Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[screenthis]

Bless his heart

I had to respond to that supposedly educated individual

 

[butchna]

Little Goodrich, and Stallworth all killed someone while driving drunk.

I’m aware. And that relates to Brandon Miller in some way? Maybe I missed a post.

 

[Bollweevil]

Any regular person would be charged with accessory to murder.

And still may be........

 

[butchna]

So, you're saying that the law is written in such a way that he should be held responsible for someone else's decision with the gun? That's a very dangerous slop. It sounds like it's not an interpretation of the law that the DA agrees with.



I guess that's why I'm asking for the clarification. I want accountability too. I just want the right people held accountable.

If the accountability rests on him, then I want him held accountable. If he took someone their gun when they asked for it, and that's it, then it's pretty dangerous to hold them accountable for the other person's decision just because we're afraid we're about to see them get rich.

As long as he can dribble, shut up huh? He should have sit out some game action and he hasn’t missed a second. I give a **** about him getting rich.

 

[GoBears]

a 40 point win is not a “how they should have” win. Teams don’t regularly lose by 40 points no matter who they’re playing. Gotta give the Vols more credit than that.

Well all the ticker lines stating that this was the first time in 50 years for an SEC opponent to be defeated by 40 points twice kinda say this is not usual. Good win!

 

[volbeast33]

I’m aware. And that relates to Brandon Miller in some way? Maybe I missed a post.

You must have bc the post I replied too was mentioning Ruggs and his drunk driving incident.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

You must have bc the post I replied too was mentioning Ruggs and his drunk driving incident.

Butch has me on ignore

 

[Orange_Crush]

Where did anybody say he was a criminal? He made a bad decision that resulted in a death. If the gun you transported was almost instantly used in a murder, would you have felt absolutely no responsibility? If the answer is “no” then further conversation between us is pointless…carry on.

Wait. Someone asks me to bring them a gun. I bring them their gun, not having any idea what their plan is. And you want me to take responsibility for their actions?

I would be mortified, and probably need counseling.

I do not think I would be culpable for the death. Period. Ignore me if you must.

Now, if someone texted me asking me for their gun so they could cap some hoe, and I brought them their gun, I feel I'd bear culpability. Absolutely.

You seem to be operating in a very cut/dry way, seeking answers from me and a pound of flesh from the BB player, as though all of this is settled, and his culpability is a given. I'm asking questions to see what the actual circumstances were.

Did he know there was a high likelihood of undeserved gun violence to occur? If so, then IMHO he bears culpability.

Did he think his friend was cornered in an alley outside a club and needed protection?

Was he just returning his friend's gun?

As with most things, answers to questions and statements like "would you feel responsible, and if you answer no, we're done" are a bit more dependent on the circumstances.

It's all well and good to want the pound of flesh when outcomes are sad. Just make sure the pound of flesh comes from the right people. That's where the questions should be asked.

 

[butchna]

You must have bc the post I replied too was mentioning Ruggs and his drunk driving incident.

I didn’t see the post because ignore feature…carry on.

 

[Orange_Crush]

As long as he can dribble, shut up huh?

Yah. So... Where on earth would you have taken that from my post? You're angry enough at me about this to twist my post into something I neither wrote nor meant?

I give a **** about him getting rich.

I want some accountability before he cashes in on millions. Right now there’s been none.

This is probably a good place for you and I to end the discussion. Have a blessed evening.

 

[Orange_Crush]

How would Miller know if one was in the chamber though, unless he handeled the gun?
One of the arguments ive seen is Miller never touched the gun, he got there the guys opened the back seat, and retrieved the gun themselves. That doesnt hold water with Miller knowing there is one in the chamber.

That is a very good point.

 

[butchna]

Wait. Someone asks me to bring them a gun. I bring them their gun, not having any idea what their plan is. And you want me to take responsibility for their actions?

I would be mortified, and probably need counseling.

I do not think I would be culpable for the death. Period. Ignore me if you must.

Now, if someone texted me asking me for their gun so they could cap some hoe, and I brought them their gun, I feel I'd bear culpability. Absolutely.

You seem to be operating in a very cut/dry way, seeking answers from me and a pound of flesh from the BB player, as though all of this is settled, and his culpability is a given. I'm asking questions to see what the actual circumstances were.

