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[Orange_Crush]

Sounds to me like you are only looking at it from the victims point of view. While dismissing the facts. There is a difference in “perception” of events from both sides. There is also a lot of facts missing because McCullough was smart and didn’t talk to the police.

Lol. You saying we wish he will play so we are hoping it gets dropped is a fallacy, I think he sucks at Safety so I don’t care if he plays or not. But, looking at it from a reasonable perspective of current facts. The intoxicated individual is not in the winners seat. It’s actually quite the opposite from a legal perspective. A lawyer will tear his actions and statements apart.

I am looking at it from the perspective of what's been released, and what many people are responding to. I said that clearly in my post, and even made it blatant with the "this may not even be what happened" comment. And per the "from the victim's perspective" I spoke to this:

If he apologized and left, then no. It's not.

Geez Us people. It's an apartment complex. This stupid **** happens all the time. I got drunk when I was 19 and walked into the wrong apartment at 1 am. The person inside helped me find my way to the right apartment and asked my friends to take care of me since I was obviously not in a state to take care of myself.

My daughters were raised to look for people like that to have in their lives.

I'm thinking of this from a legal and common decency perspective. If the guy accidentally walked into the wrong apartment, apologized, and was followed out... Then he is the victim. Not the girl.

You say "But, looking at it from a reasonable perspective of current facts."... And that I'm "While dismissing the facts."

Then you defend the assault as thoug the drunk moron was a rapist that burst into the apartment with a machete.

It's. A. Freaking. Apartment. Complex.

Stuff like this happens.

 

[drvenner]

Bru had a sneaky 7 catches for 140 against LSU. Dude's been a fantastic pickup for us.

I would not want to be the hapless DB trying to tackle him. That stiff arm is fierce and he runs with great aggression.

 

[LA Vol]

Unless JM did not coldcock a guy, bust his lip and knock his teeth out, UT has a problem.

And apparently, he left the scene and returned when called with his punching hand bandaged and seeping blood. So one way or the other, the university is going to investigate this outside of the legal system.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You assume he just apologized and left.

For the love of God, people. Do you even read?

Folks need to set their football wishes aside and look at this as rational people. Imagine you have an adult son who'd drank a bit too much, accidentally went into the wrong apartment, apologized, something...something, said "You don't need to be a dick about it", left... And someone followed him out after the need for any escalation at all, punched him down a flight of stairs and smashed his teeth out.

I'm not even saying this is what happened. I'm just saying that it's pretty sick to see people excusing this activity and calling to lie to the cops because they want an average safety back on the field for the Bama game.

 

[SweetasSoda]

My only 4 options are:
1a.) Dolly Parton
1b.) Inky Johnson
1c.) Candace Parker
1d.) Al Wilson
Any of the 4 would be great.

Condredge

 

[Adam2014]

Watch the goal line stand with audio from Mike Keith. This is how you call the game. Start it at about 18:25.

 

[RikidyBones]

Lol you’d want him to follow the guy out and hit him even if he was leaving (*assuming that’s what happened*)?

As far as I can tell the drunk kid didn’t kick the door in and come with bad intentions.

Pretty wild it seems like this could’ve been avoided altogether by locking the door.

That's assuming he left immediately. I don't buy that just yet. In our obligatory group text machine with some VN boys, I did question who leaves the door unlocked. I must've grew up in the ghetto cause in locking all of it. Deadbolt, handle, little dangly chain

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

I am looking at it from the perspective of what's been released, and what many people are responding to. I said that clearly in my post, and even made it blatant with the "this may not even be what happened" comment. And per the "from the victim's perspective" I spoke to this:



I'm thinking of this from a legal and common decency perspective. If the guy accidentally walked into the wrong apartment, apologized, and was followed out... Then he is the victim. Not the girl.

You say "But, looking at it from a reasonable perspective of current facts."... And that I'm "While dismissing the facts."

Then you defend the assault as thoug the drunk moron was a rapist that burst into the apartment with a machete.

It's. A. Freaking. Apartment. Complex.

Stuff like this happens.

You are not looking at it from the facts. You are adding possibilities that could have happened. Lol

Looking at this from a legal perspective the victim is not in a good spot regarding the altercation.

 

[drvenner]

Fair or not, JM has more responsibility to make good decisions than that of a regular student. Poor choice on his part to not just de-escalate. Which again, might not be easy, but is required.

Reserving any further judgment without all the information. I am not one to start throwing hands easily, but we clearly don't know the whole story.

 

[drylo]

 

[engineerVOL]

I would not want to be the hapless DB trying to tackle him. That stiff arm is fierce and he runs with great aggression.

When he gets the ball. I get a real sinister grin.

 

[RikidyBones]

For the love of God, people. Do you even read?

 

[engineerVOL]

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Perfect gif the first taze, too that sends him down.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You are not looking at it from the facts. You are adding possibilities that could have happened. Lol

Again...

