Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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OrangenSC said:
I agree. But patience is something we lack as a fan base. I know, some will jump in and say, "how can you say we lack patience when we're still here after all we've been thru?". That's not patience. We whined and complained every step of the way. Think about it, half way thru his first season we were already scrutinizing every word CJP says and criticizing what we don't agree with. Half way thru his first season some are already doubting that he's the right guy. Luckily it's been relatively few fans doing so, but we do have them. And the numbers will increase with every game that doesn't meet someone's expectations. I love the Vols, but I would never want to be the coach here. I understand perfectly well why Peyton wants no part of it. As someone here said a few days again, we are the best fans in cfb and the worst.

The only thing I'm sure of is that before CJP is done here he will be the most hated hc we've ever had; and it will largely be because of his Bama ties. Some are already chomping at the bits for opportunities to attack.
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I gave you a like and agree with pretty much everything you said except bolded statement.
 
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HankHill said:
So the players all of a sudden weren’t good enough to produce against Charlotte after producing against auburn and SC on the road.... no chance the coaches has a lazy and piss poor game plan on offense?
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2 steps forward, one step back. They either thought they could just run it on them with no creativity (which they should in most years), or Helton took a step back. Reminded me of the OOC games when people criticized Butch for going vanilla.

Let’s put the toss sweep away for a while.
 
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engineerVOL said:
Your last sentence makes a lot of sense. That grind man. We aren’t built for that. Yet.
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No we are not and not many teams are. Thats a brutal schedule. And then I can see the team thinking ahhhhh yeah D II team we got this but we don't have the talent yet to just go through the motion.
 
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HankHill said:
The QB getting hit doesn’t always fall on the OL....so again i ask... why ask your OL to continue to do something they aren’t great at. You did fine moving the ball relying on short and quick passing game so why go away from it? That’s on the coaches.
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Maybe the coaches wanted them to improve on something they aren't great at against the weakest opponent remaining. Or maybe the players did not put forth any effort. Or maybe they really are just not good enough. Maybe the fans don't really know much about what is going on and are just guessing from what we see. Maybe the fans just like to argue about it.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Maybe the coaches wanted them to improve on something they aren't great at against the weakest opponent remaining. Or maybe the players did not put forth any effort. Or maybe they really are just not good enough. Maybe the fans don't really know much about what is going on and are just guessing from what we see. Maybe the fans just like to argue about it.
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Soda I'm gonna have to argue with you about this statement
 
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volinbama256 said:
So what is the outlook on KC? If he didn't play yesterday, he probably won't see the field again this season. Can only imagine what this kid is thinking... could have actually played somewhere else this year... this has basically been a waste for him. You can either be in the KC or JG camp, that is fine, but I think KC was sold a bill of goods.
And don't say JG has played at that much of a higher level to keep KC off the field. I know we have two more years of JG and they are giving him experience, but they haven't even given KC a chance during a game to prove he can play... wait, NM, he came in against AL and put points on the board and moved the offense down the field...
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When the unending refrain before Fall camp was that “Chryst didn’t transfer to the other side of the country to SIT”? I and others stated that Pruitt and Helton promised him a CHANCE to compete for the starting spot...and nothing else. That’s played out the way it looks. I was more keen about landing Gardner Minshew, who ended up at Washington State but ruled us out. Obviously that was a byproduct of Pruitt not SELLING a starting spot that needed to be won.
 
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Rishvol said:
Yes. Tennessee had near complete control of that game
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Now it's "NEAR complete control." 🙄
Not what you said in the beginning; but, I'll let you slide, because I expect nothing less...you seem like the type of person who backtracks and flip flops, and talks out his/her ass, to cover up the bs you say before. Not to worry, you are not alone...you're not the only windbag who does this.

Auburn marched up and down the field on their first two possessions and scored points, and there was nothing we could do to stop it...14 plays, 75 yds on opening drive...10 plays, 73 yds on their second drive; not to mention, they led at halftime...we never led once in the first half. But, yeah, whistle to whistle.
 
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SugarCC said:
Now it's "NEAR complete control." 🙄
Not what you said in the beginning; but, I'll let you slide, because I expect nothing less...you seem like the type of person who backtracks and flip flops, and talks out his/her ass, to cover up the bs you say before. Not to worry, you are not alone...you're not the only windbag who does this.

Auburn marched up and down the field on their first two possessions and scored points, and there was nothing we could do to stop it...14 plays, 75 yds on opening drive...10 plays, 73 yds on their second drive; not to mention, they led at halftime...we never led once in the first half. But, yeah, whistle to whistle.
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Since you're blind and running on emotion I'll quote this for you
Rishvol said:
Point is that game wasn't a last second victory. These players you are enjoying bashing right now had complete control of that game near first whistle to last whistle.
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I never changed my stance. You just had selective reading.
 
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NMVol said:
Will be interesting to see if Pruitt can recruit on his reputation and coaching skills. Jones had the advantage for a while of a surge of talented legacies.
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I think the legacy advantage narrative is overstated. Kelly, Wharton, Bates, McKenzie and Creamer. Only 5 star was Khalil and Kelly has been the most productive...without being great. Hurd and Barnett were the real jewels of Butch’s classes.
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
That's all?!
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Vegas doesn’t overreact from week to week like all of the football experts around here do. They know this team isn’t as bad as they showed against Charlotte, but probably not as good as they showed against Auburn.

Kentucky is nothing special, about the same as us, Carolina, Mizzou, and Vandy. All those teams can beat the other on any given day. Just a handful of breaks going your way will decide the game. If we play our best game, we have a good chance of winning any of these last three. Just as easily, we could lose all three. Simple as that.
 
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Rishvol said:
Since you're blind and running on emotion I'll quote this for you
I never changed my stance. You just had selective reading.
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No matter how you worded it, or how wrong I read it...you're still wrong, sweetheart.

We took the lead with 3:25 left in the 3rd quarter. Far from "complete control of that game from near first whistle to last whistle."
 
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volatil said:
I really don’t know what you are talking about.

Kamara is going off in this game though. And the Saints tried to keep Ingram happy... he fumbled.

Kamara is so dynamic
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Only for today I wish he wasn't.... I'm playing the Rams D for my fantasy football team
 
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butchna said:
I think the legacy advantage narrative is overstated. Kelly, Wharton, Bates, McKenzie and Creamer. Only 5 star was Khalil and Kelly has been the most productive...without being great. Hurd and Barnett were the real jewels of Butch’s classes.
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You're right. It didn't play out as an advantage necessarily, but it certainly was part of the buzz and pitch. I seem to remember that Vic Wharton was picturing something enthusiastically.
 
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volatil said:
I really don’t know what you are talking about.

Kamara is going off in this game though. And the Saints tried to keep Ingram happy... he fumbled.

Kamara is so dynamic
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I apologize. Thought you were responding to my post about non-legacy jewels of Butch’s recruiting classes...won’t happen again.
 
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thunderduck17 said:
Vegas doesn’t overreact from week to week like all of the football experts around here do. They know this team isn’t as bad as they showed against Charlotte, but probably not as good as they showed against Auburn.

Kentucky is nothing special, about the same as us, Carolina, Mizzou, and Vandy. All those teams can beat the other on any given day. Just a handful of breaks going your way will decide the game. If we play our best game, we have a good chance of winning any of these last three. Just as easily, we could lose all three. Simple as that.
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I was solely basing that statement on their D vs our O. I have hardly watched U.K. This year, but I know their D is stout, and our O is struggling.
 
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