

Not really sure what happened here

1. Fumble. How on earth?

2. Samuel TD. Ball may have been moving a bit on the tuck, but it was out of the official’s view

3. Offense was great first half. Excellent planning by Helton.

4. Players, not scheme is the primary issue. It’s what keeps me calm this season. Misexecutions and penalties were brutal.

5. Jennings penalty was so weak. Players curse each other up and down the field every play and you call that weak sauce passive crap? Ridiculous

6. JG has to throw that last ball somewhere.

7. We injured their entire team at some point. It was bizarre how many SC players were shaken up.

8. Still a big Tim Jordan fan. Great for YAC. Learning to hit his holes right.

9. Glad to see CFA getting touches again. More please.

10. Every game is winnable. Mizzou is really not much in the SEC. Vandy can be beat. Let UGA soften up KY while we tune up with Charlotte. Not a bad place to be right now.

 

[SugarCC]

I mean I understand the decision too. But he’s been aggressive all year. If he feels he needs to make up for his teams lack of talent then going for atleast a FG should be obvious. I don’t see how he goes from the above to coaching not to lose

I feel the same way, man.

Bigger picture, I still believe, wholeheartedly, we have a great coach, and he will be the guy to get us back; however, I know he's most definitely going to be prone to make mistakes this year, and TBH, I'm cool with it. He's still learning about being a HC. I'd rather him make them this year and learn from them, to get better going forward. It's frustrating now; but, I think we'll be better for it in the long run...and this is what it's all about, the long run.

 

[Smokey123]

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I agree, the play should have been reviewed; but, am I wrong, LA, in thinking Pruitt couldn't challenge it, since the play was blown dead?

yes. Pruitt could have called a TO and asked for a review. If overturned we take over at the spot of the recovery with no return.

 

[85SugarVol]

Not much to add that hasn’t been said:

Not really sure what happened here

1. Fumble. How on earth?

2. Samuel TD. Ball may have been moving a bit on the tuck, but it was out of the official’s view

3. Offense was great first half. Excellent planning by Helton.

4. Players, not scheme is the primary issue. It’s what keeps me calm this season. Misexecutions and penalties were brutal.

5. Jennings penalty was so weak. Players curse each other up and down the field every play and you call that weak sauce passive crap? Ridiculous

6. JG has to throw that last ball somewhere.

7. We injured their entire team at some point. It was bizarre how many SC players were shaken up.

8. Still a big Tim Jordan fan. Great for YAC. Learning to hit his holes right.

9. Glad to see CFA getting touches again. More please.

10. Every game is winnable. Mizzou is really not much in the SEC. Vandy can be beat. Let UGA soften up KY while we tune up with Charlotte. Not a bad place to be right now.

Jennings planted the ball in the center of the defenders chest, directly in front of the referee.

Another game, another chance for Juaun Jennings to do something stupid that hurts this football team.

If he can’t find a way to play at least halfway intelligently, I don’t want him out there. And I won’t miss him when he’s gone.

 

[SugarCC]

yes. Pruitt could have called a TO and asked for a review. If overturned we take over at the spot of the recovery with no return.

From what I understand from reading the rule, I believe you're right. For some reason, I thought the whistle blowing the play dead, which shouldn't have happened, screwed us.

 

[The Dog]

Jennings planted the ball in the center of the defenders chest, directly in front of the referee.

Another game, another chance for Juaun Jennings to do something stupid that hurts this football team.

If he can’t find a way to play at least halfway intelligently, I don’t want him out there. And I won’t miss him when he’s gone.

I agree, no doubt that was a penalty and it was stupid. Probably, cost UT some points, although the way they drove the field before halftime, it's debatable whether or not they would have scored anyway. But, I still love JJ's competitive spirit and wish we had more players like him on this team. As much as that penalty hurt us, I think not getting the ball in JJ's hands a few more times, hurt us even more. I will miss him when he is gone

 

[Smokey123]

How certain are you about that, Smokey? You may be right; but, for some reason, I don't think he can. The play was blown dead, with SC having the ball, that was the call...the wrong call, but that was the standing call when the whistle blew, THEN Bituli came out of the pile with it. I really don't think anything could have been done there, as far as we were concerned. It sucks, but that whistle blowing the play dead screwed us. If the whistle had never blown, and a fumble had been called, with us getting it, Mchamp could have challenged the fumble. Again, it sucks; but, I think that may be the rule.

However, again, I may be wrong; but, the whistle blowing ended the shot we had at recovering the fumble. The whistle should have never been blown.

