Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[VolGee4]

To clear from that distance, it seems to me it definitely had to go over that imaginary tunnel. Don’t you think so?

I think it was a possibility, but I needed to see another angle. As long as the official knew the rule, he had a great angle.

Edit: I found a video, and I definitely think there is a case that it was a legal shot.

 

[lfvol]

I think it was a possibility, but I needed to see another angle. As long as the official knew the rule, he had a great angle.

Edit: I found a video, and I definitely think there is a case that it was a legal shot.

The imagination and talent to make it under those circumstances was something. Thanks for researching it.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Okay
Okay
Okay
I have tried to just scroll on past, but I just can’t do it…

That’s what she said

Literally that’s what @SweetasSoda said, so technically my post isn’t insulting at all…

No offense @SweetasSoda , not trying to impugn your integrity… I just couldn’t resist.

That’s what I get for taking a break! I’ve forgotten how to analyze everything before posting lol.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Is that the full extent of it? I saw quotes from Saban advocating that the officials should not set the ball immediately on first downs and the defense be permitted to substitute. That Saban proposal was specifically aimed at us. It's a big part of our offense and everyone who wrote about it (except some dishonest Bama sites) specifically noted that it is specifically intended to hurt Tennessee. You know, the team that dropped 52 on Saban. @SweetasSoda

Edit: Even the rule you mention is not unrelated to his fear of our offense. Word is (confirmed by his OC choice and focus on TEs) that Saban intends to imitate Kirby. He aims to burn as much clock as possible to limit our number of possessions. Running the clock after first downs is part of his scheme to stop us. But making a rule that we can't snap after a first down until he substitutes whether we substitute or not is flagrantly an attempt to stop in the rules office what he couldn't stop in the field.

LSU couldn't stop it either. That's the tie-in with disco boy.

I remember Saban advocating for that and was afraid he got his way as usual is the reason I asked. And, of course, disco boy didn’t like our offense either.

 

[volbeast33]

Is Miami gonna be an "it" school again?

With Ruiz….. yeah

 

[volbeast33]

ive never assumed to be an artist. and if I were I wouldnt draw am 18 yo kid.

Seems pretty harmless to me….. now if he sends it with a love letter to Nico….

 

[bignewt]

Let’s see your iPad drawing

Shoulda been an etch a sketch.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

It’s a Line of Scrimmage league.

We’ve generally been a good running team since Heupel installed his offense on The Hill. In 2021 we had the 12th best rushing offense in the nation; Even though we earned a lot more real estate with the pass in 2022 compared to 2021 our run offense still checked in as 26th best in all of FBS. For comparison, Pittsburgh's "I only want to run the ball" Narduzzi ended up with the 42nd best rushing attack in 2022. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. lol.

This past year our offensive line improved a lot in pass blocking, giving up 27 sacks compared to 44 in 2021. Heupel also set a goal for us to improve on short yardage situations (Power Success Rate); We improved from 79th in the nation to 11th best. (Kudos Josh. You the Man!). We still have room to improve pass protection, especially on passing downs, but if we’re going deep that’s a lot of time to hold off Georgia’s pass rush (6 sacks against us). You win some, you lose some. Sometimes maybe you just have to take your chances. jmo.

On defense in 2021 we just pinned our ears back and attacked the backfield. We set a school record in TFLs but weren’t very disciplined about maintaining our rush lanes so opposing QBs were having career rushing stats against us. We were 7th in the nation in 2021 in TFL/game and only dropped to 14th in 2022 but our rushing yards per game on defense improved from #60 to #21 and rushing yards/attempt improved from #36 to #11. We cut down the number of rushing TDs allowed by 9, going from 24 rushing TDs given up in 2021 to 15 in 2022. (side note: as noted yesterday, if we can do the same with our pass defense we’ll be formidable on both sides of the ball. We did cut down passing TDs surrendered from 23 in 2021 to 21 in 2022).

