Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[Orange.]

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It was amazing (not in a good way) to see GA send fixers in and get the writer on the systemic coverup of sexual abuse and rape at GA fired from the AJC. The AJC must have been threatened by advertisers and worked by city and state officials to fold like that. There is no way the editors and probably even someone from the publishing office did not review the articles before they were printed. They all stayed.

The smear job they did on the reporter consisted in only two facts, according to the AJC's own article. (1) The reporter combines two quotes into one in a way that did not affect the substance of the quotes. And (2) the exact number of 11 incidents was not establish beyond doubt. But whether 5 or 11 or 17 makes no difference to the substance of the case that there was repeated and systemic corruption and fixing.

In fact, shutting down the AJC appears to be yet another instance of fixing. The original articles pointed out that UGA used attorneys as fixers. In the AJC's review, UGA's lawyers joined the editorial review.

The sleight of hand was to replace the issue of system and repeated fixing with the red herring of the exact number 11, which was impertinent. One might even just as well doubt that there were that few instances to be uncovered if the investigation continued. The other sleight of hand was the AJC cancelling the entire project. That is again a sleight of hand: it could be carried on by other means. One suspects that the AJC management wanted the investigation stopped as well. Funny that it was announced the day after Kirby spoke at the SEC Meeting when he could have been questioned on the issue by journalists from elsewhere. Was it a coincidence that the subject of moving the SEC Championship game from Atlanta arose at the same meeting? Was that a bargaining chip? If so the AJC likely already agreed to keep their "investigation" silent until after Kirby spoke.

It was amazing that so many people simply bought the new revised story and jumped on the bandwagon of blaming "journalistic malpractice" without thinking it through. It seems to me completely immoderate and one-sided to quickly seize on the AJCs new story, and without even impartially considering, at the least, the import of the two facts I mention in my second paragraph. Those are the AJC's only facts cited in their own article "explaining" why the reporter was fired, without explaining why none of the editors or representatives of management were fired. Now, so-called fact checks being so essential to propaganda, perhaps there is another thing they might fault the report with, now held in reserve. But all we have is the AJC's own news story about their about-face. One would not be surprised to find out, just in case anyone were ever to attempt to look into the matter, that all of the reporters notes at home and in the office were seized by the attorneys as work product and would prevent anyone from examining them. Which is what a fixer would do. Who is to say they would not lose some of them or make additions? But maybe it wasn't exactly 11 instances is crazy bizarre.

Are they suggesting that 10 rapes and assaults or maybe 7 was ok, but 11 was over the line? I guess no one is supposed to read the AJC article with care and consider its details.

 

[KptVFL]

That is a cool story!
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[therickbol]

Yes. They were in Central. It was not that the work load or the level of work was too much for them. It is that from the moment they walked through the door, they were bombarded with college, ACT, and scholarships. That is what Central prides itself on. How many of their kids go you Harvard, Yale, etc. How many of their kids get perfect or near perfect ACT scores. How much scholarship money their kids get offered and accept every year. Those are all great things, but if it comes at the cost of my child's mental health and well being then we have a problem. The motto at Central is "My best.", but my girls felt like there were days when their best was pretty darn good but still didn't feel good enough.

I say all that to say this. You will have to decide what is best for your children. Are they the type the excel in that environment or are they the type that will never feel they are doing well enough. Maybe try it out for a year or two. You can always explore other options if it isn't a good fit. If you want more insights I would glad to offer our experience in more detail.

And that doesn't take into amount the "environment" at Central Magnet. We get a couple of kids each year transfer to us. They used to mostly be for the same reason you are stating. The stress level it put the kids under was too much and they wanted a more normal childhood. But now we get them leaving Central for the over the top liberal agenda of the school. It's to be expected in some form at a Magnet school. But it is way over the top. We had one parent pull their child out and put them in a local private school after only 4 weeks. When you have litter boxes in the school for the students then we might need to re-evaluate what we are doing. Just my opinion.

 

[DawgInterloper]

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This offseason reminds me of 2008, prior to Stafford's last season in Athens. They were highly ranked in pre-season, I believe maybe it was #1 in the country. As the spring and summer wore on there were a series of traffic fines, underage drinking, arrest for open container, arrest for popping firecrackers, and other small things that just kept adding up. I finally had an epiphany that there was very little chance of them living up to that high ranking because the team were acting like normal college males instead of guys with a near term lofty goal.

 

[franklinpence]

When my two were little, I used to play Beethoven's Fifth and let them jump on their beds to that music (only) and at no other time. They love that First Movement to this day.

