Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[Smokey123]

Are we projecting a top 10 this year? Realistically?

There’s a very good chance

 

[The Dog]

Yes, UT is 14th on 247 and 9th on Rivals, right now and I expect UT to sign at least one more 5-star (Wright,imo) and easily end up in the top 10 in both services. If we make a bowl and finish the way the ov, uov and how hot we seem right now, recruiting-wise, maybe top 7

 

[Chief Vol 13]

LWS said this on VQ, FWIW:

He's absolutely correct. This is largely the point I've been hammering home on here for awhile now. As a program we are not of the same caliber as an Alabama, LSU, UGA, UF, A&M or Auburn right now IMO. Can we get back to that pedestal? I think so, but we have to give this guy time to get it done. I'm talking a solid 4-6 year rebuild to really get this thing back on track. There's about one dude that I pay close attention to on these boards, and that's Larry. The guy almost always nails it. What he say before the start of the 17 season? Said Butch and his staff haven't recruited well and had not developed their players...folks wanted him hung by his balls. What about before this season started? Said this was probably a 4 win football team...again, nailed it. Listen to the guy.

 

[SweetasSoda]

"maybe 4" ?? I want Pruitt to have at least RS Srs of which he recruited before we even think of changing leadership. I mean of course if he gets his talent here and we miss bowl games in years 3 and then 4 there's no way he'll be here for a year 5, but I want him to get his players. We need stability.

Harbaugh looked like a bust at Michigan for a year or two there, but they were committed to him and now look at them.

And of course I know that Harbaugh came in with a different pedigree and resume, but its not like Pruitt's resume is piss poor. Look at the coaches who jumped ship to join the man for his first gig. That speaks a lot imo. Give him time.

Sad that this has to be said.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

We let Auburn go to the east and Mizzou to the west. Auburn keeps Bama as a rival. Georgia can pick up Texas A&M. South Carolina can get Mizzou and we can take Arkansas.

Given where we are I honestly think that is much more of a competitive balance. Long term we would like that trade off very much.

Imagine in your mind’s eye us coming off that big win over Auburn to come home to play Arkansas... or 2016, us coming off that exciting road game at A&M to play Arkansas...

Instead we come home from games like that to get eviscerated by our one time rival in a game that shakes everyone’s confidence to the core and reduces us all to celebrating first downs on offense and forcing punts on defense like we’ve won the super bowl...

I love to compete, but in this case, forget it. Call me a yellow belly all you want, but I want them off the schedule. It's suicide. When I say we're not remotely close to competing with that program, I'm talking 5-6 years of top notch recruiting and coaching worth of effort. Throw in the towel.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

He just says the same sh!t, like he he’s a voice of reason. It’s obnoxious.

Because he is. He shoots straight and it doesn't fit 80% of this fan base's narrative. Therefore they dislike him.

 

[McGeesPub]

Sad that this has to be said.

Why is that? If Pruitt isn’t showing anything in year 4, will you be confident that years 5-6 will be any different? I think we’ll know one way or the other by the end of year 4. For whatever it’s worth though, I’d confidently take the over on 4 years. Fulmer is a stubborn guy with coaches he hires, and won’t admit he was wrong until he absolutely has to.

 

[Smokey123]

He's absolutely correct. This is largely the point I've been hammering home on here for awhile now. As a program we are not of the same caliber as an Alabama, LSU, UGA, UF, A&M or Auburn right now IMO. Can we get back to that pedestal? I think so, but we have to give this guy time to get it done. I'm talking a solid 4-6 year rebuild to really get this thing back on track. There's about one dude that I pay close attention to on these boards, and that's Larry. The guy almost always nails it. What he say before the start of the 17 season? Said Butch and his staff haven't recruited well and had not developed their players...folks wanted him hung by his balls. What about before this season started? Said this was probably a 4 win football team...again, nailed it. Listen to the guy.

He also said Chryst would definitely be the guy during fall camp. thought Petersen would be hired and called Currie a master. Calm down

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Harbaugh looked like a bust because people were dumb. He lost like 17 starters going into year 3, there’s no reason ppl should have been calling him for compete for a title. He overachieved year one and year 2 did just fine. I’ll gladly take 9-3 (one fluke loss to top 5) and 10-2 year two from Pruitt

Yeah I never lost faith in Harbaugh. Always thought he'd get Michigan rolling. Anybody who gets to a super bowl with Colin Caeperqueer taking snaps is a football coach.

 

[Smokeytom]

Using Harbaugh rebuilding at UM as an argument for Pruitt is the worst example I’ve ever seen....

Maybe you're just retarded then. The connection I made was pretty obvious and was also by no means what I predicated my argument on. As a matter of fact I made no mention of Harbaugh at all in my original post. I simply think Pruitt should be given a good bit of leash and not run out of town in 4 years. For reasons I've already mentioned and that had little to do with Harbaugh at Michigan.

 

[Smokey123]

Sad that this has to be said.

Yes. We need to keep a coach for stability when we bring in top 15 classes but go 5-7 or 6-6 in year 3 and 4

 

[Smokeytom]

Yes. We need to keep a coach for stability when we bring in top 15 classes but go 5-7 or 6-6 in year 3 and 4

Can you not read?

