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I’ve been having laggy typing somewhat poor site performance on iOS ever since the update. The new site is way better on a computer, but I kind of miss old VN for mobile.
 
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McGeesPub said:
RL seems to be throwing a strawman out there to me. I’m sure there are people who want coaches fired, but I haven’t really seen any. I’m not going looking for them, but wanting anyone fired right now is as silly as someone’s strategy to go ahead and give them an extension and raise.
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He has his own board, so I can't answer that. I am not going to find them either. Still doesn't change my suggestion on why he wrote it. It really doesn't matter to my suggestion/argument.
 
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LA Vol said:
Nothing like tossing out a tasty tidbit about coach firing to get UT fans riled up and clicking. Rob has probably gotten more attention today than he has all year-- about something that only the looniest of the lunatic fringe has even pondered.
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There is no doubt that Pruitt is catching more heat after that loss because of his decisions as opposed to our lack of talent. It's not necessarily coming from me. But that's the reason for the comments.

I like you, LA, and I actually agree with what you said (for about the third time). But I don't think Rob's comments were out of line and were very logical.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Now that we can be upset about!
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Anyone who is actually blaming the loss on the refs doesn't understand sports at all. They missed 1 call okay. What about TK jr getting burned over the top to help set up for that moment. What about Palmers drops. What about Pruitt not trying to score before half. How about the defense giving up 240 rush yards. Pruitt was outcoached on his side of the ball. USCjr went to 11 personnel and we were lost. This is on,UT way mor than it is on the refs
 
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Unlike some folks, I'm not going to bash a guy that is giving his all for Tennessee. Having said that, and unlike a whole different set of folks, I don't think some of JG's issues are correctable.

First and foremost, holding the ball too long. If anything, with the beatings he's taken over the last two seasons, you would think he would be to the point of erring on the side of getting rid of the ball too quickly. Instead, it's the opposite. Unless the play is designed for him to get rid of it quickly (i.e. the vast array of screens we utilized at SC...which removes any requirement for him to quickly process information and make the best decision), he simply can't make his reads and get rid of the ball as fast as he should.

Also, throwing too late. There have been lots of times where he needs to throw a ball to the open spot where his receiver will be. Instead, he waits for his receiver to reach that spot, at which point the defender has had time to recover and contest the pass.

I just don't think these are correctable and, therefore, don't have any expectation that his performance will improve in these areas. I realize that the coaches see these guys in practice, and if JG is better than KC, then so be it. That's part of the frustration of fandom...you have to either blindly trust the coaches evaluations or be disgruntled that they don't make the change that seems to be such an obvious improvement.
 
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Chuckie said:
Unlike some folks, I'm not going to bash a guy that is giving his all for Tennessee. Having said that, and unlike a whole different set of folks, I don't think some of JG's issues are correctable.

First and foremost, holding the ball too long. If anything, with the beatings he's taken over the last two seasons, you would think he would be to the point of erring on the side of getting rid of the ball too quickly. Instead, it's the opposite. Unless the play is designed for him to get rid of it quickly (i.e. the vast array of screens we utilized at SC...which removes any requirement for him to quickly process information and make the best decision), he simply can't make his reads and get rid of the ball as fast as he should.

Also, throwing too late. There have been lots of times where he needs to throw a ball to the open spot where his receiver will be. Instead, he waits for his receiver to reach that spot, at which point the defender has had time to recover and contest the pass.

I just don't think these are correctable and, therefore, don't have any expectation that his performance will improve in these areas. I realize that the coaches see these guys in practice, and if JG is better than KC, then so be it. That's part of the frustration of fandom...you have to either blindly trust the coaches evaluations or be disgruntled that they don't make the change that seems to be such an obvious improvement.
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That's the thing, its not that JG is better than KC but JG transferring if KC took over the job would put a serious damper on next year, hence JG plays. Its the lesser of two evils being played out.
 
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VolGee4 said:
There is no doubt that Pruitt is catching more heat after that loss because of his decisions as opposed to our lack of talent. It's not necessarily coming from me. But that's the reason for the comments.

I like you, LA, and I actually agree with what you said (for about the third time). But I don't think Rob's comments were out of line and were very logical.
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I don't want to write a rebuttal, so I'm happy to concede the point. I'm relieved I don't have to argue against you in court. ;)
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Anyone who is actually blaming the loss on the refs doesn't understand sports at all. They missed 1 call okay. What about TK jr getting burned over the top to help set up for that moment. What about Palmers drops. What about Pruitt not trying to score before half. How about the defense giving up 240 rush yards. Pruitt was outcoached on his side of the ball. USCjr went to 11 personnel and we were lost. This is on,UT way mor than it is on the refs
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They missed more than 1 critical call, but I do agree that refs don't determine who wins and loses.
 
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Chuckie said:
Unlike some folks, I'm not going to bash a guy that is giving his all for Tennessee. Having said that, and unlike a whole different set of folks, I don't think some of JG's issues are correctable.

First and foremost, holding the ball too long. If anything, with the beatings he's taken over the last two seasons, you would think he would be to the point of erring on the side of getting rid of the ball too quickly. Instead, it's the opposite. Unless the play is designed for him to get rid of it quickly (i.e. the vast array of screens we utilized at SC...which removes any requirement for him to quickly process information and make the best decision), he simply can't make his reads and get rid of the ball as fast as he should.

Also, throwing too late. There have been lots of times where he needs to throw a ball to the open spot where his receiver will be. Instead, he waits for his receiver to reach that spot, at which point the defender has had time to recover and contest the pass.

