Recruiting Forum Football Talk VI

[drvenner]

Nah…**** that! The MLB Player’s Union under Don Fehr had an undefeated streak in any negotiations and were steadfastly against testing. That fueled open season with cheating. Owners knew it was pointless to fight so they rolled with the noise and the money…until Congress intervened. If the owners were as complicit in the farce, they wouldn’t have been so proactive and aggressive with drug testing and penalties when enabled. If the players could have cycled off with plenty of advance notice, it wouldn’t be a fact currently. The players can soak in their own urine that their union helped pour.

Donald Fehr is one of the biggest tools in history.

 

[drvenner]

I don’t really have a problem w the players who juiced because…. MLB. They were LOVING the home run publicity, knowing the guys were juiced the whole time but weren’t testing, then want to act indignant and start testing? Nah

Donald Fehr and the players union drove it

 

[butchna]

You’re probably right. I’m sure no UT football players ever juiced.
I do however agree with you and another poster. I hate it for Henry Aaron.

Not my claim that no UT player ever did the stuff. Mine is that neither Majors nor Fulmer signed off on it.

 

[pierce60]

Damn we need some football to start and fast…all this talk of snakes, baseball and Jessica Alba is for the birds haha

 

[drvenner]

How did the union get so powerful? Owners didn’t want to mess with their cash cow. You seriously going to try to play the owner integrity card???

There likely were some complicit owners. The union was very powerful and would not even discuss it

 

[drvenner]

He should be in the HoF.

Nope

 

[LaagerVol]

Not my claim that no UT player ever did the stuff. Mine is that neither Majors nor Fulmer signed off on it.

Nor turned a blind eye to it?

 

[drvenner]

200%

Nope

 

[butchna]

Sure I get that.

But WAR is an individual metric, a comparison against your peers (the average replacement player of your era).

Ted Williams didn’t play on the juggernaut teams Joe DiMaggio did, but his WAR is much higher.

It’s the best stat we have to compare individual accomplishments across time.

Yet it still didn't make Bonds better than Griffey to me. I remember those who thought Miguel Cabrera's Triple Crown didn't warrant a MVP because Trout had him on WAR.

 

[SCvol333]

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If Al Wilson was on our defense I would be way more optimistic. I’m optimistic but damn

 

[butchna]

Nor turned a blind eye to it?

That's right. Majors kicked off Reggie Cobb for marijuana use and Fulmer did the same to Onterrio Smith and another top RB whose name escapes. Roids way more serious.

 

[butchna]

Griffey was the much more likeable player, and person. Everyone has favorites. Nothing wrong with that.

More likeable and more talented.

 

[LaagerVol]

That's right. Majors kicked off Reggie Cobb for marijuana use and Fulmer did the same to Onterrio Smith and another top RB whose name escapes. Roids way more serious.

Bowing out, agree to disagree. Carry on.

 

[butchna]

I suppose I could have been more concise and said, "one can be convicted of 'conspiracy to commit bank robbery'"

Not going to search through all you morans' conviction files her at FBI HQ, so I'll just throw this out:

"A specific action someone plans or carries out does not have to be a crime itself to be considered part of a criminal conspiracy, it only need to play some role in an overall plan that will involve a crime. For example, buying ski masks is not a crime, but if they are being bought as part of a plan to rob a bank, the people buying the masks could still be charged with conspiracy to commit bank robbery.

The crime of conspiracy can be charged whether or not the plan is ever actually carried out, and whether or not the crime is ever committed. The offence depends on the agreement to commit specific actions as part of a plan that involves a crime, rather than any part of the plan actually being carried out.

So, if two people plan to rob a bank and they go to buy ski masks to wear during the robbery, they can be charged with conspiracy to commit bank robbery, even if they never actually rob the bank or even attempt to rob the bank."

Source:
What is criminal conspiracy

Your scenario wouldn't even draw a grand jury. Need more than optics to even INTIMATE a conspiracy...much less prove it.. When did you interject the SECOND GUY...he wasn't there earlier?

 

[butchna]

Bowing out, agree to disagree. Carry on.

 

[VolLisaLee]

Not a huge fan of Wannabe Pate

 

[knoxvol52]

Damn 2 for 2 on winning debates today bring on Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith...

 

[bigl3327]

Now that teams can pick up players through the transfer portal, I would think that adding JUCO players would not be highly desired. By adding transfer portal players, you get a player that has played football against a higher level of competition than a JUCO player, and he likely has proved that he can handle an academic workload and/or not be a behavioral problem, which are not always but often the reason players end up in a JUCO program.

The portal is still a crapshoot. You have to hope that there is what you need in the portal and you still have to land them with a very abbreviated recruitment. Then there's guaranteed to be a bidding war for the top portal entrants. JUCO is still a viable option to fill needs or depth. It also gives you more time for players to be fully vetted.

 

[Weezer]

Nope

 

[SCvol333]

And Barry Bonds was the only juiced ball player in MLB during his reign.

Good thing Arod was so good he didn’t need them. And the pitchers only did them “in recovery”. Only 1 guy. Great take by whoever the F it was you quoted. The whole league was juiced. He as just better juiced than everyone else was. As impressive as his juiced numbers was he was a 1st ballot HOF without it playing against all juiced players

 

[peaygolf]

Looks like I missed a bunch today….

All this ‘roid talk………

PSA:
Stop pushing so hard
Don’t stay in the pot so long
Increase water and fiber

hope this helps

 

[knoxvol52]

Damn we need some football to start and fast…all this talk of snakes, baseball and Jessica Alba is for the birds haha

Only football today Pittsburgh drilled Atlanta 24-0 and Colts lead Eagles 24-13 in 4th

 

[Weezer]

The portal is still a crapshoot. You have to hope that there is what you need in the portal and you still have to land them with a very abbreviated recruitment. Then there's guaranteed to be a bidding war for the top portal entrants. JUCO is still a viable option to fill needs or depth. It also gives you more time for players to be fully vetted.

And we don't do bidding wars.

 

[knoxvol52]

Looks like I missed a bunch today….

All this ‘roid talk………

PSA:
Stop pushing so hard
Don’t stay in the pot so long
Increase water and fiber

hope this helps

Favorite Golfers of all time Tom Watson for me weird huh...

 

[tnvols72]

If you have never heard Gen Neylands voice. Here you go