Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[SoilVol]

Let's be cautious about speculating. His filing is just an allegation. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the situation, Sean Tuohy didn't need Oher's money. He has plenty of money that he has made on his own.

Oher played 8 years with 3 different teams and signed roughly $62 million in NFL contracts (even though NFL ones aren't all guaranteed). What I have listed are facts, and we will see what comes out of it.

Lol, so the implication you're making here is that the Tuohy's didn't take advantage of Michael Oher because they had plenty of money already? And why mention what Michael Oher made in the NFL as if that's relevant? It wouldn't matter if Michael Oher was richer than Elon Musk, it is morally and ethically right that he make money off the movie that depicts his life. It's also a fact that the depiction of Oher in the movie is inaccurate and had a negative impact on his life (his own words). Do you think Michael Oher is totally making this lawsuit up?

Lets reuse the logic, Michael Oher has made plenty of money on his own and he doesn't need the Tuohy's money from the movie (about him). Since he doesn't need the money, why is he suing them? Maybe for the reasons Oher and his lawyer listed in the lawsuit? They lied and took advantage of him and owe him money?

I guess lets see how the lawsuit plays out, but it's kinda weird to white knight for the Tuohy's without any actual evidence that they didn't do anything morally or ethically wrong against evidence they did.

 

[Ashevolle]

Teams passed on him or looked over him in free agency because they thought he was dumber than rocks.

You got anything to back this up? I've never heard this and doubt NFL teams are willing to supplant their own due diligence in such a laughably stupid way.

I thought he was hampered in free agency due to declining production and lack of pass protection skills.

That said, f#c% the Touhy's.

 

[VolGee4]

Lol, so the implication you're making here is that the Tuohy's didn't take advantage of Michael Oher because they had plenty of money already? And why mention what Michael Oher made in the NFL as if that's relevant? It wouldn't matter if Michael Oher was richer than Elon Musk, it is morally and ethically right that he make money off the movie that depicts his life. It's also a fact that the depiction of Oher in the movie is inaccurate and had a negative impact on his life (his own words). Do you think Michael Oher is totally making this lawsuit up?

Lets reuse the logic, Michael Oher has made plenty of money on his own and he doesn't need the Tuohy's money from the movie (about him). Since he doesn't need the money, why is he suing them? Maybe for the reasons Oher and his lawyer listed in the lawsuit? They lied and took advantage of him and owe him money?

I guess lets see how the lawsuit plays out, but it's kinda weird to white knight for the Tuohy's without any actual evidence that they didn't do anything morally or ethically wrong against evidence they did.

You are wildly speculating on allegations or things stated in a book. Sean Tuohy is worth millions on his own, and that is a fact.

I made mention of Oher's contracts because that can refute that he was "passed over" by teams. "His own words" don't necessarily make it true.

Just like you, I have no idea as to the actual facts. Maybe both actually helped each other along the way. Maybe Oher should have received some more. But, I am not speculating.

I am an attorney, and I will leave it at that.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Strange. It never occurred to him that he didn't make any money off a movie about him that netted over 300 million dollars?

Also, it is my understanding that all conservatorships must be court ordered. It should not be possible for the family to just swindle him without making an explicit case for why he needs one to a judge in a court.

Man, I bet that blindsided him.

"Sit down, son. We have something to tell you. You weren't adopted."

 

[VolGee4]

While I agree that it is all allegations at this point, the “Sean tuohy didn’t need Oher’s money, he had plenty in his own” assertion doesn’t mean much. People with money don’t want more money?

I was stating facts, unlike what others are suggesting. Just like you, I don't know the rest of the story. I was merely suggesting not to jump to conclusions based on a court filing.

I was actually at the TD Club dinner when Oher was awarded the high school player of the year, and Fulmer was the keynote speaker. I know why many on this board will automatically jump to conclusions because we missed on him. I, too, believe he really considered UT. But, this is all just not so simple. I will be done with the discussion.

 

[Dudley Smith]

It did occur to him, but it all happened early in his NFL career so he didn't have time to investigate the situation. He just recently hired a lawyer after he retired. The movie also hurt his pro career because they depicted him as stupid and slow, but he was/is actually very intelligent. He never had academic issues. Teams passed on him or looked over him in free agency because they thought he was dumber than rocks.

The Touhy's made millions off of him and lied to a foster kid about adopting him. They're sick people.

Literally the whole NCAA investigation during the movie: the investigators were right in that depiction. This rich family of Ole Miss boosters picked a kid up off the street that had athletic potential and directed him toward their alma mater for their fandom and personal financial gain.

The Touhy’s were clearly the villains of that movie because they steered Oher away from Coach Fulmer and Tennessee during his recruitment. Don’t overthink this.

 

[SoilVol]

Let's be cautious about speculating

It's not speculation that they lied about adopting him and instead got him to sign a conservatorship. The "adoption" narrative was portrayed in the movie and their books and revealed to be a conservatorship only this year when his lawyer found the paperwork. Unless they're totally lying in the lawsuit and they really did adopt him, which I find farfetched that an actual lawyer would make that up.