Folks need to set their football wishes aside and look at this as rational people. Imagine you have an adult son who'd drank a bit too much, accidentally went into the wrong apartment, apologized, something...something, said "You don't need to be a dick about it", left... And someone followed him out after the need for any escalation at all, punched him down a flight of stairs and smashed his teeth out.

I'm not even saying this is what happened. I'm just saying that it's pretty sick to see people excusing this activity and calling to lie to the cops because they want an average safety back on the field for the Bama game.

I am stating the situation that people my comments were directed at were speaking to, while making the allowance that that may not even be what happened.

 

[MarcoVol]

Reserving any further judgment without all the information. I am not one to start throwing hands easily, but we clearly don't know the whole story.

Truth

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Unless JM did not coldcock a guy, bust his lip and knock his teeth out, UT has a problem.

And apparently, he left the scene and returned when called with his punching hand bandaged and seeping blood. So one way or the other, the university is going to investigate this outside of the legal system.

I mean if no cops were there at the time he isn’t required to stay. He has no obligation. So there is no “fleeing” the scene. Also, since he voluntarily came back and complied to the arrest, again, there is no “fleeing”

 

[Orange_Crush]

That's assuming he left immediately. I don't buy that just yet. In our obligatory group text machine with some VN boys, I did question who leaves the door unlocked. I must've grew up in the ghetto cause in locking all of it. Deadbolt, handle, little dangly chain

You live in an apartment, you lock the door.

Sounds like there was a lot of dumb going on.

 

[mrMet]

Lol, happens to the best. Except the Mets, they weren’t the best…. jk
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Still hard to believe they blew a 10.5 game lead

 

[drvenner]

@gordonr24 I think it was you that said you were going to be in Tallahassee this weekend? I could be misremembering. Anyway, I got my ticket at face value this morning on the FSU website. I would think that a game like Clemson would have been sold out long ago.

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Well you can believe whatever you want. Lol, but I’m Law Enforcement and I’m telling you, that it doesn’t matter if Jaylen walked outside after the initial incident. A good lawyer will get this dropped.

I mean heck Kenneth George actually assaulted a cop and got arrested and the charges were dropped lol.

Your main argument for the last few posts have been “it’s a drunk guys words vs JM words,” but that’s not the truth according to the story I read. There were multiple witnesses and that’s where the report came from.

What happens from here is up to the lawyers and yes, I do agree it was a good decision by JM to not talk to the cops. If more details come out that tells a different story then we can reassess but as it is right now from multiple witnesses JM made a mistake in following him and punching him after the guy was out of the apartment and leaving. The rest is up to the lawyers and we will see what Heupel says today in his press conference.

 

[Rizzo924]

Saban doesn't respect us or TSiO. We have never beaten him as a Coach.

Just get that vibe regardless of Coach speak about every opponent.

We were so close to equalizing the W-L column 15 years ago..and then we hit dumpster fire...

Well...I want to beat Saban as much as AL.

Funny enough..we sent Spurrier to his FLA swan song and then get beat by Saban.

Time to move on Saban.

Yep. I said in off season that I want us to beat AL before he steps down.

 

[RikidyBones]

You live in an apartment, you lock the door.

Sounds like there was a lot of dumb going on.

I live in a house, in a great neighborhood that is far from easy access to the highway and I use the dangly chain.

 

[mrMet]

I am looking at it from the perspective of what's been released, and what many people are responding to. I said that clearly in my post, and even made it blatant with the "this may not even be what happened" comment. And per the "from the victim's perspective" I spoke to this:



I'm thinking of this from a legal and common decency perspective. If the guy accidentally walked into the wrong apartment, apologized, and was followed out... Then he is the victim. Not the girl.

You say "But, looking at it from a reasonable perspective of current facts."... And that I'm "While dismissing the facts."

Then you defend the assault as thoug the drunk moron was a rapist that burst into the apartment with a machete.

It's. A. Freaking. Apartment. Complex.

Stuff like this happens.

The guy was at the entirely wrong building. I mean come on

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Again...



I am stating the situation that people my comments were directed at were speaking to, while making the allowance that that may not even be what happened.

Yeah but then you stated what if you were the parent of the kid who got into this incident lol. I am just saying you are making a lot of statements on what could of happened and what we should think could of happened if we were in the victims parents shoes, rather than just going if the current facts of the situation.

I mean personally if I accidentally walked into someone’s apartment and left, no matter if the dude was being a dick I’m not going to get into a verbal altercation with them lol, I would of been in the wrong. The guys words were “I don’t know why you are being a b***h about it” lol after he just broke into their apartment.

 

[gordonr24]

@gordonr24 I think it was you that said you were going to be in Tallahassee this weekend? I could be misremembering. Anyway, I got my ticket at face value this morning on the FSU website. I would think that a game like Clemson would have been sold out long ago.

I am indeed. I’m driving to Destin on Friday. It’ll be a day trip to Tallahassee on Saturday. Me and my buddies will get there early afternoon to catch the end of the early games and watch the Bama game at some place that has TVs.