Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

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itsme said:
My last post on this.

This is video of the World Series from 1952. The speed looks like pitchers from a home run derby in today's MLB. Now imagine if you will, hitter's from 70's-today facing slower pitching speeds in the beginning of baseball in the late 1800's and early 1900's. They are Hall of Famers.

What would Reggie do in the NFL in the 1920's, 1930's, 1940's, 1950's, 2020's? He would destroy everyone. Imagine him playing against a 220 offensive lineman.

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I never claimed that a player from 70's on couldn't go back, you're just making stuff up. It would be much harder for players from back then to play now. They wouldn't be the best now days. Hall of Famers would be ok players today, not great ones.
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Youre both making assertions but only one dude is being a prick about it
 
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Hot take: AP got it right in their preseason poll for the Vols

I might put them in the top 10, but I like being just outside - I think that's best for the program, and is probably a fair assessment when you consider the guys lost to the draft, some of the roster issues we're still working through (e.g., OL, TE) and breaking in an unproven QB (Milton).

I'm also very optimistic we'll end the year ranked higher than #12

Time will tell...
 
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UpstateVol613 said:
Should have signed with TN.


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Strange. It never occurred to him that he didn't make any money off a movie about him that netted over 300 million dollars?

Also, it is my understanding that all conservatorships must be court ordered. It should not be possible for the family to just swindle him without making an explicit case for why he needs one to a judge in a court.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
Season preview –

I’ve looked at conference teams and our OOC opponents (less APSU) in regards to staff and position groups and the table below identifies continuity in HC, OC, QB, and DC. All of the teams listed are dealing with some turnover in the various position groups but I’m only listing the QB as that is generally considered the most important position on a team.

The * indicates that it’s not always cut and dry. For example, we have a returning OC and QB, for the most part. Florida doesn’t have a returning DC but Armstrong worked for the previous DC and for Napier so the system is not expected to change much but Austin doesn’t have any coaching experience at this level so he’s a N with an *. Liam Coen is returning to Kentucky as the OC, a position he held there in 2021, so he’s a Y but since he wasn’t there last year he gets an *. Steele previously worked for Saban at Alabama but that was a long time ago and I'd question his familiarity with his roster, so an N with an *. Swann at Vandy, Joe with us, Weigman at A&M, are all QBs that have started multiple games with their team and are expected to start this year. They were not QB1 last year for the season so they get Y with an *. Jim Mora at UConn fired his DC and he will be both the HC and DC this year so as the DC he gets a N with an *. His former DC is now an analyst on Kiffin’s staff. Zach Arnett was promoted to HC from DC at MSU so he's an N with an *. Bobo at Georgia was an analyst under Monken last year but that doesn't get him a Y, only an N with an *. jmo.

As previously noted I’m using a model based off of SP+ ratings to create my own measure of schedule strength. It divides opponent teams in to 4 groups based on how good on paper they’re expected to be this year and each group has a point value. I just total up the points and the more points the harder the schedule as it implies you are playing more teams that are highly rated. I think using this approach there’s less skew from individual ratings (which are seldom all that exact in the preseason). This measure suggests that Florida has the hardest schedule of the teams listed followed by Alabama and South Carolina. LSU is a close 4th. Those 4 teams each will face what my use of the SP+ ratings consider 9 quality opponents.

I included the 2022 season performance for offense and defense along with the projected performance for each unit in 2023. For me it allows me to ask questions, like, Alabama lost their OC and a Heisman winning QB who was also a #1 NFL draft pick. Is it really rational to think they’ll be better on offense this year? I think it's possible but also very reasonable to be skeptical. There are similar questions to ask about other teams, including us and including Georgia, among others. Different people may come up with different answers. I think we’ll likely be as good or better and Georgia will likely have a drop off. That’s just my opinion after crawling through the weeds. YMMV.

Speaking of Alabama, it's widely expected that Saban is going back to a run oriented offense this season. There is at least some sense on our side that we may end up with the No. 1 rushing defense in the conference this year. If that's the way things work out then the only question we face is will Alabama be able to contain our passing attack when we visit? I sorta don't think so. jmo.

One last note on Alabama. Since the spring I've been increasingly convinced that we have what likely would've been Alabama's starting QB this year as our backup QB. I think that's why Saban fought so hard trying to get Nico to Tuscaloosa. Heupel getting Nico to Tennessee was a Keyser Söze move. jmo.

The table is sorted on 2023 offensive scoring projections according to Bill Connelly’s SP+ model. I chose this sort because it highlights the projected strength of our team vs everybody else so while there is I think integrity in my reporting and analysis, I'm not in any way suggesting that I am unbiased. TIFWIW. lol.

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what gives on TAMU Defense? That stout?
 
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Ten_Titans said:
Strange. It never occurred to him that he didn't make any money off a movie about him that netted over 300 million dollars?

Also, it is my understanding that all conservatorships must be court ordered. It should not be possible for the family to just swindle him without making an explicit case for why he needs one to a judge in a court.
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It did occur to him, but it all happened early in his NFL career so he didn't have time to investigate the situation. He just recently hired a lawyer after he retired. The movie also hurt his pro career because they depicted him as stupid and slow, but he was/is actually very intelligent. He never had academic issues. Teams passed on him or looked over him in free agency because they thought he was dumber than rocks.

The Touhy's made millions off of him and lied to a foster kid about adopting him. They're sick people.

Literally the whole NCAA investigation during the movie: the investigators were right in that depiction. This rich family of Ole Miss boosters picked a kid up off the street that had athletic potential and directed him toward their alma mater for their fandom and personal financial gain.
 
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SugarCC said:
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SoilVol said:
The movie also hurt his pro career because they depicted him as stupid and slow, but he was/is actually very intelligent. He never had academic issues. Teams passed on him or looked over him in free agency because they thought he was dumber than rocks.
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Good luck ever proving that. That's a grade A load of BS.
 
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SoilVol said:
It did occur to him, but it all happened early in his NFL career so he didn't have time to investigate the situation. He just recently hired a lawyer after he retired. The movie also hurt his pro career because they depicted him as stupid and slow, but he was/is actually very intelligent. He never had academic issues. Teams passed on him or looked over him in free agency because they thought he was dumber than rocks.

The Touhy's made millions off of him and lied to a foster kid about adopting him. They're sick people.

Literally the whole NCAA investigation during the movie: the investigators were right in that depiction. This rich family of Ole Miss boosters picked a kid up off the street that had athletic potential and directed him toward their alma mater for their fandom and personal financial gain.
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Let's be cautious about speculating. His filing is just an allegation. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the situation, Sean Tuohy didn't need Oher's money. He has plenty of money that he has made on his own.

Oher played 8 years with 3 different teams and signed roughly $62 million in NFL contracts (even though NFL ones aren't all guaranteed). His last contract with the Panthers was 3 years at $21.6 million ($9.5 million guaranteed), which was his best contract of his career. What I have listed are facts, and we will see what comes out of it.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Let's be cautious about speculating. His filing is just an allegation. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the situation, Sean Tuohy didn't need Oher's money. He has plenty of money that he has made on his own.

Oher played 8 years with 3 different teams and signed roughly $62 million in NFL contracts (even though NFL ones aren't all guaranteed). His last contract with the Panthers was 3 years at $21.6 million ($9.5 million guaranteed), which was his best contract of his career. What I have listed are facts, and we will see what comes out of it.
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While I agree that it is all allegations at this point, the “Sean tuohy didn’t need Oher’s money, he had plenty in his own” assertion doesn’t mean much. People with money don’t want more money?
 
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