Thinking logically, why would they have him sign that instead of adoption papers? Its cheaper to adopt someone older than 18. In TN a conservatorship costs $3-4k and must approved by a judge. Adopting an adult costs less than $2k usually from what I can find. So it seems they may have spent more money to not adopt him. Being a conservator/guardian of estate gives them legal rights to make business and financial decisions on his behalf and his earnings. Adopting doesn't.

It will be interesting to see if they got any access to his NFL earnings as conservators and if it there was any shady "buddy" deals with the court to get the conservatorship approved. It's a messed up situation either way, and I don't see any scenario where the Tuohy's arent implicated in doing something morally or ethically wrong. Feel free to disagree.

 

[SoilVol]

You got anything to back this up? I've never heard this and doubt NFL teams are willing to supplant their own due diligence in such a laughably stupid way.

I thought he was hampered in free agency due to declining production and lack of pass protection skills.

That said, f#c% the Touhy's.

I was quoting the lawsuit.

 

[SergeantVol]

You are wildly speculating on allegations or things stated in a book. Sean Tuohy is worth millions on his own, and that is a fact.

I made mention of Oher's contracts because that can refute that he was "passed over" by teams. "His own words" don't necessarily make it true.

Just like you, I have no idea as to the actual facts. Maybe both actually helped each other along the way. Maybe Oher should have received some more. But, I am not speculating.

I am an attorney, and I will leave it at that.

OBJECTION! Insubordinate and churlish!

 

[SoilVol]

You are wildly speculating on allegations or things stated in a book. Sean Tuohy is worth millions on his own, and that is a fact.

I made mention of Oher's contracts because that can refute that he was "passed over" by teams. "His own words" don't necessarily make it true.

Just like you, I have no idea as to the actual facts. Maybe both actually helped each other along the way. Maybe Oher should have received some more. But, I am not speculating.

I am an attorney, and I will leave it at that.

I'm not really speculating as much as you say I am. I was repeating the statements made in the article/lawsuit.

Michael Oher making money in the NFL doesn't mean he wasn't passed over by teams. So no, that can't refute that notion. It also doesn't mean he made what he could have made if the movie hadn't been filmed. It's also possible (not saying it happened) that teams weren't willing to pay as much for him.

For being an attorney, you've made some logically flawed arguments. I'll leave it at that.

 

[05_never_again]

You are wildly speculating on allegations or things stated in a book. Sean Tuohy is worth millions on his own, and that is a fact.

I made mention of Oher's contracts because that can refute that he was "passed over" by teams. "His own words" don't necessarily make it true.

Just like you, I have no idea as to the actual facts. Maybe both actually helped each other along the way. Maybe Oher should have received some more. But, I am not speculating.

I am an attorney, and I will leave it at that.

It seems like the biggest thing that should be looked into at the time being is the alleged conservatorship. As @Ten_Titans said above, my understanding on those as well is that they have to be court-ordered. The Tuohys couldn't have simply placed him in one, or slid papers in front of him that he signed that placed him in one. Is that accurate?

 

[UTProf]

Should have signed with TN.

Oher signed a paper so the Tuohys could get paid in his name without the NCAA sniffing around. Of course, there was no adoption. That would've complicated an easy setup. The question is whether he's just mad because the movie made him look stupid or if he really did believe at one point that they were his family. I can see both sides of that - him being happy as a recruit to let these people be the cover for funneling the money and then hurt when he gets portrayed as a fool but also him genuinely trusting them and thinking they were just there for him (though I admit I have a harder time buying that one - Ole Miss people of that age range aren't known for taking in underprivileged unathletic black kids).

Regardless, I'm sure it's messier than any of that but anyone who follows recruiting (and especially now after everything with Freeze and OM is out in the open) knows the likelihood of it ever being just about good people taking in a good kid was a lie. Everyone was out for something. When it's Memphis and by god Mississippi interfering with things - it always ends with corruption and hurt.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

The Touhy’s were clearly the villains of that movie because they steered Oher away from Coach Fulmer and Tennessee during his recruitment. Don’t overthink this.

And Kathy Bates is from Memphis.

 

[05_never_again]

Oher signed a paper so the Tuohys could get paid in his name without the NCAA sniffing around. Of course, there was no adoption. That would've complicated an easy setup. The question is whether he's just mad because the movie made him look stupid or if he really did believe at one point that they were his family. I can see both sides of that - him being happy as a recruit to let these people be the cover for funneling the money and then hurt when he gets portrayed as a fool but also him genuinely trusting them and thinking they were just there for him (though I admit I have a harder time buying that one - Ole Miss people of that age range aren't known for taking in underprivileged unathletic black kids).