Haha. And then there’s me who was driving my 10, 8, & 6 year old to day camp yesterday, introducing them to Black Sabbath’s album Paranoid.

They also like Nirvana, Brahms Violin Concerto, some Dave Brubeck, Pavement, Rachmaninov, Mozart, and a lot of random Jazz/Rock bands from the 1990s and 2000s out of Chicago. A lot of folks from the Thrill Jockey label on our playlist.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

Bray was a mental head case and a horrible leader at UT. That’s why he never made it in the pro’s. GBO!

I don’t remember any negative stuff about Bray after he was in the NFL. I could be wrong though.

 

[headhunter15]

He has to think Tennessee doesn’t make it out of the Swamp or loses to A&M…

I think Tennessee handles this Florida team, and I don’t trust Jimbo.

 

[knoxvol52]

Haha. And then there’s me who was driving my 10, 8, & 6 year old to day camp yesterday, introducing them to Black Sabbath’s album Paranoid.

They also like Nirvana, Brahms Violin Concerto, some Dave Brubeck, Pavement, Rachmaninov, Mozart, and a lot of random Jazz/Rock bands from the 1990s and 2000s out of Chicago. A lot of folks from the Thrill Jockey label on our playlist.

6 year old granddaughter walks around sings Pussycat dolls songs all day I hear Don't ya wish your girlfriend was hot like meabout 10 times in a normal visit...

 

[franklinpence]

Born and raised in Tennessee sir haven't seen a rule book that states to be a Vol fan you can't be a fan of Professional teams outside of Tennessee but I will double check the rulebook...

Vol Code Section 52.49, item 16p subsections 32.45-49, lines 61-62 & 91-92. You’ll find what you’re looking for there.

 

[UTProf]

I don’t remember any negative stuff about Bray after he was in the NFL. I could be wrong though.

He was never that bad here. He just played for a bad team and the screw ups that he did make that were self-inflicted made him an easy target for fans. But let's be honest, throat slashes and beer bottle tossing are childish but very minor college kid bad behaviors.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

He has to think Tennessee doesn’t make it out of the Swamp or loses to A&M…

I think Tennessee handles this Florida team, and I don’t trust Jimbo.

We're not losing this year.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

He was never that bad here. He just played for a bad team and the screw ups that he did make that were self-inflicted made him an easy target for fans. But let's be honest, throat slashes and beer bottle tossing are childish but very minor college kid bad behaviors.

He was definitely a knucklehead in college.

 

[knoxvol52]

Vol Code Section 52.49, item 16p subsections 32.45-49, lines 61-62 & 91-92. You’ll find what you’re looking for there.

 

[GroverCleveland]

What part? I have spent a lot of time in the bootheel, Rolla and Houston (no exactly garden spots). Dad coached one of the 68 state champs in basketball

Spent some in the bootheel as well. St. Mathews, Senath, Cape Girardeau...

 

[UTProf]

So I’ve been curious—what department are you in if you don’t mind saying? I assume you still teach at UT anyway.

I haven't been in academia for a while. At one point it was just a sabbatical but I've had other jobs and been a caregiver for too long. I'd love to go back regardless of where (a lot of people in higher ed don't like teaching but I did love it - loved it along with research) but too many connections are gone now. The professors that were my link were all older - well past standard retirement age even when I was a grad student. A few boomers but more than a few from the Silent Generation or older and sadly a good portion are gone now. Had my mentor not passed, I think things would be different but he's gone now and so are most of my links. UT has an annual event named after him and I'd prefer not to say what dept. because I have taught athletes that everyone on this board knows.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Me too. 1964

Kansas City, 1962.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Then the school is actually managing NIL which looks like an employee. I think that opens them up to more issues personally.

NOPE. NCAA is a clearinghouse for players and schools. Kid reports deals to NCAA and can ask if his deal fits under a school cap and school can ask if kids current deal fits under their cap before approval of acceptance of the hit. Schools will REMAIN unable to provide NIL funds directly. Can’t allow participation to become a requirement for NIL earnings.

NIL DOLLARS and schollys both established and tracked by NCAA. No new moving parts. A few more clerks for database.

Player would have to Ck with school to see if he can still play for them if he gets a different deal, if not he can take his NIL elsewhere via the portal.

 

[UTProf]

He was definitely a knucklehead in college.