I’m 99.9% sure. Unless the whistle was blown because of foward progression, which I don’t think it was, was it? The whistle means a dead ball and it can’t be ADVANCED. Last year Mark Ingram had a long run, but the ref called him out of bounds and ruled the play dead. Saints wanted to challenge but couldn’t since the play was ruled dead. On fumbles they can be challenged and reversed, but you would take over at the spot of the TO (when the play was ruled dead). I hope that made sense

 

[SugarCC]

I’m 99.9% sure. Unless the whistle was blown because of foward progression, which I don’t think it was, was it? The whistle means a dead ball and it can’t be ADVANCED. Last year Mark Ingram had a long run, but the ref called him out of bounds and ruled the play dead. Saints wanted to challenge but couldn’t since the play was ruled dead. On fumbles they can be challenged and reversed, but you would take over at the spot of the TO (when the play was ruled dead). I hope that made sense

I edited my post, if you want to check it out; but, now you've gone and brought up forward progress.

The whistle was blown for forward progress, if I'm not mistaken. I believe the whistle screwed us all the way around. You talking about the Ingram play, this is kind of the same thing, the play was blown dead. The rule I was able to read says a coach can call a TO to challenge a fumble/non fumble; but, I wasn't able to find any specifics.

 

[SugarCC]

Man, the idiots are really coming out of the woodwork after that game. There are a lot of stupid ass posters on this board.

Yep.

 

[Smokey123]

I edited my post, if you want to check it out; but, now you've gone and brought up forward progress.

The whistle was blown for forward progress, if I'm not mistaken. I believe the whistle screwed us all the way around.

Well if the whistle was blown for foward progress then you are correct and the play would not have been reviewable. You can challenge the spot of the ball but not a fumble on foward progression. Didn’t realize that was the call, but if it was it makes sense. Since he was on top of players and never appeared to go down

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

SMH

 

[SugarCC]

SMH

 

[SugarCC]

Well if the whistle was blown for foward progress then you are correct and the play would not have been reviewable. You can challenge the spot of the ball but not a fumble on foward progression. Didn’t realize that was the call, but if it was it makes sense. Since he was on top of players and never appeared to go down

I'm almost certain it was blown dead for forward progress; but, I'll go back and watch it to be sure.

Go Vols, my man.

 

[Smokey123]

I'm almost certain it was blown dead for forward progress; but, I'll go back and watch it to be sure.

Go Vols, my man.

Lmk if you find out. I Can’t really blame them if that’s the case, doubt they saw the ball come out in that pile. Don’t have the benefit of slowing it down like we do on TV

 

[Catbone]

I spent 50 bucks on drinking tonight now I'm sober and pissed off again. Not worth. Completely ruined my weekend. Meh

 

[JCP201]

Calloway was ready for a fight all night-- early on one of the big guys (Wolf?) stopped him..

I see so much improvement with this team. Pruitt has done wonders. It just hurts because I feel like we should have won this game.

 

[Paper_Towel]

Just woke up and I still want to beat the chit out of someone.

 

[drvenner]

Looks like Pruitt is going with the ol’ “it’s my fault” after a loss again tonight. Wonder how many more times he gets to use that before people start realizing he has a point.

What would you rather he say? I agree a lot of the loss is on him, or, at least him and the defensive staff. But, seriously, what else could he or should he say?

 

[drvenner]

If you are playing 4 down territory, you run the ball on 3rd and 7 for a much more manageable 4th and 2/3 yards to go. Maybe even get the first down on the run play.

Didnt like the 3rd down call for the pass to Calloway.

He was open. He just dropped it.

 

[drvenner]

The fumble wasn't reviewed. The SEC official didn't buzz the field, Pruitt didn't question the call and nothing was done. UT's players were sure it was a fumble and the announcers agreed. In a situation like that, the HC has to call a TO and question the on-field ruling. You'd better believe Muschamp wouldn't have been passive about it.

I believe whistling the play dead means the fumble can't be advanced. Bituli's TD wouldn't have counted, even though he ran it back, but the fumble could have been reviewed and UT given possession. SCAR wouldn't have scored and the momentum would have shifted in UT's favor.

I agree with this. You call timeout and make them explain why it is not being reviewed, at the very least.

 

[Paper_Towel]

I agree with this. You call timeout and make them explain why it is not being reviewed, at the very least.

Partial blame could go to the staff in the booth who usually lets a coach know about those sort of things. They have TV screens broadcasting the game, they could see what Pruitt could not.

 

[vol2002]

Looks like Pruitt is going with the ol’ “it’s my fault” after a loss again tonight. Wonder how many more times he gets to use that before people start realizing he has a point.

Some of our fans need to go back and relive the November coaching search. Nobody wanted this job for a reason. We up and turn on Pruitt in year 1, our next coaching search is going to look ten times worse.