Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

[volsagain]

Well you can flip a roster in 3 years. But I don’t believe it’s so cut and dry like that. Plenty of great coaches don’t show you that right away. It’s the first timers that it takes a looooong time. Sans Kirby “Ralph Wiggums” Smart. Pruitt is a first time head coach. He could change his philosophy a lot between now and his breakthrough year. And unfortunately I think the next team that gets Pruitt as a HC will get his best.

You still have to have time to develop the kids, then the QB it's really hard to find the right QB it's just a tuff position to nail down what you need. Look at LSU there comparable to bama in most talented player's except QB.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Some people are too optimistic and imagine everything working out perfectly for a nice linear ruse to the top of the East. I said after WV we were looking at year 4 until we have the POTENTIAL to be what we hope to be.

This is generally how I see this going, and no one is going to like it

2018 5 wins
2019 6-7 wins
2020 7-9 wins
2021 depending on 1,900 things we cannot possibly foresee, regression, maintenance, or the next step

Of course everyone thinks their point of view is most realistic, and I guess this is mine

Butch had similar progression but in year 3, things began to deteriorate and collapsed in year 4. I suspect that we will know by year 4 whether the foundation of the program is strong or crumbling

I think you are almost spot on with the records. Although I do believe he gets 6 wins next year. The simple fact is both of our lines need a majir overhaul. Thats going to take 2 years minimum to see any real benefits. So the ones expecting miracles from the next signing class or 2 are just being foolish.

 

[LargePairOfVols]

2-3 years to rebuild the Lines, senior QB (possibly) by 2020. 2020 could make a run at the east.

If that senior QB has the initials JG I have my doubts.

 

[SlappyVol]

Some people are too optimistic and imagine everything working out perfectly for a nice linear ruse to the top of the East. I said after WV we were looking at year 4 until we have the POTENTIAL to be what we hope to be.

This is generally how I see this going, and no one is going to like it

2018 5 wins
2019 6-7 wins
2020 7-9 wins
2021 depending on 1,900 things we cannot possibly foresee, regression, maintenance, or the next step

Of course everyone thinks their point of view is most realistic, and I guess this is mine

Butch had similar progression but in year 3, things began to deteriorate and collapsed in year 4. I suspect that we will know by year 4 whether the foundation of the program is strong or crumbling

Nick, did you look at 2019 schedule and say 5 wins, or just say that number on general progression? I can't see how we only win 5 when considering the below

- We only losing 4 SRs that start
- Should add 25 recruits who about 10 will help intially
- Another year in system, S&C, Pruitt and staff developemnt
- And our significant easier schedule in 19.

GA State
BYU
UTC
UAB

Miss St - loses 4 O starters, 6 D starters (maybe 7 with simmons going pro)
USC - loses 6 O starters (3 OL and Deebo), 5 D starters (4 in Secondary)
@UK - 5 O Starters (assuming snell goes pro), 8 D starters
@MU - loses NFL QB - and 8 other starters
VU - loses 8 starters including QB

Not saying we win 9 but has to be more than 5.

 

[volsagain]

Some people are too optimistic and imagine everything working out perfectly for a nice linear ruse to the top of the East. I said after WV we were looking at year 4 until we have the POTENTIAL to be what we hope to be.

This is generally how I see this going, and no one is going to like it

2018 5 wins
2019 6-7 wins
2020 7-9 wins
2021 depending on 1,900 things we cannot possibly foresee, regression, maintenance, or the next step

Of course everyone thinks their point of view is most realistic, and I guess this is mine

Butch had similar progression but in year 3, things began to deteriorate and collapsed in year 4. I suspect that we will know by year 4 whether the foundation of the program is strong or crumbling

I believe the east is ALOT better today than 3 or 4 years ago, better coaches at all schools. We have been so unstable, it will take Pruitt at least 4 years to compete for the east unless we get a Tua type QB and that would be like winning the lottery.

 

[drvenner]

Missouri gonna have a field day against our D.

Our defense was solid. I am still very concerned about that game. If Locke plays well, we will have a difficult time, but he has been inconsistent this year.

 

[HankHill]

Pruitt: We beat a good football team that, I think, we're pretty evenly matched against.


No. That’s an excuse for not having your team ready to play and having an awful offensive gameplan.

 

[volsfan_17]

The thing I've not seen mentioned here in regards to the rebuild, is not just how many recruiting classes a coach should be allowed before certain expectations are to be met.

The thing that sticks out to me is how vested this coaching staff will be to see this process through. The last 3 head coaches have checked out at the first sign of difficulty or opportunity.

Dooley's last season the assumption was he was just waiting to get fired, while Butch had tried to leave and capitalize on his house of cards before it fell in on his head.

If this thing is built the correct way, the hope would be that the coaches would not only have the chops to make it work, but also stick around and build on it.

 

[HankHill]

Nick, did you look at 2019 schedule and say 5 wins, or just say that number on general progression? I can't see how we only win 5 when considering the below

- We only losing 4 SRs that start
- Should add 25 recruits who about 10 will help intially
- Another year in system, S&C, Pruitt and staff developemnt
- And our significant easier schedule in 19.