Yeah but he he was treated on the level of someone far worse than what he was. He was stupid but not like a lot of guys who get in real trouble. His was stupid kid trouble.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

Yeah but he he was treated on the level of someone far worse than what he was. He was stupid but not like a lot of guys who get in real trouble. His was stupid kid trouble.

Being older and out college when Bray played, I never thought his antics were all that crazy. Just stupid. I don’t remember malicious things, just dumbass things.

 

[Govolsman98]

He has to think Tennessee doesn’t make it out of the Swamp or loses to A&M…

I think Tennessee handles this Florida team, and I don’t trust Jimbo.

Pretty sure he expects us to lose to Austin Peay

 

[Big Orange#1]

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He’s being suspended for the first quarter of Ball State AND the post game drag race

 

[DawgInterloper]

It was amazing (not in a good way) to see GA send fixers in and get the writer on the systemic coverup of sexual abuse and rape at GA fired from the AJC. The AJC must have been threatened by advertisers and worked by city and state officials to fold like that. There is no way the editors and probably even someone from the publishing office did not review the articles before they were printed. They all stayed.

The smear job they did on the reporter consisted in only two facts, according to the AJC's own article. (1) The reporter combines two quotes into one in a way that did not affect the substance of the quotes. And (2) the exact number of 11 incidents was not establish beyond doubt. But whether 5 or 11 or 17 makes no difference to the substance of the case that there was repeated and systemic corruption and fixing. In fact, shutting down the AJC was yet another instance of fixing. The original articles pointed out that UGA used attorneys as fixers. In the AJC review the editorial staff GA's lawyers joined the editorial review. The sleight of hand was to replace the issue of system and repeated fixing with the red herring of the exact number 11, which was impertinent. One doubts there were that few instances to be uncovered if the investigation continued. The other sleight of hand was the AJC cancelling the entire project. That is again a sleight of hand: it could be carried on by other means. One suspects that the AJC management wanted the investigation stopped as well. Funny that it was announce the day after Kirby spoke at the SEC Meeting when he could not be questioned on the issue by journalists from elsewhere. Was it a coincidence that the subject of moving the SEC Championship game from Atlanta arose at the same meeting? Was that a bargaining chip?

Your board, your facts, so I'll just say this and stay out of the fray. This apparently wasn't this writer's first time having issues. According to what's been reported recently, he resigned from the Louisville Courier Journal in 1988 after the paper did an investigation of multiple articles and ended up apologizing to their readers. You can find some of the details and statements from that episode in an article on the UGA Rivals site and in articles linked and quoted on the 247 UGA message board, if you're interested.

Maybe more facts will be forthcoming from these AJC stories later. I definitely don't believe the AJC kowtows to UGA because they never have before; if anything the relationship has been adversarial for decades. The articles published during the last 6 months led with sensationalism and lacked in details to back it up, IMO. Other "journalists" and pundits have noted the same, including a very eloquent video by Josh Pate and an editorial in the Washington Post.

 

[Model12]

Spent some in the bootheel as well. St. Mathews, Senath, Cape Girardeau...

St Mathews or Matthews? My dad coached at Matthews High. We lived in the Xanadu of East Prairie

 

[franklinpence]

And maybe update the eastern concourse bathrooms to something more modern than a horse trough. Plus my wife, who is only about 5'6" 5'7" said that when you stand up in a stall in the women's bathroom the stall walls only come to just below her shoulders so you can basically see errything your neighbors are doing in their stall. Imagine some 6' or taller lady getting the birds eye view of the whole dang bathroom.

Bathrooms for the plebs will be last on the list. We’ll have our troughs, and we’ll like it, by God.

 

[DarthVol1]

NOPE. NCAA is a clearinghouse for players and schools. Kid reports deals to NCAA and can ask if his deal fits under a school cap and school can ask if kids current deal fits under their cap before approval of acceptance of the hit. Schools will REMAIN unable to provide NIL funds directly. Can’t allow participation to become a requirement for NIL earnings.

NIL DOLLARS and schollys both established and tracked by NCAA. No new moving parts. A few more clerks for database.

Player would have to Ck with school to see if he can still play for them if he gets a different deal, if not he can take his NIL elsewhere via the portal.

Anything like this will be turned into the athletes becoming university employees. I won't be surprised if that happens via a law suit before any NIL legislation sees the light of day. And the the #%@$ will really hit the fan for the schools. Wait until they have to lay off professors because the school can't afford them and the women's basketball team. This talk about NIL legislation goes way beyond the football and men's basketball teams because of Title IX when you get in the legal weeds.