Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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Position: National ranking/Position ranking/Stars - Name

WR1: 95/3/4* - Callaway (ranked as ATH)
WR2: -/65/3* - Palmer
WR3: -/13/4* - Jennings (ranked as QB)
LT: -/43/3* - Tatum
LG: JUCO #44/ 3* - Ja. Johnson
C: -/19/4* - Ry. Johnson
RG: -/62/3* - Niehaus
RT: 12/2/5* - Richmond
TE: JUCO #11 - DWA
QB: 37/3/4* - JG
RB: 80/6/4* - Chandler

DE: 32/3/5* - Phillips
DT: 66/8/4* - Tuttle
DE: JUCO #12/ 4* - A. Johnson
JACK: -/-/3* - D. Johnson
WLB: 168/10/4* - Kirkland
MLB: -/18/4* - Bituli
SAM: 243/12/4* - D. Taylor
CB1: 112/4/4* - A. Taylor (ranked as ATH)
CB2: 222/8/4* - Thompson (ranked as ATH)
SS: 92/4/4* - Warrior
FS: -/52/3* - Abernathy

Narrow it down to the OL. Tatum was the type of player out of high school that SEC teams recruit for depth. R. Johnson is a 4*, but he is the kind of 4* that SEC teams count on making an impact his redshirt Jr year or so. OL is the one position where JUCO players seem to have the least effective transition across all of college football, but we are in bad need of help so you take a Ja. Johnson and hope to buck the odds. Niehaus is a Cincinnati level player out of high school that actually seems to be overachieving a bit, and Richmond looks like he would have been a bust no matter where he went.

When it comes to OL, Pruitt is bringing a knife to a gunfight. Yet people insist on laying all our struggles off on coaching.
 
To be honest, I’m not sure how entirely fair to some on the line. Some of the guys fit that bill for sure.

But if you think about it - it’s a ****** situation for the players too. These guys were specifically recruited and developed to run a spread offense that prioritized a quick passing game, a mobile QB, and shifty runningbacks that need a small hole wedged for them for a split second.

Now we’re asking those same guys - recruited for that specific system - to be road grading hogs that mow through their assignment, hold that block for multiple seconds, then get to the next level of the defense if possible.

Two completely football strategies - both can be successful if implemented and executed correctly.

The thing is, Alabama doesn’t even run the kind of running game we’re trying to implement anymore. We’re literally asking players suited for a West Virginia, Cincinnatti, Oregon type offense to play like Wisconsin. Of course it doesn’t work.
I think this is a very good post.
 
Nobody was saying this was a 4 win team before the season but him. Nobody.

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To be honest, I’m not sure how entirely fair to some on the line. Some of the guys fit that bill for sure.

But if you think about it - it’s a ****** situation for the players too. These guys were specifically recruited and developed to run a spread offense that prioritized a quick passing game, a mobile QB, and shifty runningbacks that need a small hole wedged for them for a split second.

Now we’re asking those same guys - recruited for that specific system - to be road grading hogs that mow through their assignment, hold that block for multiple seconds, then get to the next level of the defense if possible.

Two completely football strategies - both can be successful if implemented and executed correctly.

The thing is, Alabama doesn’t even run the kind of running game we’re trying to implement anymore. We’re literally asking players suited for a West Virginia, Cincinnatti, Oregon type offense to play like Wisconsin. Of course it doesn’t work.
Been a while but I agree with Kingston here. The only problem is the oline is opening the split second holes that the speedy back should run through. I'm annoyed with the way Banks ran yesterday. There were a couple of plays where is he had juked the safety or ran outside he would've walked into the endzone.
 
To be honest, I’m not sure how entirely fair to some on the line. Some of the guys fit that bill for sure.

But if you think about it - it’s a ****** situation for the players too. These guys were specifically recruited and developed to run a spread offense that prioritized a quick passing game, a mobile QB, and shifty runningbacks that need a small hole wedged for them for a split second.

Now we’re asking those same guys - recruited for that specific system - to be road grading hogs that mow through their assignment, hold that block for multiple seconds, then get to the next level of the defense if possible.

