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buffaloblue said:
The divide between players and Barnes is becoming a concern for me.

Lamonte acting like Barnes didn’t have his back and now Admirals tweet.

Was there an underlying friction?
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Ha ha ha. Wow. I can already see a scenario with everyone turning on Rick in 2 to 4 years (he couldn’t win big at Texas and he can’t win here!), Rick retiring and then us cycling through basketball coaches for another decade or more...
 
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MrVolton said:
McClendon was tough, but Douglas and Thomas were freshmen. Wanya and Wright were much more highly ranked than them coming in and it’s quite possible they surpass anything anybody on that ‘09 OL has done. D-Mo hadn’t proven much up to that point at all either, he actually really didn’t take off until 2010 or 2011. I’ll give you Brown and Hardesty, but don’t think Chandler and Banks are chopped liver either.

That 2009 team definitely had some bright spots, but there were some glaring holes too. One of those holes was OL, and to say that our current OL is not close to that 2009 OL is a bit of revisionist history.
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Chris Scott
Jaq McClendon
Aaron Douglas

Those three very good SEC Offensive Lineman. Aaron Douglas was a freshman all American too so he could’ve been the best of all of them.

Also had Luke Stocker who was a very good blocking TE.

I don’t think there’s any debate that the 09 was better on the OL.
 
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HankHill said:
Chris Scott
Jaq McClendon
Aaron Douglas

Those three very good SEC Offensive Lineman. Aaron Douglas was a freshman all American too so he could’ve been the best of all of them.

Also had Luke Stocker who was a very good blocking TE.

I don’t think there’s any debate that the 09 was better on the OL.
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A couple of those dudes are big time Vols, but there was still a HUGE drop off after them. And Douglas was a freshmen that never lived up to his potential while in Knoxville, it is very likely Wanya and Wright surpass him. That OL was just not great and they were not significantly better than the OL we have now. Stocker was very good, DWA could end up being very good this year too.
 
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MrVolton said:
A couple of those dudes are big time Vols, but there was still a HUGE drop off after them. And Douglas was a freshmen that never lived up to his potential while in Knoxville, it is very likely Wanya and Wright surpass him. That OL was just not great and they were not significantly better than the OL we have now. Stocker was very good, DWA could end up being very good this year too.
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Douglas was a freshman all American. How did he not live up to his potential that year? I don’t think you can say it’s very likely that any freshman will have a better campaign than one that ended in freshman all American.

So I’ll take two established NFL caliber OLmen in Scott and Jaq and a freshman All American in Douglas...over whatever were going to put out this year.
 
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HankHill said:
Douglas was a freshman all American. How did he not live up to his potential that year? I don’t think you can say it’s very likely that any freshman will have a better campaign than one that ended in freshman all American.

So I’ll take two established NFL caliber OLmen in Scott and Jaq and a freshman All American in Douglas...over whatever were going to put out this year.
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Douglas’s potential was 3 year starter and NFL draft pick. But you are right, we are just looking at the one year. Let’s see how Wanya and Wright end up this year, then revisit. Point is, that OL was not great and not significantly greater than what we have this year. Yeah we had a nice top 3 there, but the drop off after that was steep.
 
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MrVolton said:
It wasn’t the dozen NFL players that caused them to win only 7, it was the handful of walk on starters and other holes at various positions.
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We rushed for 1900 yards that year...that’s not happening if our OL isn’t good. You can keep coming back to having two walk ons on the OL bUT when they are are surrounding by 3 NFL caliber others and they played decent...it equates to a pretty solid unit.

It was a proven poor head coach that held us back that year.
 
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MrVolton said:
Let’s see how Wanya and Wright end up this year, then revisit. Point is, that OL was not great and not significantly greater than what we have this year. Yeah we had a nice top 3 there, but the drop off after that was steep.
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I think you are SERIOUSLY under playing “having a nice top 3”. When 60% of your starting OL are very good players you are going to be tough. Which is exactly what we were up front that year. We ran the ball basically at will.

Who is our top 3 this year compared to them. It’s not close man.
 