Did he know there was a high likelihood of undeserved gun violence to occur? If so, then IMHO he bears culpability.

Did he think his friend was cornered in an alley outside a club and needed protection?

Was he just returning his friend's gun?

As with most things, answers to questions and statements like "would you feel responsible, and if you answer no, we're done" are a bit more dependent on the circumstances.

It's all well and good to want the pound of flesh when outcomes are sad. Just make sure the pound of flesh comes from the right people. That's where the questions should be asked.

If you transported a murder weapon I’d want you to have a human reaction…like regret and guilt. So far I haven’t heard jack from Miller. Maybe he doesn’t have an internet connection. Quit with the “pound of flesh” sidetrack. Takes NOTHING to make a statement where you regret what happened. Unless he doesn’t. Then **** him. He’s not worth the typing time.

 

[Jimmy Football]

Wait. Someone asks me to bring them a gun. I bring them their gun, not having any idea what their plan is. And you want me to take responsibility for their actions?

I would be mortified, and probably need counseling.

I do not think I would be culpable for the death. Period. Ignore me if you must.

Now, if someone texted me asking me for their gun so they could cap some hoe, and I brought them their gun, I feel I'd bear culpability. Absolutely.

You seem to be operating in a very cut/dry way, seeking answers from me and a pound of flesh from the BB player, as though all of this is settled, and his culpability is a given. I'm asking questions to see what the actual circumstances were.

Did he know there was a high likelihood of undeserved gun violence to occur? If so, then IMHO he bears culpability.

Did he think his friend was cornered in an alley outside a club and needed protection?

Was he just returning his friend's gun?

As with most things, answers to questions and statements like "would you feel responsible, and if you answer no, we're done" are a bit more dependent on the circumstances.

It's all well and good to want the pound of flesh when outcomes are sad. Just make sure the pound of flesh comes from the right people. That's where the questions should be asked.

The text (allegedly) to Miller was (paraphrased): Bring me my gun; there’s someone here acting like a tough guy.

You can draw your own conclusions on whether that gave Miller enough knowledge to be complicit. I have mine.

 

[butchna]

Yah. So... Where on earth would you have taken that from my post?

This is probably a good place for you and I to end the discussion. Have a blessed evening.

You keep bringing up his NBA future and all the evildoers trying to complicate it. It’s not even relevant to what I’m talking about.

 

[butchna]

Wait. Someone asks me to bring them a gun. I bring them their gun, not having any idea what their plan is. And you want me to take responsibility for their actions?

I would be mortified, and probably need counseling.

I do not think I would be culpable for the death. Period. Ignore me if you must.

Now, if someone texted me asking me for their gun so they could cap some hoe, and I brought them their gun, I feel I'd bear culpability. Absolutely.

You seem to be operating in a very cut/dry way, seeking answers from me and a pound of flesh from the BB player, as though all of this is settled, and his culpability is a given. I'm asking questions to see what the actual circumstances were.

Did he know there was a high likelihood of undeserved gun violence to occur? If so, then IMHO he bears culpability.

Did he think his friend was cornered in an alley outside a club and needed protection?

Was he just returning his friend's gun?

As with most things, answers to questions and statements like "would you feel responsible, and if you answer no, we're done" are a bit more dependent on the circumstances.

It's all well and good to want the pound of flesh when outcomes are sad. Just make sure the pound of flesh comes from the right people. That's where the questions should be asked.

There has been no regret expressed by HIM. All he’s done is hide behind his coach and attorney.

 

[volinexile17]

So, you're saying that the law is written in such a way that he should be held responsible for someone else's decision with the gun? That's a very dangerous slop. It sounds like it's not an interpretation of the law that the DA agrees with.



I guess that's why I'm asking for the clarification. I want accountability too. I just want the right people held accountable.

If the accountability rests on him, then I want him held accountable. If he took someone their gun when they asked for it, and that's it, then it's pretty dangerous to hold them accountable for the other person's decision just because we're afraid we're about to see them get rich.

I don’t do criminal law, I’m not an Alabama lawyer, and it’s been many years since law school. However, my general recollection is that in some places there are levels of criminal liability possible for “should have known.”

