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bignewt said:
Because I have been tasked to police your ridiculously whiny, unwarranted and star gazing defunct school of thinking about recruiting.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I believe in development. You don't. I am being proven correct. You continue to throw your little crib fits.
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Mortal Kombat: FInish Him!
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
In the history of the playoffs only 2 teams have made it that weren’t top 10 in talent rankings: Cincy and MSU. And both of those teams were reminded very quickly of the difference in talent.

If we win the national title it will be the first team to ever do it ranked as low in talent as we are. And the majority of the players were depending on are 4 and 5 star guys I remind you.

But let’s go deeper. Do you believe Heup would’ve won a real national title at UCF? If you say yes you’re lying. And you know it.

Heupel is the best offensive coach in college football and there’s no denying it. What he’s doing is extraordinary. But to sustain it, we will have to get and keep developing talent. Ga is good because of talent not Kirby. We may beat them still this year. But do we want to beat them next year and the next and the next?

Arguing that we don’t need talent is nonsensical. Heup isn’t winning anything at Vandy.
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To add to this, the main reason that stars matter is because it allows for quality depth. Through the football season, and especially in SEC play, you will start to take some hits on players being injured or taking damage. UGA, Bama, Ohio St have the luxury of plugging in elite backups with equal talent but less experience.

We are a fantastic team. Sometimes the stars align and you can make it through the season mostly unscathed. Sometimes you have an ELITE QB that can elevate an otherwise great-not-elite team to playoff contender status. The only teams that won with a blue chip ratio in the 50's/60's were 2013 Florida State (Winston, 53%), 2016 Clemson (Watson, 52%), 2018 Clemson (Lawrence, 61%), and 2019 LSU (Burrow, 64%). We are probably closest to the FSU and Clemson teams from the early 10's that won with potent offenses led by outstanding QB play.

I think that our schedule is finally benefitting us, along with (finally) having a staff that can develop talent. It's interesting what happens when the league doesn't set us up to be roadkill from a scheduling standpoint (either dates or kickoff times). Plus other teams are finally hitting lulls, when we were in a sustained one for way too long.

The widely agreed upon cycle of success in College Football is Recruit Elite Talent, Develop Talent to Win, Win to Recruit Elite Talent, repeat... (the longer this cycle repeats for a program, the better the program becomes)

Some coaches win to recruit, like Saban. Some recruit to win, like Kirby. They all need to get, keep, and improve elite talent to win.

I am happy that we are bucking the trend of being the best roster. But we are the exception. Some posters here are getting excited, like they've been waiting 15 years to say "I knew it! You don't need the best players to win!"

We are too early to know if this is true. We aren't even close to the postseason yet. I hope that we win out and prove a system/school of thought (that is constantly reinforced by facts) wrong.

There is a lot of binary thinking on this board when it comes to recruiting conversations and how that relates to winning.

Will simply having the best players lead to a championship? No.
Will being the best developer lead to a championship? No.

It takes culture, it takes nutrition, it takes strength training, it takes development, it takes recruiting, it takes great coaching, it takes help from things that you have no control over whatsoever. All of these things blend together to build championship football.
 
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Orange. said:
He's talking about nationally, not us as a particular case, if that's what you're asking.
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Thought nationally. Was just wondering how many are already talking about transferring. Wondering how much schools are going to have to try to negotiate deals to keep their good players.
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
The only reason Ga has a chance against us next week is because of talent. If we had equal talent to Ga this game would not be competitive. Kirby isn’t out coaching anyone.

We have the coach. Get us the talent and see what happens.

The only person whining is Newt.

We have a good class. We all want a great class. Landing Hobbs and Ramil will certainly get us down that pathway.

Some of us are just surprised that our year isn’t having more of an effect on some uncommitted prospects and also prospects who are committed to crappy schools like NC, Memphis, FSU, AU, and some others. That’s not difficult to understand.

Thankfully ‘24 is going to be a tremendous class barring something crazy happening.
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I think a lot of the reluctance with players in the '23 class is that they wanted to see if CJH and his staff were a flash in the pan last year at 7-6, which honestly I understand based on how things have went for our last 4 coaching hires. I think recruiting has picked up and more of the '24 nd '25 class are open to Tennessee being a legit and fun option. Games like the Bama game and the Georgia game being national are creating more buzz and excitement for our brand.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
To add to this, the main reason that stars matter is because it allows for quality depth. Through the football season, and especially in SEC play, you will start to take some hits on players being injured or taking damage. UGA, Bama, Ohio St have the luxury of plugging in elite backups with equal talent but less experience.

