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This is the way I want to feel too. It may be the best team UT has ever had...with zilch to show for it.
I realize you are judged by championships but whatever happens doesn't take away from the regular season. Will I be disappointed if they don't make a final 4? Sure. But I will bet you the players will be more disappointed. As with football it takes things falling the right way, bounces your way, and some luck to win a national championship. Hopefully these guys get a few bounces and are rewarded for a fantastic season.
 
exactly. Blowing 1 game out of proportion. Like how we'd never hang with uk after the forst loss. Anyone that had played a loy of basketball knows how weird the game can be. Some games every bounce goes your way, the next it feels like you can do nothing right. Shiz happens. We good.
I will never forget "The Boston Massacre"..I thought for sure Boston was going to sweep LA after that game..nope. How many of you guys remember Chaminade beating UVA with the Twin Towers? Basketball is just a weird sport that is made for spectacular upsets.
 
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I realize you are judged by championships but whatever happens doesn't take away from the regular season. Will I be disappointed if they don't make a final 4? Sure. But I will bet you the players will be more disappointed. As with football it takes things falling the right way, bounces your way, and some luck to win a national championship. Hopefully these guys get a few bounces and are rewarded for a fantastic season.
These guys work hard, they are not quitters, or half-assed in going about their business. It is a freaking shame. They played one of their best games of the year, then they played their absolute worst in two years in a span of hours. I feel worse for them, than I do us for a change...all that work and nothing to show for it yet.
 
Men's and women's BB have some of the same issues-- inconsistent effort, a sporadic lack of intensity and the occasional no-show from key players. Some days, both teams feel like they can come out, give half-effort and still win-- and a less-talented opponent proves them wrong. The men's team has been fortunate to salvage some near-losses when that happens; the women's team generally has not.

That's what the players and coaches say. Barnes, GW and AD have been candid about it. If it continues to happen, they'll continue to have tough losses. But it doesn't have to happen and they know how to fix it. Learn from yesterday and flush it.
 
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Man I love beating Kentucky in basketball.

Well we waited till basketball season . Whatcha' got to say now jackwagon?
Follow up Jackwagon UK fan delighted in Auburn's recent victories and stated UT basketball is crap since they never do anything after beating the big dog (UK is apparently a big dog).

Please let UK get knocked out early.
 
These guys work hard, they are not quitters, or half-assed in going about their business. It is a freaking shame. They played one of their best games of the year, then they played their absolute worst in two years in a span of hours. I feel worse for them, than I do us for a change...all that work and nothing to show for it yet.
That's true if you judge the season based on a conference championship. I don't, there has been so many accomplishments this year, so many great times. I agree, the championships, SEC, National was their goal but it won't be a failure if they don't achieve either, at least in my mind.
 
Men's and women's BB have some of the same issues-- inconsistent effort, a sporadic lack of intensity and the occasional no-show from key players. Some days, both teams feel like they can come out, give half-effort and still win-- and a less-talented opponent proves them wrong. The men's team has been fortunate to salvage some near-losses when that happens; the women's team generally has not.

That's what the players and coaches say. Barnes, GW and AD have been candid about it. If it continues to happen, they'll continue to have tough losses. But it doesn't have to happen and they know how to fix it. Learn from yesterday and flush it.

Up until now, there has always been another game, regardless of the outcome of the current one. Hopefully the sense of finality of lose and go home will result in a sense of urgency and all the players give 100% effort 100% of the time.
 
Men's and women's BB have some of the same issues-- inconsistent effort, a sporadic lack of intensity and the occasional no-show from key players. Some days, both teams feel like they can come out, give half-effort and still win-- and a less-talented opponent proves them wrong. The men's team has been fortunate to salvage some near-losses when that happens; the women's team generally has not.

That's what the players and coaches say. Barnes, GW and AD have been candid about it. If it continues to happen, they'll continue to have tough losses. But it doesn't have to happen and they know how to fix it. Learn from yesterday and flush it.

I see the argument, but in all fairness to Auburn, they would have beat just about anyone yesterday. I'm not sure the argument applies to yesterday's game.

I'm still recovering from watching a college basketball team shoot 40 three pointers.
 