I think the center may be the most important player on the OLine. He is the QB of the line and if he has the respect of his fellow linemen and can lead and hold his teammates accountable then we should be okay. He has to know the offense as well as the QB. It’s up to him to make sure guys know who, when, where, how, to execute his line calls. It’s just my opinion but I think Cooper does a pretty good job. As long as we have a well trained center with the hard skills of the position and the soft skills of management I think our OLine will be fine. The key is appreciating the immense value in the soft skills required at the position. In our case having Cooper makes everyone else on the offensive line better. jmo.

I’m not normally too concerned about losing guys from year to year. I do take note of who we have to replace. Last year on offense it was Tiyon Evans, Velus Jones, and Cade Mays. We did pretty good, even ended up with the #1 offense in the country. On defense we had to replace Alontae Taylor, Matt Butler, and Theo Jackson. We improved our scoring defense from #90 to #36 in FBS. I think this year we’ll likely continue to improve on the defensive line as we give more playing time to some of our younger more talented players, and owing to those younger more talented guys on the line I think this year we could have the best pass rush of Heupel's tenure with our team. jmo.

Spoiler: Chart Definitions

Run-blocking stats

Average Line Yards: The line gets credit for rushing yardage between 0-3 yards and 50% credit for yards 4-8. Anything over 8 yards is quantified as a highlight opportunity, and credit goes to the runner. Lost yardage counts for 125%. (Garbage time is filtered out for all line yardage averages.)

Standard Downs Line Yards per Carry: The raw, unadjusted per-carry line yardage for a team on standard downs (first down, second-and-7 or fewer, third-and-4 or fewer, fourth-and-4 or fewer).

Passing Downs Line Yards per Carry: The same unadjusted averages for rushing on passing downs (i.e. non-standard downs/behind the chains).

Opportunity Rate: The percentage of carries (when four yards are available) that gain at least four yards, i.e. the percentage of carries in which the line does its job, so to speak.

Power Success Rate: Percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown.

Stuff Rate: Percentage of carries by running backs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

Pass-blocking stats

Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for all non-garbage time pass attempts.

Standard Downs Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for standard downs pass attempts.

Passing Downs Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for passing downs pass attempts.

Here are our 2023 rosters for OL & DL.

Spoiler: 2023 Defensive Linemen

It looks like 14 of of the 19 scholarship DLinemen we have were rated as blue chip players by one or more of the evaluation services.

Spoiler: 2023 Offensive Linemen

I included Parker Ball on the OL even though I think he's a walk-on but according to PFF he played 107 snaps last year. Dayne Davis played 131 snaps last year according to PFF.

9 of our scholarship offensive linemen were rated as blue chip players by one or more of the evaluation services.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Seems pretty harmless to me….. now if he sends it with a love letter to Nico….

Sab?

 

[engineerVOL]

Shoulda been an etch a sketch.

The only thing @Jackcrevol can draw is a sigh

 

[Jackcrevol]

The only thing @Jackcrevol can draw is a sigh

absolutely. thankfully my children are the artists.

 

[drvenner]

Let’s see your iPad drawing

Does he blast his work on Twitter and call it a legit edit?

 

[Kristy*]

That’s what I get for taking a break! I’ve forgotten how to analyze everything before posting lol.

 

[volbeast33]

 

[butchna]

What are the new clock rules Kelly gave his opinion on? Is this something that will hurt Tennessee’s offense?

The clock not stopping after first downs and after out of bounds.

 

[Orange.]

The clock not stopping after first downs and after out of bounds.

I see what has happened. Apparently the so-called "Saban rule" that would not let our offense snap the ball in less than 10 seconds and would require that Saban's defense be allowed to substitute whether our offense did or not has apparently been tabled for a year. It may have been met with adequate resistance. But these minor rules are now being mislabeled as "Saban's" rule changes. Is this to confuse the issue? Saban's rule was always the major change I mentioned. Just naming it "Saban's rule" (which Spurrier did the last time Saban attempted this) helped to defeat it because it helped bring to light Saban's motivation. Are these falsely-named and minor "Saban" rules to be deemed as a success at the end of a year, and the stigma of the real "Saban" rule to be diminished to make it easier to pass next year?

