Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[JCVol00]

If it werent for Rick Barnes, we would still be an SEC doormat. I am extremely grateful for what he has done for our program. I think he is one of the better coaches, if not the best we have had for our mbb team. That loss last night was not 100% on him, he didnt go out there and shoot 27%. It’s still a really frustrating loss, but upsets happen. The only consistent team this year in the top 25 has been Purdue, i hate to say and see it.

 

[volbeast33]

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Not to mention, Mark Richt was better than Ray Goff and Jim Donnan, but something tells me they don't regret replacing Mark Richt with Kirby Smart.


And before you go there, no, I don't want to see Barnes replaced. I'm wanting him to coach here until retirement. But when he does retire, I hope the next coach can get over that invisible hump that always seems to catch Barnes' teams.

Saying I can understand someone's POV doesn't mean I share it. Stop being so damn grumpy.

Sick of the ungrateful entitled idiot margin ..I do not understand it and I will not except it, nor will I endorse such views as legitimate.

I want to win a title as much as anybody....but you have to build a stable program that wins consistently to get a annual shot at it. This team has just as good a shot as anybody this year...there is no truly elite squad with no flaws.

This team is what it always was...a very good team with flaws. They play hard elite defense and they deserve respect for it. Defense is pure "want to"...so they have "want to" in spades and I appreciate that.

 

[volbeast33]

Is this really serious? Barnes is 9-8 against Calipari and won a game EVERY single season. Yes, the UK who is a blue blood.

I swear, people are ridiculous. Barnes is literally the best coach against UK that I’ve seen in my lifetime. Frankly, it’s incredible.

Should be 10-7 LOL

 

[luthervol]

To be fair to CTV his sample size is ALOT smaller than CRB. Both great people though.

and great coaches.

 

[csprig9]

While I want to see Tennessee and Rick Barnes break through the imaginary barrier and go to the final four I do t get the arguments of people blaming the players for the losses but give credit to Barnes for the wins.

 

[turdherder11]

Admiral in 2017-18
13.9 Pts, 6.4 Reb, 1.5 Ast
Admiral in 2018-19
16.5 Pts, 6.1 Reb, 2.0 Ast

people remember Admiral admirably (woah) because of what he did in the big games, especially 2018-19:

Reg Season:
Louisville: 20 pts, 6 reb, 4 ast
#2 Kansas: 21, 6, 2
#1 Gonzaga: 30, 6, 1
Memphis: 29, 11, 2
#13 LSU: 27, 9, 1

SECT:
Miss St: 20, 7, 2
Kentucky: 21, 3, 5

NCAAT:
Colgate: 19, 4, 1
Iowa: 19, 5, 0
Purdue: 21, 9, 2

Not to mention his dunks, threes, steals, blocks all came at very very crucial times. Even in games that he didn't dominate, like you say. It was always what the doctor ordered. He either set the tone with a dunk or met the moment with a crucial play.



Look at his confidence on offense in that video. This team is missing that.

He wanted the ball in his hands in big moments and either made the play, or drew the D so his teammate(s) could make the play. AS is as close to a killer as we've had in the Barnes era.

Oof! That last dunk vs KY..... his dunk on 2 guys vs Wright St was awesome too.

 

[volbeast33]

We shot 12 free-throws they shot 24. KY game was the similar.

Free throws are not suppose to be even.

 

[Nuctech777]

Free throws are not suppose to be even.

Maybe not but it’s frustrating to see the other team get away with the same stuff they are calling you for.

 

[volbeast33]

I don't care...I wanna have a consistently good program and we have one.

I know that is how you feel…. My standard is the same for Barnes as it was for cuonzo….. Peterson…. Houston…. Devoe… and every coach that we have from now on…. You are judged by how you do in March… I am appreciative of the stability… prestige… and character that Barnes brings to our program. He still needs to get over that hump to the next level.

 

[volbeast33]

Maybe not but it’s frustrating to see the other team get away with the same stuff they are calling you for.

I have never seen anyone on here talk about us getting any calls… Think some of that my be our ingrained bias towards UT?

 

[volbeast33]

I'll take 2-4 more losses. Putting us at 6-8 losses and 28-32 wins. Pretty darn solid season. Would mean Barnes has given us fewer than 10 losses in 5/8 seasons and 3 years in a row. Last time we even went back-to-back <10 loss seasons was when Jerry Green had 3 in a row from 1997-2000.

Also going back-to-back 25+ win seasons. Last time the Vols did that was 2017-2019 and before that.... never....

Never have the Volunteers won 25 games back-to-back except twice in the last 6 years if the boys do it this year.

I wish we had a different coach than Green with those talented teams.

 

[Jack Burton]

Why NFL? Any sport is as susceptible. The NBA dude got away with it for quite some time. College kids and players have been doing it for decades. And with online betting you can bet any college game or even prop bet the players from your phone. The thing is it's like insider trading. Hard to keep from happening, at best you can detect it after the fact.

