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The recruiting calendar now is, realistically, December to December. For most of the ‘23 recruiting year, we were a promising program with a promising coach, but with a recent history of underperforming expectations. Our current recruiting class basically reflects this outlook, given we don’t have a geographic advantage in recruiting over a lot of our rivals.

The inflection point for the how this program is viewed changed dramatically in the LSU-Bama weeks, which was mid-October. Now we’re seen as a real contending program that will likely exceed expectations, but this change occurred 10.5 months into the recruiting calendar. It just seems pointless to complain that our current class doesn’t reflect new outlook of the program, because the change occurred too late in the calendar.

Under the old February-February calendar, you would have much more of an opportunity to capitalize on in-season success.
 
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Ahead of Saturday’s divisional matchup at Neyland Stadium, former Florida and South Carolina head coach Steve Spurrier discussed the Vols under Heupel.

“I think they’re the best offense in the country right now,” Spurrier said of Tennessee on “The Paul Finebaum Show.” “Josh Heupel’s coach of the year, (Hendon) Hooker’s the leading Heisman candidate. I was watching that game, Alabama game, with some friends, guy looked at me and said, ‘Coach, you’re pulling for Tennessee?’. I said, well, of course I’m pulling for Tennessee. I’m from Tennessee, you didn’t know that? He said I thought we always pull against them. I said, well, if the division race depended on it, of course we would hope that would happen. Alabama, I think a lot of people in the SEC, the south, have said, hey, they’ve won enough, let’s get some other people with a chance to win some championships.


“I’ve admired what they’ve done up there. They throw it around maybe better than anybody in the country right now, so if that continues, I think they got a chance for that real big season.”



Steve Spurrier discusses admiration for Vols’ offense under Josh Heupel
 
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bignewt said:
Because I have been tasked to police your ridiculously whiny, unwarranted and star gazing defunct school of thinking about recruiting.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I believe in development. You don't. I am being proven correct. You continue to throw your little crib fits.
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Stargazers getting scared. Their argument has been "No team can have a chance at the playoff without a roster full to the rim with 4-5-stars." Now we're looking at UT with a chance at the playoff without being full of blue-chip talent.

We all know that UT is going to stay successful for some time. The only way to save the blue-chip recruiting ranking lovefest is for UT to be loading up on blue-chip talent. Can't have our success continuing with less than top-3 classes.

Laws no. That'd be catastrophic.
 
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SoilVol said:
Wildlife are naturally curious and inquisitive like we are. Reptiles are no different, even if their behavior and moods are harder to assess. When you take a moment to observe them doing this, allow them to continue doing what they're doing, you'll often note they investigate things then go on their way. Or you'll see what they were actually after (prey you didn't see) or actually trying to accomplish (going to shelter, getting up somewhere to bask, etc). Thousands of observations (documented, video recorded, anecdotal, peer-reviewed) by herpetologists confirm inquisitive and curious behaviors in reptiles.
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Here is my point: they have assigned this behavior as “inquisitive”, when they don’t really know what is going on in that snake’s brain. It is at BEST an educated guess. There could be some other innate instinct driving that snake’s behavior besides “inquisitive nature”. Maybe they are inquisitive, maybe inquiring if that is food. Maybe not.
Here is what I have learned about snakes (anecdotally of course). I spent hundreds of hours outside roaming creeks, pond and woods as a kid. Different snakes act differently. I have seen black snakes follow. Yes they are not likely chasing. If you stop, they stop. Happened more than once. I have seen hog nosed snakes play possum. More than once. I have rolled up on cotton mouths ( or if you prefer water moccasins) and they never fled. They either assumed aggressive (or possibly defensive) posture, or they advanced toward me. Most of the other snakes I encountered all tried to flee.

I generally find your posts informative and interesting and this is an interesting discussion, so no other intent on my part.
 
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itsme said:
We actually have quite a few 4 star players. Of the guys getting playing time . The guys that will be getting post season awards were all 4 star or higher except Tillman at some point in their career.
I am only showing the guys that I have seen getting playing time. I may have missed someone. For complete transparency I only looked at 247 composite (I believe it was composite) so some may be 4 stars on other sites.

(2) 5 star D. Wright and McCoy
(17) 4 stars that are getting playing time including Carvin, Keyton, McCollough, R. Harrison, O. Thomas, Baron, Hyatt, Calloway, Mays, Eason, Merrill, West, Pearce, Josephs, Turrentine, Hooker and Milton
(22) 3 stars Banks, Tillman, Warren, Flowers, Lane, Brooks, Beasley, Burrell, Simmons, Slaughter, Holiday, Spraggins, Small, Young, Charles, Wright, Crawford, Hadden, Mitchell, Terry, McGrath, Sampson, White, Williams, Walker and Mincey

19 of the 41 players are 4 star or higher. The more 4 and 5 stars the higher the chance to win.
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while the staff has done a good job developing what they’ve got and escaping a few teams with a mostly senior group of players, when we get more talent it’ll allow for bigger margins. We lose alot of experience next year and without some talent injected into the program we’ll fall backwards a good bit. We see it every year with teams that aren’t in the top 10 of rosters. Get a senior heavy group have a great season, most leave and the next year they take a sizable step back. But Tennessee’s done well in the 23’ class the average rating is 90.62 which is enough to string together a good roster. It’ll be a nice launch pad to keep building the program and it’ll allow for the margin of error to get bigger for the program
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Stargazers getting scared. Their argument has been "No team can have a chance at the playoff without a roster full to the rim with 4-5-stars." Now we're looking at UT with a chance at the playoff without being full of blue-chip talent.

We all know that UT is going to stay successful for some time. The only way to save the blue-chip recruiting ranking lovefest is for UT to be loading up on blue-chip talent. Can't have our success continuing with less than top-3 classes.

Laws no. That'd be catastrophic.
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In the history of the playoffs only 2 teams have made it that weren’t top 10 in talent rankings: Cincy and MSU. And both of those teams were reminded very quickly of the difference in talent.

If we win the national title it will be the first team to ever do it ranked as low in talent as we are. And the majority of the players we are depending on are 4 and 5 star guys I remind you.

But let’s go deeper. Do you believe Heup would’ve won a real national title at UCF? If you say yes you’re lying. And you know it.

Heupel is the best offensive coach in college football and there’s no denying it. What he’s doing is extraordinary. But to sustain it, we will have to get and keep developing talent. Ga is good because of talent not Kirby. We may beat them still this year. But do we want to beat them next year and the next and the next?

Arguing that we don’t need talent is nonsensical. Heup isn’t winning anything at Vandy.
 
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LA Vol said:
Wouldn't worry much about recruiting right now. UT is keeping powder dry for the portal. Portal shopping with NIL money adds a new layer to recruiting. UT has had more luck than not with portal players, and we will have good opportunities to add experience at key positions.
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My uneducated thought as well. Just makes too much sense.
 
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KptVFL said:
Sounds like it and is understandable.

How is someone gonna feel when they find out the new/green employee at work is making more than them and they've been with the company for 3 years?
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I thought that would happen. Curious if he just thinks so or is hearing grumbling.
 
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