Men's and women's BB have some of the same issues-- inconsistent effort, a sporadic lack of intensity and the occasional no-show from key players. Some days, both teams feel like they can come out, give half-effort and still win-- and a less-talented opponent proves them wrong. The men's team has been fortunate to salvage some near-losses when that happens; the women's team generally has not.

That's what the players and coaches say. Barnes, GW and AD have been candid about it. If it continues to happen, they'll continue to have tough losses. But it doesn't have to happen and they know how to fix it. Learn from yesterday and flush it.
I think a lot of that is basketball in general. Sometimes the shots fall, sometimes they don’t.

It’s why the NBA plays a best of 7 and why the NCAA tournament is largely unfair. You can have the best season in program history and that season can be over in 40 minutes if something goes wrong.
 
Men's and women's BB have some of the same issues-- inconsistent effort, a sporadic lack of intensity and the occasional no-show from key players. Some days, both teams feel like they can come out, give half-effort and still win-- and a less-talented opponent proves them wrong. The men's team has been fortunate to salvage some near-losses when that happens; the women's team generally has not.

That's what the players and coaches say. Barnes, GW and AD have been candid about it. If it continues to happen, they'll continue to have tough losses. But it doesn't have to happen and they know how to fix it. Learn from yesterday and flush it.
i get what you're saying here. it sounds harsh in regards to the men seeing as how they lost only 5 games, and none of them were "bad" losses. we lost to quality teams that are capable of basically playing with most anyone.

but your point is correct. we all saw the lull's during games that allowed big leads to get cut down, or the ability to not take advantage of an opponents own lull to put them away....

i'm not sure how much of it is lack of effort though. i do think sometimes that having 6-7 guys that can give you offense almost hurts us sometimes. i watch some games and i wonder what hte plan really is? is it to feature Grant or Kyle cause of an advantage inside? is it to feature bowden, bone and turner because we heave an advantage at guard? sometimes feels like everyone is wating on someone else to be "that guy" tonight, instead of just playing in the flow of the game.

and then other times, it looks like there's purpose in everything we do....and not accidentally, those have been the games we've generally played our best.

on effort, i will say this...there have been times where we get beat in transition and allow easy buckets. there have been times where we stand around too much and watch on offense, and there have been times where defensively we allow free runners....mental effort.

ok, so now that's all done...these things to me are nit picking things that culumatively can affect a game, and they have....fortunately, they didn't always cost us a game, and they've been few and far between.....

on the whole, i've said all year that this has been the most fun team i've ever watched for TN, and is one of the easiest teams you're ever gonna find to like. for whatever misgivings i have listed above, this team does two things exceptionally well....1. they have leaders that lead and 2. they make plays....

i hate this team didn't get a regular season or tournament championship, but this is still the best TN basketball team i've seen in my lifetime.....

hope they make run now.
 
Up until now, there has always been another game, regardless of the outcome of the current one. Hopefully the sense of finality of lose and go home will result in a sense of urgency and all the players give 100% effort 100% of the time.

They start with a clean slate and control their own destiny. They have a good path. But not playing their best when the stakes are highest has been a costly pattern. I think depth will be the biggest challenge-- not against Colgate but as they move on through the bracket.
 
Question for the doctors on this forum.

Some of you know I have kidney problems.

I've been good as of late. But 3 weeks ago I had a tiny stone in my left kidney 2 mm and a smaller one in my right. Last week I went back to the Er with pain still. My creatine was still good so I wasn't too worried I weighed 215 then. Today, I weighed myself and I gained 8 pounds. I feel fine besides a little pain. Should I make a appointment to get checked out again or would it be normal?
 
Men's and women's BB have some of the same issues-- inconsistent effort, a sporadic lack of intensity and the occasional no-show from key players. Some days, both teams feel like they can come out, give half-effort and still win-- and a less-talented opponent proves them wrong. The men's team has been fortunate to salvage some near-losses when that happens; the women's team generally has not.

That's what the players and coaches say. Barnes, GW and AD have been candid about it. If it continues to happen, they'll continue to have tough losses. But it doesn't have to happen and they know how to fix it. Learn from yesterday and flush it.

