Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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ChismsHeadband said:
Just saying. There's only so much bitching we can do. Like, someone yesterday was talking about being some "sheep" (ikr) because he thought JG lost us the game or whatever. Like, we're fans, even if we're "woke" (I know I know), we're... fans.. Really nothing for us to do. Gonna #BoycottNeyland again? Gimme a break.
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Don't think that was his point. His point wasn't really even critical against the staff more at Rob Lewis. The minute we become ok with barely losing to SC then we've made the transition to Vandy.

I get it, you have to have perspective. I'm not down on this staff, well maybe a little with Helton. I'm still in a wait and see mode. I ask myself, has this staff underachieved, just achieved, or overachieved? I definitely don't think they have over achieved and I don't think they've underachieved either. Still a lot of football left to be played. If we go 4-8, I'm not sure Butch couldn't have equalled that. If we go 5-7, I'd say he did just about what should have been expected of him. He goes 6-6, I'd say he's overachieved. I do think we let one get away. How much was coaching is arguable and impossible to prove one way or another. Like I've said many times, this coaching staff is made up of many first. They have some growing to do too.
 
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Ok peeps. I got a little out of control about the refs. But after listening to the locked on podcast today I feel better. We will not hear it was the bad calls by the refs from Pruitt. He is going to say we cant do that. And after pondering it he is right. Can only blame dumb mistakes on the players. Now having said that I have full confidence I him coaching that out of them,how long will it take, who knows but I do know he is showing them exactly what to do and what not to do. Might take 2 to 3 years before we can expect 10 win seasons. But we are seeing fight, and progress right now and that makes me happy. We are not ever supposed to feel good about a loss this week is no different. But it does help that more of ou guys are fighting damnit. Si I am going to sit back and learn t ok be patient knowing we have the leadership in the right places now going forward.(fulmer and Pruitt and all the staff. Don't get down my friends it WILL get better. GBMFO 🍊🍊🍊
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
2 things here:

1. This is total speculation with no supporting evidence.

2. If that was really the case, why not give KC the start last week when it was obvious JG was hampered by injury? We’ve seen the staff change starters all over the field on a weekly basis, but QB has been on of the few spots they’ve only given the backup a run in garbage time or because of injury.

So it seems like either there’s a legitimate reason they don’t want to play KC over JG, or they’re bowtowing to a players who’s been average-ish all season.

I’m leaning towards the former, because nothing in KC’s career has shown him to be any better than the QB play we’ve see this season. But maybe you’re right and this is a foreboding sign for this staff. Year one is mighty early to be handing out PT to a lesser player because of flight risks.
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Im just saying it has played a part but if there was one thing KC did it was win.
 
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My thoughts on the officiating....

I don't believe we lost the game because of the officials. I do believe there is a bias in officiating. I do think we got the short end of many calls Saturday. Remember, it's not just the calls that they call against you, it's the ones that they don't call against your opponent. SC having only 2 penalties for 9 yards is pretty telling. By the strictest letter of the law, the PI against Buchanan was PI. But the same standards were not applied to the SC dbs. They literally had the same level of physicality against our receivers on every passing play. The refs can and do allow one team or another to play more physical than another. Jmo
 
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SaguaroVols said:
We know what we get with JG at QB.

Let KC start against Charlotte and see what he can do with this O over the course of a whole game.
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Can you imagine crap storm this site would have if KC played in the next game and outplayed JG? I don't think Pruitt is gonna let that happen. I really don't see why KC came here. The deck was stacked against him from day one. If he won the starting job, JG may have transferred and we would have been screwed next year. Pruitt had to put him in the Alabama game and he really looked good. It's just all speculation now because KC is not gonna get any meaningful snaps unless JG gets hurt.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
My thoughts on the officiating....

I don't believe we lost the game because of the officials. I do believe there is a bias in officiating. I do think we got the short end of many calls Saturday. Remember, it's not just the calls that they call against you, it's the ones that they don't call against your opponent. SC having only 2 penalties for 9 yards is pretty telling. By the strictest letter of the law, the PI against Buchanan was PI. But the same standards were not applied to the SC dbs. They literally had the same level of physicality against our receivers on every passing play. The refs can and do allow one team or another to play more physical than another. Jmo
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If all of this is true (and I believe it is), then yes, the officials did or didn’t do things that aided our loss. One single thing alone (reviewing an obvious fumble and TN recovery at the goal line) makes for an 8 point difference in the game. That lost us the game.
 
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bignewt said:
Im just saying it has played a part but if there was one thing KC did it was win.
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In 2016 with a top Heisman hopeful, top 10 pick at RB for opponents to focus on against 5 losing teams that went a combined 19-41, sure he did.

In 2017, he got replaced by a very average QB after going 2-2 against opponents with winning records.
 
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The whole JG vs KC argument is pointless and a wash at this point. We all have our sides and it’s not going to change. The bigger question is if you feel comfortable going into next year with JG as your starter. In hopes of getting to realistically probably 7-5 or 8-4.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Ours was probably the only P5 staff willing to give him a chance to compete to be a starter. His uncle wouldn’t even take him and Hornibrook has never done anything to inspire confidence at Wisconsin.
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THats a pretty big assumption lol. You know that wU turned him away?
 
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HankHill said:
The whole JG vs KC argument is pointless and a wash at this point. We all have our sides and it’s not going to change. The bigger question is if you feel comfortable going into next year with JG as your starter. In hopes of getting to realistically probably 7-5 or 8-4.
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Is anybody comfortable with this? I’d love to land a stud freshman who can take over the reigns day one, but we don’t seem to be in a position for that to happen.

Maybe Taulia flips and can be like his brother, but McBride is no lock to stick around, Shrout is still super inexperienced and a projected, and Maurer has good upside but doesn’t necessarily look ready to start as a true freshman.

It’s one thing to say that JG is the best we have and likely will be in 2019. It’s another thing to be thrilled about or pretend like he doesn’t still have a long way to go to being above average.

IMO the only way we get to 7-8 wins next year is if the defense takes a massive, unexpected step forward and can be good enough to carry the team or if the OL takes a massive, unexpected step forward and allows us to grind games out on the ground week after week.
 
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Rishvol said:
No they can't. The timeout only gives the refs more time to look at the play but the refs never intended to look at that play. Probably ever again
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Yeah they can’t review a play if it’s been called dead. Bad luck for us there.


I do think he probably should have used a TO to get them to take a look at the one passing TD that was bobbled as well as the one late against Auburn, though.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Yeah they can’t review a play if it’s been called dead. Bad luck for us there.


I do think he probably should have used a TO to get them to take a look at the one passing TD that was bobbled as well as the one late against Auburn, though.
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They wouldn't of over turned the one handed TD.
 
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HankHill said:
The whole JG vs KC argument is pointless and a wash at this point. We all have our sides and it’s not going to change. The bigger question is if you feel comfortable going into next year with JG as your starter. In hopes of getting to realistically probably 7-5 or 8-4.
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Hell yea I do

Very excited about next year on offense

The other side not so much
 
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engineerVOL said:
After Saturday I’m glad we have Tyson, that was masterful.
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I can’t wait to see what he and JG can do behind a legit offensive line. It seems I’m in a tiny minority but I think JG can pick a team to shreads if he has time back there. I think he’s a really good QB and we’re lucky to have him in year 1 of a major rebuild.
 
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