GA State
BYU
UTC
UAB

Miss St - loses 4 O starters, 6 D starters (maybe 7 with simmons going pro)
USC - loses 6 O starters (3 OL and Deebo), 5 D starters (4 in Secondary)
@UK - 5 O Starters (assuming snell goes pro), 8 D starters
@MU - loses NFL QB - and 8 other starters
VU - loses 8 starters including QB

Not saying we win 9 but has to be more than 5.

BYU is a getting really underrated by our fan base imo.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Our fanbase needs....

 

[Crazy Ivan]

He's absolutely correct. This is largely the point I've been hammering home on here for awhile now. As a program we are not of the same caliber as an Alabama, LSU, UGA, UF, A&M or Auburn right now IMO. Can we get back to that pedestal? I think so, but we have to give this guy time to get it done. I'm talking a solid 4-6 year rebuild to really get this thing back on track. There's about one dude that I pay close attention to on these boards, and that's Larry. The guy almost always nails it. What he say before the start of the 17 season? Said Butch and his staff haven't recruited well and had not developed their players...folks wanted him hung by his balls. [What about before this season started? Said this was probably a 4 win football team...again, nailed it. Listen to the guy.

Duh. Anyone who is not a complete homer was saying that.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Pruitt: We beat a good football team that, I think, we're pretty evenly matched against.


No. That’s an excuse for not having your team ready to play and having an awful offensive gameplan.

 

[VolGee4]

BYU is a getting really underrated by our fan base imo.

???? They are 4-5 this year. Not sure who they return, but it’s not nearly as competitive of a OOC P5 game that we have had to play.

 

[JacketVol]

BYU is a getting really underrated by our fan base imo.

Have you went and seen any games live this year?

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Nick, did you look at 2019 schedule and say 5 wins, or just say that number on general progression? I can't see how we only win 5 when considering the below

- We only losing 4 SRs that start
- Should add 25 recruits who about 10 will help intially
- Another year in system, S&C, Pruitt and staff developemnt
- And our significant easier schedule in 19.

GA State
BYU
UTC
UAB

Miss St - loses 4 O starters, 6 D starters (maybe 7 with simmons going pro)
USC - loses 6 O starters (3 OL and Deebo), 5 D starters (4 in Secondary)
@UK - 5 O Starters (assuming snell goes pro), 8 D starters
@MU - loses NFL QB - and 8 other starters
VU - loses 8 starters including QB

Not saying we win 9 but has to be more than 5.

You are seeing the wrong year.

This year is 5 wins

Next year is 6-7, IMO

 

[Nashvegas31]

Pruitt: We beat a good football team that, I think, we're pretty evenly matched against.


No. That’s an excuse for not having your team ready to play and having an awful offensive gameplan.

Shouldn't need some amazing gameplan to beat Charlotte. Looked to me like they wanted their guys to go man on man and win their matchups and they didn't. So they will have to go back to the stuff that worked vs Aub/SC again next wk. pretty clear this offense is different without Chandler and Jennings. Helton moves chandler all over and he makes people miss. Jennings is the chain mover.

Nobody comes out with some special gameplan for Charlotte. Get out of here with that mess.

 

[Orange Studs]

Pruitt: We beat a good football team that, I think, we're pretty evenly matched against.


No. That’s an excuse for not having your team ready to play and having an awful offensive gameplan.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

The weakness of the 2017 & 2018 classes is the most immediate hurdle that simply cannot be painted over. That is why, at best, this rebuild is going to plateau in a couple of years.

When those guys are fully developed, many will just still be nowhere near the athletes you need. Taking Grad transfers and JUCO players unless they are top shelf contributes to the ultimate delay.

Fans will be impatient, as the 2019 and 2020 classes will be talented but young, and the older guys can’t carry the program forward. 2021, we may make noise. I don’t like it anymore than you do

 

[Rishvol]

Hank can you get the jumbotron operators to show replays instead of random players and little kids after every play. Thanks.

 

[Skizer41]

Pruitt: We beat a good football team that, I think, we're pretty evenly matched against.


No. That’s an excuse for not having your team ready to play and having an awful offensive gameplan.

Not hating on you but I don't like this take. I really think it is a case of almost letting USCjr beat you two weeks in a row. That's just my opinion.

What bothers me are these stupid formation and procedural penalties we keep getting. Week after week. Multiple times. In the Georgia game it was punt formation. Yesterday it was Richmond not lining up correctly.

Part of me gets pissed at our staff. But another part of me questions how a RS Jr playing at a Power 5 school gets that wrong. Twice. In. The. Same. Game.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Hank can you get the jumbotron operators to show replays instead of random players and little kids after every play. Thanks.

Replays of what? An inside dive play resulting in 2nd and 11?

Just wait until our next 1st down and you’ll see it again.

 

[SSVol]

Replays of what? An inside dive play resulting in 2nd and 11?

Just wait until our next 1st down and you’ll see it again.

Replays of targeting calls, for instance. The Jumbotron is useless this year. They show the refs conferring rather than the play they are conferring about. Making me regret the stupid amount of money I spend on season tix.

 

[bignewt]

They have to change up this targeting call next year, right?

 

[RikidyBones]

They have to change up this targeting call next year, right?

Shirley

it's gotten obnoxious.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Shirley

it's gotten obnoxious.

Yes yes I remember I had the lasagne.


And don't call me Shirley.