You’re making a totally artificial distinction about what happened with the gun after it left his possession. It’s not like he took it to someone’s house who innocently asked for it, and it was used weeks later. It was used in a murder shortly after he dropped it off in the middle of the night at a club. He absolutely knew that the gun being fired was a possibility.

Separate of his criminal liability, I have no doubt that he’s looking at a civil claim or lawsuit that could easily cost him millions of dollars.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You keep bringing up his NBA future and all the evildoers trying to complicate it. It’s not even relevant to what I’m talking about.

See my update. You're the one that said:

I want some accountability before he cashes in on millions.

I brought up his NBA future because it's a pretty big deal and it felt like I was reading a narrative wanting his future destroyed because of all of this, and I wanted to know what the facts of the matter were so I could get an idea of whether I felt such punishment would fit the crime. If you never said that then keep reading. It wasn't about you.

I never called anyone an evildoer for wanting to end it. I asked questions to try to understand if he'd done something to deserve having his life destroyed.

See, that's twice that you've basically lied about what I have said. The first was.

As long as he can dribble, shut up huh?

The second was just now:

You keep bringing up his NBA future and all the evildoers trying to complicate it.

Again, I was asking questions to see if I would disagree or agree with the folks wanting to see his career ended before it began. I made no moral statements about them.

You really should step back if you're upset enough to be that intellectually dishonest in dialog. Whether you want to step back or not, I will, as it's a waste of time to discuss this with someone wanting to do so in that way.

I'll bid you again to a blessed evening.

 

[Govolsman98]

Anyone catch the latest Dilbert?

 

[Orange_Crush]

The text (allegedly) to Miller was (paraphrased): Bring me my gun; there’s someone here acting like a tough guy.

You can draw your own conclusions on whether that gave Miller enough knowledge to be complicit. I have mine.

If that's the case, I would likely see him as complicit and would probably support indictment.

That aside, as stated earlier, just from his apparent attitude and tone deafness, it wouldn't hurt my feelings in the least to see the NBA leave him out with him going undrafted and pumping gas next year.

 

[Christian Lowe]

 

[Jimmy Football]

If that's the case, I would likely see him as complicit and would probably support indictment.

That aside, as stated earlier, just from his apparent attitude and tone deafness, it wouldn't hurt my feelings in the least to see the NBA leave him out with him go undrafted and pumping gas next year.

We’ll see how it plays out. I’m open to the idea that information in the murder trial of the other two clears his name. Maybe there’s stuff that the DA knows that we don’t, and that’s why they didn’t charge him. But from the outside, it looks fishy to me.

 

[jave36]

Point taken. The pat down pregame was definitely tone deaf.

Did the friend text him, "Bring me my gun. I'm going to cap someone's ***!"? My brother left his gun in my car before. I got a call, "Hey! I left my pistol in your car. Can you bring it to me?"

The shooting after the fact seems beside the point unless the text said he was wanting it to commit a crime. I'm nervous if the law moves into the area that forces us to read people's minds and predict future actions/motives.

So again... Are we outraged and wanting a young man's future destroyed because we feel he did something wrong, or because he's a Bama basketball player and stupid sports rivalries cause enough irrational hate to want someone's future destroyed for things we'd be arguing in favor of our kids if our kids were in the same aituation?

Good post. As always, more info is needed. If all he did was return someone's gun to them with no knowledge what he planned to do with it (if he had even planned to murder, guessing it was a spur of the moment thing), there isn't really anything worth curcifying him for.

 

[volbeast33]

The text (allegedly) to Miller was (paraphrased): Bring me my gun; there’s someone here acting like a tough guy.

You can draw your own conclusions on whether that gave Miller enough knowledge to be complicit. I have mine.

Link? I haven’t seen that in the articles I have read….there seems to be a lot of made up info on social media that’s just not true.

 

[jave36]

Where did anybody say he was a criminal? He made a bad decision that resulted in a death. If the gun you transported was almost instantly used in a murder, would you have felt absolutely no responsibility? If the answer is “no” then further conversation between us is pointless…carry on.

How is returning someone's property to them a bad decision? Based on available info, that's all we know for sure happened.

 

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