Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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drvenner said:
Making an 8th grader change her shirt in your office when you are still there is not "just creepy." If my daughter came home and told me that happened, I would have to be physically restrained from going to be the crap out of whomever it was. That is criminal behavior and abuse of power. Again, I don't know that this happened. I am not saying it did. If it did, or if Tennessee believes that it did, there is no way he can coach here.
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I don't know of a crime that can be committed with those facts. If you want to call it a type of sexual harassment at school, maybe.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
Reading comprehension is really starting to suck around here. I'll ask you since apparently the last 2 flakes wouldn't answer the question. Where in the article does it say that he watched her change or was in the room when she changed?

For the record, I have a teenage daughter so don't come at me with that whole hair on fire outrage.
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It does say she accused him of giving her "no privacy." If that means he stood out in the hall while she changed, then I would agree that it was ok. If he stayed in the room, it is not ok, regardless of how many shirts she had on. It is also irrelevant if he turns his back while she changes.
 
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jakez4ut said:
kendal is named in a couple law suits round title Ix issues. just linked an article from the Houston Chronicle in a response to newt.

he doesn't have the "guilty" moniker like Freeze does with the escorts.

but they both have baggage around title ix issues and having issues with being involved in "unclean" programs.
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So, UH has its own cabin in the woods, so to speak? And AU assistants are fair game?

Just playing the devil's advocate. Not taking sides.
 
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Any thoughts on Sarkisian? He was at Bama Pruitts first yr back there. I could see him coming back to the college game soon.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Maybe he turned around? Or closed his eyes?
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Still wrong. Cannot be in the room. I don't see why people think it's ok if he turns his back or closes his eyes. If he went into the hallway, and couldn't see in, then that's ok. He is asserting power over her by remaining in the room. I can think of no good reason to stay in the room while she changes if he had any choice. He had a choice.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Sonic is overrated
2* at best
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JohnnyD1024 said:
When Freeze was at Ole Miss everyone on here would talk about how sleazy and a cheat He was. And if we weren't looking for an OC we would be bad mouthing him and who ever hired him. But since we do have a chance to hire him then all of a sudden he's not that bad and stuff he did is no big deal. Also to the people acting like the Briarcrest is nothing, you need to ask yourself how you would feel if that girl would had been your daughter that he made take her shirt off in front him.
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What if it never happened? And yes we would complain and did complain but we are tired of Vandy completely undressing us on the football field.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I don't know of a crime that can be committed with those facts. If you want to call it a type of sexual harassment at school, maybe.
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I think you're a lawyer, so I will defer to your judgment. Criminal was probably over the top. I would absolutely stunned if the school did not have some sort of rules against what he did. There is no good reason he stayed in the room. There are plenty of possible reasons he stayed. None of them are good.
 
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jakez4ut said:
read my last post. i'm not saying anything.

perception is. perception is the issue. i don't know what really happened with briles or freeze. but if the perception is as much of a consideration as many believe it to be, and that's why you cannot hire freeze....then it'll be the same reason you cannot hire briles.
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I see your point but public perception these days is bull, you can't say or do anything without causing an outrage from one group or another. That's why I say do your homework on the candidate well and if he checks out to you and your superiors then roll with it, we live in a society where people will say or do anything to ruin someone's reputation for little cause or to gain something for themselves
 
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BeecherVol said:
I don't know. The Briarcrest stuff has been out for public consumption since July of 17'. Unless they dug into that a little more and found out some extra stuff I doubt that goes overlooked until now. It sounds like Pruitt has known he would be filling Helton's spot for a few weeks and zeroed in on Freeze pretty early.
Strictly JMO.
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You think it's going to be Freeze? Or is Haslam (my guess) going to put a stop to it?
 
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drvenner said:
It does not matter if she had clothes on underneath it. Staying in the same room while she changes clothes is flat out wrong and abuse of his power.
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I agree that it shows exceedingly poor judgment, at best. But it was also 20 years ago — and we aren’t hiring him to coach 8th grade girls. I mean, I can move on unless there is a pattern of really bad behavior with students.
 
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drvenner said:
It does say she accused him of giving her "no privacy." If that means he stood out in the hall while she changed, then I would agree that it was ok. If he stayed in the room, it is not ok, regardless of how many shirts she had on. It is also irrelevant if he turns his back while she changes.
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Here's my made up scenario since everyone else has one. I think he left the room and because she didn't get her way to change in the restroom, she had to change in the office and that pissed her off and that is the no "privacy" issue. It was an office and not the restroom. I see a whole lot of I's and me's in her statement.

Either way, it could be a big deal or it couldn't. We'll find out soon enough.
 
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bignewt said:
Meh not even as close to as bad as Freeze. Most of it is guilty by association.
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either way, and i probably misspoke by saying "more baggage" in my original post.

just that perception being what it is, there's little to sepearate the basic issues surrounding either guy. and i don't see how moving on from freeze, to briles, is "better" from a perception standpoint.

which is all i'm getting at. i'm not trying to argue validity or anything. but what people say about it apparently is important, so i don't see how you move on to briles with at least similar title ix issues and draw a line and say "we're good here, but not over there"...lol.
 
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drvenner said:
I think you're a lawyer, so I will defer to your judgment. Criminal was probably over the top. I would absolutely stunned if the school did not have some sort of rules against what he did. There is no good reason he stayed in the room. There are plenty of possible reasons he stayed. None of them are good.
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Actually in the same city that it allegedly happened. As to the rules, I don't know. As I stated before, context is 1999. I have been practicing for 13 years, and I graduated from high school in 1998. There were things that happened at my high school that were just funny back then that would probably get a complaint these days. Not that it's right, but times change, and people's thoughts evolve.
 
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drylo said:
I agree that it shows exceedingly poor judgment, at best. But it was also 20 years ago — and we aren’t hiring him to coach 8th grade girls. I mean, I can move on unless there is a pattern of really bad behavior with students.
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I am not sure that I can. I am not saying you are wrong if you do.
 
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BucVol98 said:
I see your point but public perception these days is bull, you can't say or do anything without causing an outrage from one group or another. That's why I say do your homework on the candidate well and if he checks out to you and your superiors then roll with it, we live in a society where people will say or do anything to ruin someone's reputation for little cause or to gain something for themselves
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none of htat matters if it's the reason you don't hire someone.
you can think what ever you want about it, but if it's the reason we don't hire freeze............what else really needs to be said?

it surely doesn't mean your next phone call is a guy with briles as a last name...........lol.

the same thing happens down that path...that's all i;m getting at here.
 
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