 

[SweetasSoda]

Why is that? If Pruitt isn’t showing anything in year 4, will you be confident that years 5-6 will be any different? I think we’ll know one way or the other by the end of year 4. For whatever it’s worth though, I’d confidently take the over on 4 years. Fulmer is a stubborn guy with coaches he hires, and won’t admit he was wrong until he absolutely has to.

May just be better to evaluate after 4 years than to worry about "if this doesn't happen by so many years", etc. We are not in a good place right now. It's going to take a lot of work for us to get back to being contenders in our division because while we have been declining others have been getting better.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

He also said Chryst would definitely be the guy during fall camp. thought Petersen would be hired and called Currie a master. Calm down

Yeah that's partially wrong. He said Currie was a master from a standpoint of being sneaky/deceptive. After we hired him he also said he had a reputation of turning up his nose at our fans and folks inside the administration. That sound right to you now? He never said Petersen would be hired. He said he was in play, which was true.

 

[Smokey123]

Maybe you're just retarded then. The connection I made was pretty obvious and was also by no means what I predicated my argument on. As a matter of fact I made no mention of Harbaugh at all in my original post. I simply think Pruitt should be given a good bit of leash and not run out of town in 4 years. For reasons I've already mentioned and that had little to do with Harbaugh at Michigan.

Go re-read your section about Harbaugh, then re-read what I said and why it’s terrible to even mention his name.

 

[Smokey123]

Can you not read?

Nope what did you just say?

 

[SweetasSoda]

Yes. We need to keep a coach for stability when we bring in top 15 classes but go 5-7 or 6-6 in year 3 and 4

 

[Smokey123]

Yeah that's partially wrong. He said Currie was a master from a standpoint of being sneaky/deceptive. After we hired him he also said he had a reputation of turning up his nose at our fans and folks inside the administration. That sound right to you now? He never said Petersen would be hired. He said he was in play, which was true.

There was a thread and it was predict the next coach. He said Petersen and said multiple times there was legit interest between the two and the details needed to be worked out

But the first part is spot on lmao

 

[Smokeytom]

Go re-read your section about Harbaugh, then re-read what I said and why it’s terrible to even mention his name.

Nope what did you just say?

1. I did not predicate my argument on Harbaugh. You cherry picked that and made it the whole thing. No sh*t the rebuilds are different - and it will be much harder here that we should be much more patient with, so the point you are attempting to make actually works in my favor.
2. I agreed with your point that if say Pruitt recruits well and then we miss out on bowl games in year 3,4 then it is unlikely he is here for a year 5.

So, I ask again, can you not read?

 

[Smokey123]

"maybe 4" ?? I want Pruitt to have at least RS Srs of which he recruited before we even think of changing leadership. I mean of course if he gets his talent here and we miss bowl games in years 3 and then 4 there's no way he'll be here for a year 5, but I want him to get his players. We need stability.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

There was a thread and it was predict the next coach. He said Petersen and said multiple times there was legit interest between the two and the details needed to be worked out

But the first part is spot on lmao

First part of what is spot on? Petersen was his prediction, wasn't like he made a blood bank guarantee. He said Petersen had legit interest, which I believe to be true.

 

[Smokey123]

1. I did not predicate my argument on Harbaugh. You cherry picked that and made it the whole thing. No sh*t the rebuilds are different - and it will be much harder here that we should be much more patient with, so the point you are attempting to make actually works in my favor.
2. I agreed with your point that if say Pruitt recruits well and then we miss out on bowl games in year 3,4 then it is unlikely he is here for a year 5.

So, I ask again, can you not read?

I didn’t say you did. I didn’t make it the “whole thing” that’s just the only part I responded to, Because it was incorrect. The only part I ever responded to in your comment was mentioning Harbaugh and how he’s an example for keeping stability, dumb.

And no I can’t read, can you teach me?

 

[Smokey123]

First part of what is spot on? Petersen was his prediction, wasn't like he made a blood bank guarantee. He said Petersen had legit interest, which I believe to be true.

How that sounded like Currie. Yea, and his prediction was wrong just as his 4 win prediction was right

 

[Smokeytom]

Is it not obvious by now how poor of talent we have here?

At the beginning of the year I was in the camp that thought we had plenty of untapped talent - nope. The unfortunate reality is we are rebuilding once again.

We have CUSA talent. Pruitt needs at least 3 recruiting classes before we can honestly and rationally expect to be competing for the East - much less the SEC and NCs.

Even then he may fail. I have not ruled that out. I'm just tired of riding the coaching carousel to no avail. We finally have a staff that has lived and breathed SEC football their whole lives and I am willing to let them ride it out for 5 years. I understand if others are not.

 

[Smokey123]

this was the only part I was responding to......

Harbaugh looked like a bust at Michigan for a year or two there, but they were committed to him and now look at them

Harbaugh looked like a bust because people were dumb. He lost like 17 starters going into year 3, there’s no reason ppl should have been calling him for compete for a title. He overachieved year one and year 2 did just fine.

big difference between winning first two years and having a slight down year and winning again, than losing for 4 straight seasons. If you can’t see that, yikes