Sure other sports are susceptible but the NFL is the most popular sport in America. The AFC championship game averaged 53M viewers iirc. There’s just too much money involved, and there’s more money gambling on the games than ever before.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Damn...I missed the game, a bit shocked they lost by 13.

Seemed like it was a trap game though, on the road between Texas and Auburn at TBA and the team apparently couldn't hit anything.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Free throws are not suppose to be even.

Ok

 

[mr.checkerboards]

While I want to see Tennessee and Rick Barnes break through the imaginary barrier and go to the final four I do t get the arguments of people blaming the players for the losses but give credit to Barnes for the wins.

I just dont understand why people get mad when Barnes gets blamed for losses. Does he not coach those games? Is it the assistants turn to be in charge? Giving him credit for the wins over TX, Kansas is fine but he also needs to be held responsible for the losses to Colorado and Florida etc...

 

[Vols4us]

Damn...I missed the game, a bit shocked they lost by 13.

Seemed like it was a trap game though, on the road between Texas and Auburn at TBA and the team apparently couldn't hit anything.

Pretty much. Add in CRB went with the small ball line-up for much of the game and it failed big time due to the bad shooting while Castleton had fun for them inside. They were sluggish.

Same stuff at the same time every season. Maybe there's a plan, maybe not. Who knows? Just win in March when it matters most.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Recruiting talk. If we count Texas and Oklahoma, The top 4 classes are in the SEC. 6 of the top 10 are SEC. 10 of the top 20 are SEC. 12 of top 25 are SEC. 15 of top 33 are in SEC. The lowest ranking class was Vandy at #52. Schiano was 57.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Pretty much. Add in CRB went with the small ball line-up for much of the game and it failed big time due to the bad shooting while Castleton had fun for them inside. They were sluggish.

Same stuff at the same time every season. Maybe there's a plan, maybe not. Who knows? Just win in March when it matters most.

Yeah was also a bit worried by CRB's recent trend to limit minutes for the bench. Since the Kentucky game even in blowouts we've seen most the starters playing close to 30 minutes, Georgia was the only exception and back to back games where the starting 5 all clocked 30 minutes has to have an impact....earlier in the season that wasn't the case.

 

[Nuctech777]

I have never seen anyone on here talk about us getting any calls… Think some of that my be our ingrained bias towards UT?

Absolutely. But getting called for a moving screen when Castleton is doing the same thing every possession is frustrating. Aidoo getting called for a foul on a layup and then the replay shows no one touched the guy……that’s just my bias I guess. To be fair, I don’t keep track of missed calls on the other side, but we weren’t out there mauling their guys anymore than they were us.
Regardless, we didn’t lose bc of the refs. We lost because we don’t have a guy that can get a bucket when everything is going against us. That’s why we need a dominant big man or guys that can get to the rim. 3 point shooting doesn’t always travel and there will be nights where we are off. A big who can score is more likely to hit on those high percentage inside shots when the rest of the team is off.

 

[Vols4us]

I just dont understand why people get mad when Barnes gets blamed for losses. Does he not coach those games? Is it the assistants turn to be in charge? Giving him credit for the wins over TX, Kansas is fine but he also needs to be held responsible for the losses to Colorado and Florida etc...

I agree. He makes $5 mill a year. It comes with the territory. He deserves great credit for lifting the program and their big wins. He and the team flunked the test last night. It's OK to say it IMO.

Playing small ball with bad outside shooting for more than half the game with nobody to stop Castleton even inserted in the lineup is not a recipe for success. Even us armchairs knew that before the game began. UF's entire O is dependent on going through and to him.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I agree. He makes $5 mill a year. It comes with the territory. He deserves great credit for lifting the program and their big wins. He and the team flunked the test last night. It's OK to say it IMO.

Playing small ball with bad outside shooting for more than half the game with nobody to stop Castleton even inserted in the lineup is not a recipe for success. Even us armchairs knew that before the game began. UF's entire O is dependent on going through and to him.

Its feast or famine. Only gritty win I recall is Maryland. I thought we'd turned a corner.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I mean it's still basketball. Alabama got blown out by OU, and there are 5 teams in the top 10 with 4 losses (including us now).

It's really going to come down to if the team is dialed in and "on" in March whether they disappoint or make a run.

 

[peaygolf]

Hope this kid balls out, and when the big boys come calling, he tells them to suck it……they hung him out to dry…..

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I agree. He makes $5 mill a year. It comes with the territory. He deserves great credit for lifting the program and their big wins. He and the team flunked the test last night. It's OK to say it IMO.

Playing small ball with bad outside shooting for more than half the game with nobody to stop Castleton even inserted in the lineup is not a recipe for success. Even us armchairs knew that before the game began. UF's entire O is dependent on going through and to him.

Nope not allowed to mention his salary either. The Barnes boys will get you.
But I agree he calls the plays, he sets the rotations. He sets the game plans. If guys aren't doing things they're supposed to it's on him to correct that. Phillips is my prime example if we need a bucket at the rim and he isn't attacking, call a play that gives him no choice. Or Scovi if he isn't shooting call plays for them.