At any rate, the state of journalism is so bad I can't find an article that tells what happened with the real "Saban rule" -- i.e., guaranteed substitutions for defense and banning quick snaps. All I see are articles misstating these minor rules as if that's what Saban's proposal was.

These little rules will cut a few plays a game. But that's not the endgame.

When I see something that says, for example, that disco boy at LSU endorses Saban's changes, it's massively ambiguous and amounts to misleading readers.

Does anyone know if the real "Saban rule" was tabled and how? I can find info about Saban's previous attempt but this one seems to be left out of the stories.

 

[captainfalcon777]

Lmao...this dude gonna act like there's coaching in the NBA....and talk about shot making when there is zero evidence of defense being played in the pros. Comments like this kill me.

You must not watch the NBA lol

 

[Weezer]

Is Miami gonna be an "it" school again?

Tennessee is the "it" school. Miami is the sh"it" school.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

It’s a Line of Scrimmage league.

We’ve generally been a good running team since Heupel installed his offense on The Hill. In 2021 we had the 12th best rushing offense in the nation; Even though we earned a lot more real estate with the pass in 2022 compared to 2021 our run offense still checked in as 26th best in all of FBS. For comparison, Pittsburgh's "I only want to run the ball" Narduzzi ended up with the 42nd best rushing attack in 2022. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. lol.

This past year our offensive line improved a lot in pass blocking, giving up 27 sacks compared to 44 in 2021. Heupel also set a goal for us to improve on short yardage situations (Power Success Rate); We improved from 79th in the nation to 11th best. (Kudos Josh. You the Man!). We still have room to improve pass protection, especially on passing downs, but if we’re going deep that’s a lot of time to hold off Georgia’s pass rush (6 sacks against us). You win some, you lose some. Sometimes maybe you just have to take your chances. jmo.

On defense in 2021 we just pinned our ears back and attacked the backfield. We set a school record in TFLs but weren’t very disciplined about maintaining our rush lanes so opposing QBs were having career rushing stats against us. We were 7th in the nation in 2021 in TFL/game and only dropped to 14th in 2022 but our rushing yards per game on defense improved from #60 to #21 and rushing yards/attempt improved from #36 to #11. We cut down the number of rushing TDs allowed by 9, going from 24 rushing TDs given up in 2021 to 15 in 2022. (side note: as noted yesterday, if we can do the same with our pass defense we’ll be formidable on both sides of the ball. We did cut down passing TDs surrendered from 23 in 2021 to 21 in 2022).

I think the center may be the most important player on the OLine. He is the QB of the line and if he has the respect of his fellow linemen and can lead and hold his teammates accountable then we should be okay. He has to know the offense as well as the QB. It’s up to him to make sure guys know who, when, where, how, to execute his line calls. It’s just my opinion but I think Cooper does a pretty good job. As long as we have a well trained center with the hard skills of the position and the soft skills of management I think our OLine will be fine. The key is appreciating the immense value in the soft skills required at the position. In our case having Cooper makes everyone else on the offensive line better. jmo.

I’m not normally too concerned about losing guys from year to year. I do take note of who we have to replace. Last year on offense it was Tiyon Evans, Velus Jones, and Cade Mays. We did pretty good, even ended up with the #1 offense in the country. On defense we had to replace Alontae Taylor, Matt Butler, and Theo Jackson. We improved our scoring defense from #90 to #36 in FBS. I think this year we’ll likely continue to improve on the defensive line as we give more playing time to some of our younger more talented players, and owing to those younger more talented guys on the line I think this year we could have the best pass rush of Heupel's tenure with our team. jmo.

Spoiler: Chart Definitions

Run-blocking stats

Average Line Yards: The line gets credit for rushing yardage between 0-3 yards and 50% credit for yards 4-8. Anything over 8 yards is quantified as a highlight opportunity, and credit goes to the runner. Lost yardage counts for 125%. (Garbage time is filtered out for all line yardage averages.)