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HankHill said:
We rushed for 1900 yards that year...that’s not happening if our OL isn’t good. You can keep coming back to having two walk ons on the OL bUT when they are are surrounding by 3 NFL caliber others and they played decent...it equates to a pretty solid unit.

It was a proven poor head coach that held us back that year.
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That 1900 yards was great effort, no doubt. So was hanging with Bama that year. The UGA and SCAR games were great efforsts by both coaching staff and players.

I am not defending Kiffin either, but that doesn’t change the fact that that wasn’t a great roster across the board. DE, LB, corner, and OL outside the top 3 wouldn’t have started for 2/3 of the SEC that year. Teams can expose holes like that, Ole Miss 2009 and Va Tech 2009 are just a couple examples.
 
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HankHill said:
I think you are SERIOUSLY under playing “having a nice top 3”. When 60% of your starting OL are very good players you are going to be tough. Which is exactly what we were up front that year. We ran the ball basically at will.

Who is our top 3 this year compared to them. It’s not close man.
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Va Tech exposed them and there was still a huge drop off, including in the starting line up. Better OL in 2009, sure. But acting like that OL was great and saying it’s not close to what we have coming back is a stretch.

We’ll just have to wait and see how things end up this year anyhow to get a true comparison, otherwise this is all speculation.

By the way, I was surprised to see we had 1549 yards rushing behind that mess last year. That’s more than it seemed to me.
 
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Smokeytom said:
A little. But I would say the one consistently dissappointing thing about Barnes this year was his complacency to sit on the bench when the refs should've been getting an ear full. He loves this team no doubt, but he needs to fight for em a little more with the refs.
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There were times he was upset. He just picks his spots. Apparently, he went after the officials after the LSU game and was told to move on. He also gave the officials an earful in the Iowa game after the double foul on Fulkerson and the Iowa guard.

He isn’t just always passive.
 
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HankHill said:
This is one of the biggest misconceptions in our fan base. Yes the sullens twins were walk ons but they played well. We also had two NFL OL on that line and probably 3 (Aaron Douglas). So when you grade the OLs as a whole it’s really not close.

You also had two NFL RBs in brown and hardest and a
NFL deep threat in denarius Moore.

*that team was loaded and should’ve won 10+ games if kiffin was a good HC
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I’m not sure I agree with the last sentence, but you are correct about that team. It had NFL players at several positions. OL had a few NFL players, WR had Moore, Stocker at TE, Austin Johnson played in the NFL, Williams and Hughes on the DL, and Berry and decent CB’s.
 
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Ansley reviews how Tennessee's defense performed in scrimmage

“Obviously we didn’t do everything the right way,” Ansley said in reviewing the scrimmage during an interview on Sports Radio WNML’s “The Nation” on Sunday night. “Like I told them at the end of the scrimmage when I called them up, we’ve got to start faster. We didn’t start as fast as we needed to, and in an SEC elite defense you’ve got to get off the bus ready to go play and ready to go get stops.

“I didn’t think we did that yesterday, but there’s always something to learn from and grow from, and I think the next time we scrimmage, maybe we can start a little bit faster.”
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“I just want to see guys flying around, attacking the football,” he said. “Communication being the No. 1 thing, I think we have to improve as a whole of getting on the same page, playing the same way, attacking the football. Every player understanding their position and being more of a technician, whether it’s a 4i striking a guard, whether it’s corner playing bump-and-run, a safety in the middle of the field or a linebacker covering a running back.

“We all have things that we have to master at our position, and those are the couple of things that I would like to see each position do. Focus on those things and go out there and master them for the next six days.”
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Ansley reviews how Tennessee's defense performed in scrimmage
 
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Scott Frost makes a lot of Butch Style comments. Wonder how our fan base would be receiving him if he was our coach and had the year he has at Nebraska.
 
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vol2002 said:
Ha ha ha. Wow. I can already see a scenario with everyone turning on Rick in 2 to 4 years (he couldn’t win big at Texas and he can’t win here!), Rick retiring and then us cycling through basketball coaches for another decade or more...
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I’m sooooo far from that. Just found it interesting. Probably an overreaction based on a long tough season that ended before I wanted it to.

I just want Grant and Bone back.
 
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