Two completely football strategies - both can be successful if implemented and executed correctly.

The thing is, Alabama doesn’t even run the kind of running game we’re trying to implement anymore. We’re literally asking players suited for a West Virginia, Cincinnatti, Oregon type offense to play like Wisconsin. Of course it doesn’t work.

These guys didn’t exactly tear it up in a spread system either.
 
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Five years minimum. 6-7 if we ever want to be somewhat relevant again

I really feel this is our last chance to stabilize the ship or else we’re doomed for another 20 years. Just let the man recruit and coach without the hot seat talk after year 3 doesn’t meet unrealistic expectations.

It is not going to take that long. I don’t care what the team looked like yesterday.

I don’t really think so either. I think Pruitt has got some sort of it factor, and the fact that he’s cutting his teeth as a HC along this journey will make him all the better when he’s on top.

My favorite part about him so far, and a large part why I think he is going to be great here, is how he seems to have taken the Maxims to heart. You hear him echo them all the time in pre and post game interviews. And the way he’s stressed the kicking game has been a thing of beauty. We should have like 4 recovered onside kicks right now. A number of them have caught me totally off guard. Dude is a gamer.
 
I asked yesterday if people thought we had improved throughout the year. I'm not seeing it. There are small stretches where you can see it but very little. I think JG is better than last year but I see no improvement since the first game. Some of it is the o-line no doubt. As to the o-line, they're worse today than game one or two. Some of that has to do with losing Kennedy and Smith but Smith was struggling and I think we know the reason behind that. At some point you have to question whether the coaches are getting 100% out of what they have to work with.

I think some of the woes come from play calling and scheme. This staff doesn't put the team in position to be successful. Every team has a weakness. I do not believe that Helton has the ability to identify and exploit weaknesses in a defense. One thing you do when you your offense can't block is go to a three step drop and quick passing game. We seldom if ever do this. When we do go quick we throw the ball parallel to the line of scrimmage. We also telegraph our plays due to personnel and formations. In addition, any time JG audibles, it's always a running play. We don't scheme to help this offense at all. I think it boils down to this staff has never had to work with a talent level of this team especially on the line of scrimmage. I don't think this staff is capable of "doing more with less." I don't think Pruitt is happy with Helton and I think we have a new OC next year. Don't think he fires him, just think Helton will move on. I don't think he was ready to be an OC at Tennessee.

On defense, again I don't see huge improvement. I think the freshmen in the secondary have improved. I still think our line is way to porous and gets blown off the ball too easily. SC physically dominated us in the second half last week. I'm sure some of it is roster but we play two experienced 5* players on the line. Some may be adjusting to a new scheme but we're several games into the season and I'm not seeing much improvement. Charlotte was able to run against us almost at will. KY will score on us, frequently and I doubt this offense will have the ability to match them.

Given all that, I think we lose the next two. KY is a terrible matchup in that they can and will pound you. I think they run it down your throat and we've not been able to stop that this year. Mizzou is also a bad matchup as the spread you out and make you win one on ones. With our inexperience in the secondary and our inability to pressure the QB tells me it will be a long day in Neyland in two weeks.

That brings us to Vandy. I had thought we had a 50/50 shot at Vandy to end the season. After yesterday's lack luster performance I'm worried they've mentally checked out, at least many of the players. I think by the time we get to Vandy they'll be little to play for but maybe pride and I think for the most part, this team has very little pride. I think we drop the last one to finish 4-8.

Another thing I noticed yesterday, I sensed many of the players are just going through the motions at this point. The brutal October stretch I think has taken it's toll. May be difficult for the coaches to get them back.

The important season is really recruiting. This team needs an infusion of talent and a mental overhaul. The culture of losing and being ok with it has to be purged. That happens with new players that have a winning mentality. It also happens by removing players whether they are physically talented or not. One bad apple spoils the barrel. We have several bad apples and some are under classmen. They need to be gone and I think they will be. I think this year was an audition for coach Pruitt. He knows which players are cancers in the locker room and I fully expect him to encourage their departure.