Regardless, I'm sure it's messier than any of that but anyone who follows recruiting (and especially now after everything with Freeze and OM is out in the open) knows the likelihood of it ever being just about good people taking in a good kid was a lie. Everyone was out for something. When it's Memphis and by god Mississippi interfering with things - it always ends with corruption and hurt.

I mean, I think he completely believed that. Why wouldn't he? That was how the Tuohys themselves held out their relationship with him publicly. They said they adopted him. Oher's been upset about the movie for a long time, basically ever since it came out.

 

[volinbama256]

Hard to imagine they won't be better, but I have a hard time seeing everything magically coming together for them. We've been waiting for that to happen since forever.

As for our matchup with them

We will be at home, coming off a bye and they will be coming off a game against Bama.

They obviously have a lot of talent hence their impressive recruiting lately.

Their QB is really talented, not sure about RB and their receivers are very good.

Solid on the line of scrimmage.

Just depends on how much of their old offense do they keep? Will Jimbo ruin the offense with his outdated hard headed nonsense?

I believe he and Petrino are splitting time calling plays... could be disastrous.

Interesting, thanks--- so we know what we have in front of us/what to prepare for with AL, GA, SC, KY, Mizz, FL-- TAMU looks to be the game I'll be most interested in since they could be good and we haven't played them in a while/regularly... Good thing is we do have them at home after they play bama, so that certainly goes in our favor...

 

[VolGee4]

I'm not really speculating as much as you say I am. I was repeating the statements made in the article/lawsuit.

Michael Oher making money in the NFL doesn't mean he wasn't passed over by teams. So no, that can't refute that notion. It also doesn't mean he made what he could have made if the movie hadn't been filmed. It's also possible (not saying it happened) that teams weren't willing to pay as much for him.

For being an attorney, you've made some logically flawed arguments. I'll leave it at that.

If all lawsuits/petitions contained the actual facts, there would be no controversies to settle.

I’ll take that slight and move on. I understand why UT fans are emotionally upset about the situation.

 

[VolGee4]

It seems like the biggest thing that should be looked into at the time being is the alleged conservatorship. As @Ten_Titans said above, my understanding on those as well is that they have to be court-ordered. The Tuohys couldn't have simply placed him in one, or slid papers in front of him that he signed that placed him in one. Is that accurate?

Not something that I do, but, a conservatorship is approved by a court.

 

[Devo182]

Takeaways from the release of the Preseason Associated Press Top 25 College Football Poll:


Who cares.

I think it's fun. And it also correlates fairly well to tiers where teams will finish...surprisingly well research shows (apparently CFB tends to be pretty predictable near the top...whodathought? )

We're friggin 12th...top-15 for only the 2nd time since Phil left. And #10 in Coaches Poll.

Dang impressive and exciting. We are back where we belong

 

[Vol423]

I was quoting the lawsuit.

So, no.

 

[Vol423]

I'm not really speculating as much as you say I am. I was repeating the statements made in the article/lawsuit.

Michael Oher making money in the NFL doesn't mean he wasn't passed over by teams. So no, that can't refute that notion. It also doesn't mean he made what he could have made if the movie hadn't been filmed. It's also possible (not saying it happened) that teams weren't willing to pay as much for him.

For being an attorney, you've made some logically flawed arguments. I'll leave it at that.

Who knew statements in a lawsuit were like statements made on the internet?

 

[UT = Checkmate]

https://atozsports.com/nashville/virginia-football-preparation-news-tennessee-vols/

Bet the house

 

[Devo182]

Pre-season poll is meaningless. They get some right and most wrong.

If we can roll in our first 5 games and head into that Texas A&M showdown we will be top 5.

Not meaningless at all. Better correlator than anything else - right beside Vegas. And yes I found this shocking myself.

But look how freakin high we are. More reasons to be happy with this program. Pretty amazing.

 

[Vol423]

I'm not really speculating as much as you say I am. I was repeating the statements made in the article/lawsuit.

Michael Oher making money in the NFL doesn't mean he wasn't passed over by teams. So no, that can't refute that notion. It also doesn't mean he made what he could have made if the movie hadn't been filmed. It's also possible (not saying it happened) that teams weren't willing to pay as much for him.

For being an attorney, you've made some logically flawed arguments. I'll leave it at that.

Your whole line of thought on this matter is flawed, and it's beyond obvious that you aren't an attorney.

 

[Devo182]

FSU, Clemson, and Texas certainly don't deserve to be as high as they are. LSU shouldn't be a top 5 team imo either.

Who are you replacing them with?

Is Washington a top 8 team? Notre Dame? Oregon or Utah? It's always easy to kick teams down...until you look down the list...

 

[Devo182]

Bama truly doesn’t have a QB and the media acts like it’s doesn’t matter at all.

To be fair, has it ever lol

They won titles with some truly mediocre QBs. Granted, I think the game has changed some too. But UGA did it 2 years running smh.

Ergo, Bama is only 4th...probably a low point for them