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At what point does DW realize KJH is over her head and a change is needed? Honestly, I feel like the fact we missed on every 2023 target shows it just isn't going to work out. If you can't recruit at Tennessee, the program Pat Summitt built, that's a HUGE red flag. I just hope DW doesn't listen to the LV supporters who feel we have to stay in family, or that the LV's HC has to be a woman. He's demonstrated good judgement on his coaching hires at previous stops. We need to go out and get a winner who can build on Pat's legacy. The coaches we've had since Pat have tarnished what she built IMO.

Spot on. It's past time to move on from the old guard. That's why the program is the way it is. Keeping leadership within Pat's coaching tree means mediocrity for the future. There will be huge support for exciting basketball that draws new and more fans to support the program. Go hire the best up and coming innovator who can recruit well out there. The old guard need to focus on the program - Pat's legacy is honored by having the program at an elite status.
 
At what point does DW realize KJH is over her head and a change is needed? Honestly, I feel like the fact we missed on every 2023 target shows it just isn't going to work out. If you can't recruit at Tennessee, the program Pat Summitt built, that's a HUGE red flag. I just hope DW doesn't listen to the LV supporters who feel we have to stay in family, or that the LV's HC has to be a woman. He's demonstrated good judgement on his coaching hires at previous stops. We need to go out and get a winner who can build on Pat's legacy. The coaches we've had since Pat have tarnished what she built IMO.

Yeah I don’t think the guy who has hired successful coach after successful coach and was hired by UT because of his skill (and subsequently hired a football coach from outside the normal blue print) will be listening to anyone trying to steer him in a certain direction
 
Key was important to the LVs, so that definitely will be an excuse, as will the player returning to Spain mid-season. But those are small pieces of a bigger problem. The LVs are left with two elite players and this is likely their last year in the program. Key may not return, there probably will be transfers out and there are no new recruits coming in-- zero-- because the LVs missed on every 2023 target. So the staff will have to portal shop for players who can elevate a struggling team to play a difficult schedule with the dwindling support of an increasingly uneasy fanbase. The immediate challenge: don't let it get uglier.

@InVOLuntary needs to get right on this. InVOL... ?
What? How does that happen?

If she can’t even recruit to Tennessee, she’ll never be able to coach at Tennessee.
 
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So dang strange. I had one last night that went over several days. It was so wierd, I'm surprised I didn't realize it was a dream and try to have a lucid dream/ astral dream. I always thought astral dreams were 🐎 💩, until I had one several years ago.
Had heard of astral projection before, but didn't really know what it was. It sounds interesting and not scary like sleep paralysis which sucks.
Might have to at least give it a try sometime early in the morning.

Have you been practicing it for a long time? Sounds like it may take some time to get down the silver rope method. And tbh I'm a bit more skeptical but who knows
 
I get the numbers, but it's a drastically different game today than in the '70s. Starting with Bill Walsh and the "West Coast" Offense, the passing game became more consistent. Just look at the great QBs in the NFL prior to 1980. The numbers are horrible based on today. Schemes and the fact defensive backs were allowed to assault receivers, caused a lower completion rate and TD/INT ratio. They also didn't throw 5 yard slants and bubble screens every other play. They threw the ball down the field.



Montana I get, but Rodgers? He's at his worst in the playoffs.

The difference is that Rodgers has had next to no help. GB is the weirdest franchise they manage to get HOF QBs and yet rarely have great defenses, RBs, or OL to support them.
A franchise with 33 HOFs, but in the Favre era forward you've only had these guys go in:

Leroy Butler (2022 class)
Charles Woodson (2021 class) - spent majority of his career with Oakland
Brett Favre (2016 class)
Reggie White (2006 class) - only in GB for 6 seasons though at the tail-end of his career

That's it... just 3 defensive players, no WRs or RBs, or OL that played with Favre/Rodgers (yet) and only 3 defensive players that played with them and 2 of those guys (Woodson & White) were only there briefly later in their careers. All that to say once you get in the playoffs it's harder to win as a one man show (Peyton Manning, Dan Marino also had to deal with this).

Still in the playoffs I wouldn't put it on Rodgers for why they only made one super bowl.

He's 11-10 with a QB rating: 100.1, 64.7%, 268 passing yards per game, 45 TDs, 13 INTs

Bradshaw in playoffs was 14-5 with a QB rating: 83.0, 57.2%, 202 passing yards per game, 30 TDs 26 INTs

You're not wrong though that it's different eras. But even before 1980 there were accurate QBs in the league

Ken Anderson (7 seasons finishing with 60% or better), Fran Tarkenton (5 seasons), Ken Stabler (5 seasons), Dan Fouts (5 seasons), & Bart Starr (4 seasons) But Terry's best season was just 57.7% for his entire career (not counting the year he went 5 of 8 in his last season after the elbow surgery).

Also side note, imagine how many more SBs the Steelers would have had they taken Dan Marino to be Terry's replacement?

Again when someone says "who ya picking" it's always subjective and I gave my 3 and the reasons. I understand why people would pick Terry, so even sharing the numbers I'm not arguing he's a bad choice just why he's not my choice.
 