Standard Downs Line Yards per Carry: The raw, unadjusted per-carry line yardage for a team on standard downs (first down, second-and-7 or fewer, third-and-4 or fewer, fourth-and-4 or fewer).

Passing Downs Line Yards per Carry: The same unadjusted averages for rushing on passing downs (i.e. non-standard downs/behind the chains).

Opportunity Rate: The percentage of carries (when four yards are available) that gain at least four yards, i.e. the percentage of carries in which the line does its job, so to speak.

Power Success Rate: Percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown.

Stuff Rate: Percentage of carries by running backs that are stopped at or before the line of scrimmage.

Pass-blocking stats

Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for all non-garbage time pass attempts.

Standard Downs Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for standard downs pass attempts.

Passing Downs Sack Rate: Unadjusted sack rate for passing downs pass attempts.

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Here are our 2023 rosters for OL & DL.

Spoiler: 2023 Defensive Linemen

It looks like 14 of of the 19 scholarship DLinemen we have were rated as blue chip players by one or more of the evaluation services.

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Spoiler: 2023 Offensive Linemen

I included Parker Ball on the OL even though I think he's a walk-on but according to PFF he played 107 snaps last year. Dayne Davis played 131 snaps last year according to PFF.

9 of our scholarship offensive linemen were rated as blue chip players by one or more of the evaluation services.

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We are very old and experienced.

At defensive line we are very old experienced and talented now.

We are going to be a problem again.

 

[SoilVol]

We are very old and experienced.

At defensive line we are very old experienced and talented now.

We are going to be a problem again.

"I'll take, 'Things Said By The Old Ladies At The Bar' for $500, Alex."

 

[Orange.]

Sorry that was disorganized but I'm distracted with something else and tired. Anyway I found this. Nick Saban Wants Rule Change That Offsets High Tempo Offenses | Rocky Top Insider

Also is this quote even true?

"The way it used to be, the [official] would spot the ball and you couldn’t snap the ball [immediately],” Saban told Dellenger.

Or was it simply that no one did it until end of game situations? Balls have never stopped being spotted. I think Saban is deliberately misleading a reporter who doesn't fact check.

Edit: Also note Saban's example of what is bad is someone who snaps "in 7 seconds." But we are the only team that snaps that fast.

 

[SweetasSoda]

My husband thought it was funny lol.

 

[SweetasSoda]

The clock not stopping after first downs and after out of bounds.

Why are they trying to make the games shorter?

 

[SweetasSoda]

I see what has happened. Apparently the so-called "Saban rule" that would not let our offense snap the ball in less than 10 seconds and would require that Saban's defense be allowed to substitute whether our offense did or not has apparently been tabled for a year. It may have been met with adequate resistance. But these minor rules are now being mislabeled as "Saban's" rule changes. Is this to confuse the issue? Saban's rule was always the major change I mentioned. Just naming it "Saban's rule" (which Spurrier did the last time Saban attempted this) helped to defeat it because it helped bring to light Saban's motivation. Are these falsely-named and minor "Saban" rules to be deemed as a success at the end of a year, and the stigma of the real "Saban" rule to be diminished to make it easier to pass next year?

At any rate, the state of journalism is so bad I can't find an article that tells what happened with the real "Saban rule" -- i.e., guaranteed substitutions for defense and banning quick snaps. All I see are articles misstating these minor rules as if that's what Saban's proposal was.

These little rules will cut a few plays a game. But that's not the endgame.

When I see something that says, for example, that disco boy at LSU endorses Saban's changes, it's massively ambiguous and amounts to misleading readers.

Does anyone know if the real "Saban rule" was tabled and how? I can find info about Saban's previous attempt but this one seems to be left out of the stories.

hmmmmm

 

[SweetasSoda]

We are very old and experienced.

At defensive line we are very old experienced and talented now.

We are going to be a problem again.