We are a fantastic team. Sometimes the stars align and you can make it through the season mostly unscathed. Sometimes you have an ELITE QB that can elevate an otherwise great-not-elite team to playoff contender status. The only teams that won with a blue chip ratio in the 50's/60's were 2013 Florida State (Winston, 53%), 2016 Clemson (Watson, 52%), 2018 Clemson (Lawrence, 61%), and 2019 LSU (Burrow, 64%). We are probably closest to the FSU and Clemson teams from the early 10's that won with potent offenses led by outstanding QB play.

I think that our schedule is finally benefitting us, along with (finally) having a staff that can develop talent. It's interesting what happens when the league doesn't set us up to be roadkill from a scheduling standpoint (either dates or kickoff times). Plus other teams are finally hitting lulls, when we were in a sustained one for way too long.

The widely agreed upon cycle of success in College Football is Recruit Elite Talent, Develop Talent to Win, Win to Recruit Elite Talent, and so on...

Some coaches win to recruit, like Saban. Some recruit to win, like Kirby. They all need to get, keep, and improve elite talent to win.

I am happy that we are bucking the trend of being the best roster. But we are the exception. Some posters here are getting excited, like they've been waiting 15 years to say "I knew it! You don't need the best players to win!"

We are too early to know if this is true. We aren't even close to the postseason yet. I hope that we win out and prove a system/school of thought wrong.

There is a lot of binary thinking on this board when it comes to recruiting conversations and how that relates to winning.

Will simply having the best players lead to a championship? No.
Will being the best developer lead to a championship? No.

It takes culture, it takes nutrition, it takes strength training, it takes development, it takes recruiting, it takes great coaching, it takes help from things that you have no control over whatsoever. All of these things blend together to build championship football.
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100%. But I also don’t want to be a 1 hit wonder. Recruit elite talent and sustain success. we are going to do that. I’m not worried. ‘24 as I have said numerous times is going to be an elite class.

This all started because I said I’m surprised that we aren’t having more momentum in ‘23 tho I love the class we already have. Folks freak out and then project that on to me. It’s quite hilarious to read.
 
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LA Vol said:
Wouldn't worry much about recruiting right now. UT is keeping powder dry for the portal. Portal shopping with NIL money adds a new layer to recruiting. UT has had more luck than not with portal players, and we will have good opportunities to add experience at key positions.
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Hopefully it works out. I'm just not sure how you can be certain who will be available. Or if you'll win the bidding war. Seems like a crap shoot.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
The recruiting calendar now is, realistically, December to December. For most of the ‘23 recruiting year, we were a promising program with a promising coach, but with a recent history of underperforming expectations. Our current recruiting class basically reflects this outlook, given we don’t have a geographic advantage in recruiting over a lot of our rivals.

The inflection point for the how this program is viewed changed dramatically in the LSU-Bama weeks, which was mid-October. Now we’re seen as a real contending program that will likely exceed expectations, but this change occurred 10.5 months into the recruiting calendar. It just seems pointless to complain that our current class doesn’t reflect new outlook of the program, because the change occurred too late in the calendar.

Under the old February-February calendar, you would have much more of an opportunity to capitalize on in-season success.
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Dang, you said it so much better than me!
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Thought nationally. Was just wondering how many are already talking about transferring. Wondering how much schools are going to have to try to negotiate deals to keep their good players.
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It's going to be a problem for schools that haven't built solid relationships and have players who aren't all-in on the program. And those guys who feel underappreciated, are all about the money or are on shaky ground academically are going to fish for new opportunities. I think UT has learned something from guys who didn't work out and will continue to look for fit first, then make a deal happen if they can. It will be interesting.
 
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LA Vol said:
It's going to be a problem for schools that haven't built solid relationships and have players who aren't all-in on the program. And those guys who feel underappreciated, are all about the money or are on shaky ground academically are going to fish for new opportunities. I think UT has learned something from guys who didn't work out and will continue to look for fit first, then make a deal happen if they can. It will be interesting.
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Everyone just needs to check the roster for their team the week of the first game.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
The recruiting calendar now is, realistically, December to December. For most of the ‘23 recruiting year, we were a promising program with a promising coach, but with a recent history of underperforming expectations. Our current recruiting class basically reflects this outlook, given we don’t have a geographic advantage in recruiting over a lot of our rivals.

The inflection point for the how this program is viewed changed dramatically in the LSU-Bama weeks, which was mid-October. Now we’re seen as a real contending program that will likely exceed expectations, but this change occurred 10.5 months into the recruiting calendar. It just seems pointless to complain that our current class doesn’t reflect new outlook of the program, because the change occurred too late in the calendar.

Under the old February-February calendar, you would have much more of an opportunity to capitalize on in-season success.
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Exactly.
 
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