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I don’t follow LV bball very closely. So by what measure is she not good? When I look I see a 70% winning percentage overall at UT and 71% win percentage in SEC play. And coming off a Sweet 16.

She's Hollie 2.0 by how she coaches, acts on the floor. You see a 70% win rate, but most of that is from the talent she has. Can recruit, but meh on the floor.

Maybe Butch 2.0 is a better comp.
 
NFL PLAYERS COACHED

DB Alontae Taylor, New Orleans Saints, 2022
DB Theo Jackson, Tennessee Titans, 2022
DB Kenneth George Jr., Tennessee Titans, 2022
DB Richie Grant, Atlanta Falcons, 2021
DB Aaron Robinson, New York Giants, 2021
DB Tay Gowan, Arizona Cardinals, 2021
DB Micah Abernathy, Minnesota Vikings, 2019
DB Rashaan Gaulden, Carolina Panthers, 2018
DB Emmanuel Moseley, San Francisco 49ers, 2018
DB Cameron Sutton, Pittsburgh Steelers, 2017
DB Justin Coleman, Seattle Seahawks, 2015
DB Aaron Colvin, Jacksonville Jaguars, 2014
DB Shawn Williams, Cincinnati Bengals, 2013
DB Sanders Commings, Kansas City Chiefs, 2013
LB Cornelius Washington, Chicago Bears, 2013
DB Bacarri Rambo, Washington, 2013
DB Jamell Fleming, Arizona Cardinals, 2012
DB Brandon Boykin, Philadelphia Eagles, 2012
DE DeAngelo Tyson, Baltimore Ravens, 2012
DB Quinton Carter, Denver Broncos, 2011
DB Jonathan Nelson, St. Louis Rams, 2011
LB Rennie Curran, Tennessee Titans, 2010
DT Geno Atkins, Cincinnati Bengals, 2010
DB Reshad Jones, Miami Dolphins, 2010
DT Jeff Owens, Philadelphia Eagles, 2010
DE Kade Weston, New England Patriots, 2010
DB Asher Allen, Minnesota Vikings, 2009
DT Corvey Irvin, Carolina Panthers, 2009
DE Jarius Wynn, Green Bay Packers, 2009
LB Marcus Howard, Indianapolis Colts, 2008
DB Paul Oliver, San Diego Chargers, 2007
DE Quentin Moses, Oakland Raiders, 2007
DE Charles Johnson, Carolina Panthers, 2007
DB Tim Jennings, Indianapolis Colts, 2006
DB Greg Blue, Minnesota Vikings, 2006
DB Demario Minter, Cleveland Browns, 2006
DT Kedric Golston, Washington, 2006
DB Thomas Davis, Carolina Panthers, 2005
DB Sean Jones, Cleveland Browns, 2004
DB Bruce Thornton, Dallas Cowboys, 2004
DB Terreal Bierria, Seattle Seahawks, 2002
DB Jermaine Phillips, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2002
DB Tim Wansley, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2002
* - year listed is year to the NFL

Just out of curiousity. How many of those did anything worthwhile in the NFL?
 
I’d like to see this after a stat nerd adjusted it for strength of schedule.
If I'm understanding the tweet, our SoS wouldn't change it. It's just saying how did you do vs X opponent as compared to how did that same opponent do vs everyone else. I guess you could say our opponents' cumulative SoSs may play a role though.

We were #1 in this ranking just on offense.

Defensively, it shouldn't be surprising because this is simply total yards per game, which Vol fans already know is a stupid metric considering how many snaps our defense will face given our tempo. And we did give up a fair number of yards this year. More importantly, we didn't give up as much when looking at yards per play. And MOST importantly, our points allowed per game and per possession were pretty darn good.
 
Softball was really good but they haven't been anywhere near what they were. The Weeklys are legends and Ralph has retired but Karen is still around. The main issue is not being able to develop pitchers and refusing to change their offensive philosophy. Softball is more in line with baseball in the power game is where it's at but the Softball team is still running a bunch of slappers out. So it takes us 3 hits to score 1 run, it takes other teams 1 hit to score 3 runs.
It's not going to get any easier either. Texas softball is solid, and Oklahoma softball is the Georgia football of their sport currently. When they join its just going to get that much tougher.
I think they have some decent to good power hitters. I totally agree about the pitching.
 
In today's game? I wouldn't take Bradshaw personally. I'd want some one that could throw it all over the field with accuracy and Terry being a career 51.9% with only 2 more TDs than INTs tells me for the style of offense I'd want to run he'd be a liability.

Joe Montana is a pretty safe bet...high completion %, low INT ratio, proven winner in big game moments...

But I'd actually take Steve Young or Aaron Rodgers if all other thing are equal (OL, skill players, and defense).

Young: 64.3% and just 2.6% for INT % (same as Montana)
Rodgers: 65.3% and just 1.4% for INT % (lowest in NFL history for a career)

Both can also run when needed. Rodgers has over 3400 rushing yards with a 4.8 YPC and 35 TDs. Young had over 4200 rushing yards with a 5.9 YPC and 43 TDs.

So for me at least

1a. Steve Young
1b. Aaron Rodgers
2. Joe Montana
1a. Peyton
1b. Peyton
2. Peyton
 
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