I just don't think these are correctable and, therefore, don't have any expectation that his performance will improve in these areas. I realize that the coaches see these guys in practice, and if JG is better than KC, then so be it. That's part of the frustration of fandom...you have to either blindly trust the coaches evaluations or be disgruntled that they don't make the change that seems to be such an obvious improvement.
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Preaching to the choir
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Anyone who is actually blaming the loss on the refs doesn't understand sports at all. They missed 1 call okay. What about TK jr getting burned over the top to help set up for that moment. What about Palmers drops. What about Pruitt not trying to score before half. How about the defense giving up 240 rush yards. Pruitt was outcoached on his side of the ball. USCjr went to 11 personnel and we were lost. This is on,UT way mor than it is on the refs
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Anyone who says that officials don't matter in sports doesn't understand sports at all. I have played basketball and baseball and watched football for as long as I can remember.
Sure, our guys could have made plays and "overcome" certain bad calls. That happens all of the time. Bama gets a bad call, and they overcome it all of the time. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be called.

But, officials can influence the outcome of a game. Not saying that they purposely want one team to win, but they can influence it. When a fumble is not called, it allowed USC to score at a critical time as opposed to UT getting the ball back. If a targeting on Chandler is called, it allows UT to get 15 more yards when our offense is very deliberate at moving the ball (in addition to keeping a player in the game for USC). When a DPI is called on Buchanan, it allows USC to move the ball 15 yards down the field, which doesn't help our defense. By the way, the officials had to overturn the TD call on the field. All of these calls effect down and distance, personnel in the game, playcalling, and who knows what else. To just suggest that it doesn't have any bearing is silly to me.

The officials had a bad night, and it's not surprising. It happens every week now.
 
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bignewt said:
That's the thing, its not that JG is better than KC but JG transferring if KC took over the job would put a serious damper on next year, hence JG plays. Its the lesser of two evils being played out.
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I don’t think that’s true.

They’re playing JG because they think he’s better. Pruitt has proven they’ll play whoever gives them the best chance to win.
 
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bignewt said:
That's the thing, its not that JG is better than KC but JG transferring if KC took over the job would put a serious damper on next year, hence JG plays. Its the lesser of two evils being played out.
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I am really starting to believe this. JG should sit after the first Vol TD this weekend. However if KY blanks us in the first half the following week, look for KC to take over.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Anyone who says that officials don't matter in sports doesn't understand sports at all. I have played basketball and baseball and watched football for as long as I can remember.
Sure, our guys could have made plays and "overcome" certain bad calls. That happens all of the time. Bama gets a bad call, and they overcome it all of the time. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be called.

But, officials can influence the outcome of a game. Not saying that they purposely want one team to win, but they can influence it. When a fumble is not called, it allowed USC to score at a critical time as opposed to UT getting the ball back. If a targeting on Chandler is called, it allows UT to get 15 more yards when our offense is very deliberate at moving the ball (in addition to keeping a player in the game for USC). When a DPI is called on Buchanan, it allows USC to move the ball 15 yards down the field, which doesn't help our defense. By the way, the officials had to overturn the TD call on the field. All of these calls effect down and distance, personnel in the game, playcalling, and who knows what else. To just suggest that it doesn't have any bearing is silly to me.

The officials had a bad night, and it's not surprising. It happens every week now.
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But They arent the reason TN lost. Letting Scar run wild. Dropped passes. JJ celebration. Callaway not being smart enough to walk away. I could keep going on but TN made too many miscues to win.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I don’t think that’s true.

They’re playing JG because they think he’s better. Pruitt has proven they’ll play whoever gives them the best chance to win.
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Don't agree when you look at where we would be if JG transferred next year, they can read the tea leaves and even though Chryst might would win us a game or two more this year it doesn't amount to what JG will get us next year if he is here.
 
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bignewt said:
Don't agree when you look at where we would be if JG transferred next year, they can read the tea leaves and even though Chryst might would win us a game or two more this year it doesn't amount to what JG will get us next year if he is here.
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Well, I think it’s a false assumption to say Chryst would win a game or two more this year.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
Anyone who is actually blaming the loss on the refs doesn't understand sports at all. They missed 1 call okay. What about TK jr getting burned over the top to help set up for that moment. What about Palmers drops. What about Pruitt not trying to score before half. How about the defense giving up 240 rush yards. Pruitt was outcoached on his side of the ball. USCjr went to 11 personnel and we were lost. This is on,UT way mor than it is on the refs
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You're right....we did not have a perfectly called game or perfect execution by the players, but anyone saying the refs didn't have an effect on the outcome is focusing only on our team. SC had as many mistakes and bad play calls. No one has a perfect game ever.
 
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bignewt said:
That's the thing, its not that JG is better than KC but JG transferring if KC took over the job would put a serious damper on next year, hence JG plays. Its the lesser of two evils being played out.
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Been saying this all year! The "transfer" stat is the one JG is winning against KC and it why he's starting. JMO

EDIT: And I'm saying this not as a JG hater. I think all you have to do is look at the roster to understand that if JG and KC are even remotely close JG is going to get the nod for this reason.
 
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bignewt said:
I think its the fear deep down in their souls that they have been down this same road 3 times before...
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Bingo.

I overlooked red flags from Dooley and Jones in 2010/2013-14, which I think makes me hypersensitive to losses like that one.

There are games where you feel like if the coach is what he hopes you are, they should win. Saturday felt like that, but I also know we’ve got a patchwork football team sorely lacking in talent. Then again, that was true for Dooley and Jones, too.
 
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