I agree. We had these inconsistencies earlier in the year during our long win streak. They were able to overcome it and win despite not playing their best. It's a bit like bad habits on the golf course. Sometimes you can get away with it but you still develop bad habits that can be a bear to correct. This team hasn't found the key to be focused mentally game in and game out no matter who the opponent is. Some call is the killer instinct, being hungry, etc. It's just mental discipline. I hope the light goes on for this team, but I have serious doubts. It would be a real shame to lose the regular season title then the SECT title and get bounced from the tournament early. These are really good kids and I hope it doesn't happen, but in this sport, you get what you earn. No one is going to lay down for them and everyone is under the same rules. Lose and you go home. This is march madness. The level of play is increased across the board. If we fail to recognize that and respond we grab a quick flight home. When the dust settles on this season, I suspect they'll all have tremendous regrets about what they had a chance to accomplish. Sadly, it will stay with them.
 
Liked what Grant and Coach barnes had to say. Grant is a bit sniffley today. We have till Friday to get everyone healthy... Edit: Grant said he thought they played really well against LSU (even though they lost) and I agree. Still makes me mad about the ref.
 
I keep trying to make a bracket with duck winning but it always ends up with Tennessee winning :/

I always do a realistic bracket and a homer bracket.

My homer bracket this year has UT beating Duke 100-71 in the NC.

My realistic bracket this year has UT only beating Duke 78-76 in the NC.

😏
 
If I'm being super critical, here's my biggest complaint with this season and how it unfolded. Earlier in the year I was harping on this too. Only 6 players who averaged more than 15 minutes per game, and Pons hit 12.5...so that's bloated since he was starting for a few games.

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Duke a team who is not very deep had 7 guys over 15mpg and an 8th guy who was near 15mpg with 13.8. Maybe those 8-14 guys didn't "earn" the time, but I'm a big believer that the season should be where you really find out who can play cause practice isn't always a great indicator (Peterman vs Dobbs for example one always looked great in practice and the other didn't but when it's game time the separation of talent was different).
 
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If I'm being super critical, here's my biggest complaint with this season and how it unfolded. Earlier in the year I was harping on this too. Only 6 players who averaged more than 15 minutes per game, and Pons hit 12.5...so that's bloated since he was starting for a few games.

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Duke a team who is not very deep had 7 guys over 15mpg and an 8th guy who was near 15mpg with 13.8. Maybe those 8-14 guys didn't "earn" the time, but I'm a big believer that the season should be where you really find out who can play cause practice isn't always a great indicator (Peterman vs Dobbs for example one always looked great in practice and the other didn't but when it's game time the separation of talent was different).
yeah, if we're deep, we're deep, and that shoudl come thru in the games...and be an advantage.....it doesnt' play out like that with 6 guys averages over 20 minutes/game...and 4 over 30.

you could certainly make a case that guys like Walker and Johnson should have gotten more minutes thru out the season.....at a 30000 perspective like this.
 
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If I'm being super critical, here's my biggest complaint with this season and how it unfolded. Earlier in the year I was harping on this too. Only 6 players who averaged more than 15 minutes per game, and Pons hit 12.5...so that's bloated since he was starting for a few games.

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Duke a team who is not very deep had 7 guys over 15mpg and an 8th guy who was near 15mpg with 13.8. Maybe those 8-14 guys didn't "earn" the time, but I'm a big believer that the season should be where you really find out who can play cause practice isn't always a great indicator (Peterman vs Dobbs for example one always looked great in practice and the other didn't but when it's game time the separation of talent was different).

Good post. I would've loved to see more of Jalen, Fulky, and Walker through the regular season.

Their development might have been greatly expedited.

Does some of that boil down to those guys in the top 6 not closing out games? Perhaps.

But with more rest, maybe that wouldn't have been a problem.

Chicken or the egg?
 
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Obviously I'm just a fan, and it's easy to armchair coach. But I don't think there is enough separation of talent between Turner/Bowden/Kyle that they dominate that many more minutes than Fulkerson/Walker/Pons/Jalen.

We have 3 elite players imo, guys who can play with any team and be starters anywhere in the country. Grant/Bone/Admiral then next 3 guys are very solid and good players, but the next 3-4 guys aren't that far off the 2nd group and I think you can find the fire by putting them in game time situations.

How can a guy like Jalen or Walker learn to play through foul trouble or poor shooting nights when they get pulled so soon? There was times (TTU etc.) when you could just let these guys "figure it out" a bit on the court, and nothing they do in practice will ever give them that same sort of opportunity as if they were in a game and facing opponents who are going as hard as they can to take it to you.
 
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