Recruiting is the most important thing to watch. Pruitt knows his success will hinge on his ability to sign not good but great players. I really believe he couldn't care less whether we get a bowl. He knows the extra practices are probably not worth the time away from recruiting especially considering many that could benefit from the extra practices won't be here next year anyway.

Sorry for the dim outlook but we know who we are at this point.
 
Took this from a post on VQ

Position: National ranking/Position ranking/Stars - Name

WR1: 95/3/4* - Callaway (ranked as ATH)
WR2: -/65/3* - Palmer
WR3: -/13/4* - Jennings (ranked as QB)
LT: -/43/3* - Tatum
LG: JUCO #44/ 3* - Ja. Johnson
C: -/19/4* - Ry. Johnson
RG: -/62/3* - Niehaus
RT: 12/2/5* - Richmond
TE: JUCO #11 - DWA
QB: 37/3/4* - JG
RB: 80/6/4* - Chandler

DE: 32/3/5* - Phillips
DT: 66/8/4* - Tuttle
DE: JUCO #12/ 4* - A. Johnson
JACK: -/-/3* - D. Johnson
WLB: 168/10/4* - Kirkland
MLB: -/18/4* - Bituli
SAM: 243/12/4* - D. Taylor
CB1: 112/4/4* - A. Taylor (ranked as ATH)
CB2: 222/8/4* - Thompson (ranked as ATH)
SS: 92/4/4* - Warrior
FS: -/52/3* - Abernathy


Must win 2 of 3 or this season goes down as a failure for Pruitt. It won't mean his tenure will fail or succeed but make no mistake this first year must be judged in making a bowl or not
 
Lol at criticizing Gurantano or any offensive coaching this year. The OL played like that for years before Pruitt even got there, and it’s obvious that Jones didn’t know what he was doing at that position to the point that we are barely even D 1 level there. The HC, the OC, the QB, none of them can do much of anything without better OL play than what we are getting.

Not to mention we have the lightest OL in FBS. 3 OLs starting who weigh under 300 lbs (Locklear, R. Johnson, and J Johnson), and RJ and JJ are both under 290. Add to that the lack of development in their time under the previous staff for Locklear and RJ, not to mention lack of a S&C program. We need big bodies.
 
It will be interesting to see how the team performs to finish the season. Will they roll over and go through the motions, or will they come together and fight until the end? Pruitt is balancing on a thin line right now in my opinion--- he's called out players almost every game this year, and they may be sick of it, or know they are leaving, so they play/act flat and uninspired.
Pruitt should probably back off the verbiage if he wants to keep the team together (he's made his point loud and clear) and united until the end of the season... he can then make the changes he needs and everyone knows is coming.
We always hear how players love Pruitt but there will be some give up. We don't have the beef to match up with the big boys and some will quit some will want to be around for the long haul to prove they can. Just hope we can scheme to win couple of the last 3 .
 
It is not going to take that long. I don’t care what the team looked like yesterday.

This is true. We'll either start to see real progress next year and be competing for the East in year 3 (not slam-dunk winning but legit competing) or we'll stagnate in the middle behind UGA and UF, battling it out with SCAR, UK and Mizzou for 3rd or 4th in the East.
 
I asked yesterday if people thought we had improved throughout the year. I'm not seeing it. There are small stretches where you can see it but very little. I think JG is better than last year but I see no improvement since the first game. Some of it is the o-line no doubt. As to the o-line, they're worse today than game one or two. Some of that has to do with losing Kennedy and Smith but Smith was struggling and I think we know the reason behind that. At some point you have to question whether the coaches are getting 100% out of what they have to work with.

I think some of the woes come from play calling and scheme. This staff doesn't put the team in position to be successful. Every team has a weakness. I do not believe that Helton has the ability to identify and exploit weaknesses in a defense. One thing you do when you your offense can't block is go to a three step drop and quick passing game. We seldom if ever do this. When we do go quick we throw the ball parallel to the line of scrimmage. We also telegraph our plays due to personnel and formations. In addition, any time JG audibles, it's always a running play. We don't scheme to help this offense at all. I think it boils down to this staff has never had to work with a talent level of this team especially on the line of scrimmage. I don't think this staff is capable of "doing more with less." I don't think Pruitt is happy with Helton and I think we have a new OC next year. Don't think he fires him, just think Helton will move on. I don't think he was ready to be an OC at Tennessee.

On defense, again I don't see huge improvement. I think the freshmen in the secondary have improved. I still think our line is way to porous and gets blown off the ball too easily. SC physically dominated us in the second half last week. I'm sure some of it is roster but we play two experienced 5* players on the line. Some may be adjusting to a new scheme but we're several games into the season and I'm not seeing much improvement. Charlotte was able to run against us almost at will. KY will score on us, frequently and I doubt this offense will have the ability to match them.

Given all that, I think we lose the next two. KY is a terrible matchup in that they can and will pound you. I think they run it down your throat and we've not been able to stop that this year. Mizzou is also a bad matchup as the spread you out and make you win one on ones. With our inexperience in the secondary and our inability to pressure the QB tells me it will be a long day in Neyland in two weeks.

That brings us to Vandy. I had thought we had a 50/50 shot at Vandy to end the season. After yesterday's lack luster performance I'm worried they've mentally checked out, at least many of the players. I think by the time we get to Vandy they'll be little to play for but maybe pride and I think for the most part, this team has very little pride. I think we drop the last one to finish 4-8.

Another thing I noticed yesterday, I sensed many of the players are just going through the motions at this point. The brutal October stretch I think has taken it's toll. May be difficult for the coaches to get them back.

The important season is really recruiting. This team needs an infusion of talent and a mental overhaul. The culture of losing and being ok with it has to be purged. That happens with new players that have a winning mentality. It also happens by removing players whether they are physically talented or not. One bad apple spoils the barrel. We have several bad apples and some are under classmen. They need to be gone and I think they will be. I think this year was an audition for coach Pruitt. He knows which players are cancers in the locker room and I fully expect him to encourage their departure.

Recruiting is the most important thing to watch. Pruitt knows his success will hinge on his ability to sign not good but great players. I really believe he couldn't care less whether we get a bowl. He knows the extra practices are probably not worth the time away from recruiting especially considering many that could benefit from the extra practices won't be here next year anyway.

Sorry for the dim outlook but we know who we are at this point.
Wow invol good post . But want to be optimistic and hope we have enough to finish years on a positive note. Ie before the purge begins. He is definitely learning as a head coach.
 
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This is true. We'll either start to see real progress next year and be competing for the East in year 3 (not slam-dunk winning but legit competing) or we'll stagnate in the middle behind UGA and UF, battling it out with SCAR, UK and Mizzou for 3rd or 4th in the East.
I look at the east like this (This year):

Tier 1:
GA

Tier 2:
FL
SC
Mizzou
KY

Tier 3:
TN
Vandy

We have to get into tier 2 before we can challenge tier 1. Don't think that happens next year. I think KY falls back into tier 3 next year. Not sure about Mizzou. I think Muschamp will keep SC in tier 2 for a while. We'll see whether Mullen can recruit well enough to get FL back into tier 1. I doubt we sniff an SECE championship for 4-5 years. JMO
 
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I look at the east like this (This year):

Tier 1:
GA

Tier 2:
FL
SC
Mizzou
KY

Tier 3:
TN
Vandy

We have to get into tier 2 before we can challenge tier 1. Don't think that happens next year. I think KY falls ask into tier 3 next year. Not sure about Mizzou. I think Muschamp will keep SC in tier 2 for a while. We'll see whether Mullen can recruit well enough to get FL back into tier 1. I doubt we sniff an SECE championship for 4-5 years. JMO

Yep, we're bottom-tier right now and UGA is alone atop the East. Next year should get us back to the middle and where we land in the gridlock will tell how quickly we're progressing. Three recruiting classes should effectively churn the roster, so we should make a significant move in Year 3. We'll be playing mostly Pruitt guys next year and they'll be seasoned players/leaders in Year 3.
 
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